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Except Rand didn't keep his mouth shut. He said there were election irregularities that needed to be fixed. Swordy just wanted Rand to commit political suicide for a lost cause that Trump didn't even devote all of his post election fundraising for fighting. Oh I'm happy with the First Step Act, increased funding for HBCUs, and his reparations proposal (the Platinum Plan) had promise. I'm happy he didn't start a new war. Not happy with his proposing red flags laws or doing gun control by executive order. Not happy about grabbing the Syrian oil. Not happy with siding with Israel's interests by scuttling the Iran nuke deal.

The white man who killed 2 blacks and 2 Hispanics at the Waffle House in Nashville never even went to trial because he was deemed mentally unfit. The law did what it was supposed to do in that case which is to protect the mentally unfit. In this case the law is meant to protect minors from the full effect of their stupid actions. I doubt if these had been white kids and the victim black (as opposed to brown as was in this case) that the results would have been any different. Contrary to the false narrative being put out by some "conservatives", these teens are most likely going to be incarcerated for years. They just won't be incarcerated in an adult facility. And that's what typically happens to white kids, even those who plead guilty to mass shootings.

True. But I've found the same story on multiple sources. Here's Fox News: https://video.foxnews.com/v/6247078598001#sp=show-clips Interestingly enough, Benard Kerick points out on Fox that the 13 y/o couldn't be charged as an adult but the 15 y/o could have been. The Fox News commentator makes a big deal out of the "no prison time" aspect. I'm not sure how many of these media talking heads have actually visited a juvenile detention facility. And I don't know what the DC juvenile detention facilities are like. But in Tennessee a juvenile offender could end up somewhere like....

I just researched this case and found The Washington Examiner got the story wrong! These girls will be involuntarily committed up to the age of 21. This who thread is based on bad reporting. Here are the actual facts of the deal. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437615/Two-teenage-girls-accused-car-jacking-killing-Uber-Eats-driver-reach-plea-deal.html Two teen girls accused of car-jacking and killing Uber Eats driver in D.C. 'reach plea deal ensuring they'll not be held past age of 21 or go to prison' Two girls, ages 13 and 15, who were charged with the murder and carjacking of a Mohammad Anwar, 66, in DC , have reportedly reached a plea deal On Monday, the teens are said to have reached the deal with prosecutors that would ensure they won't be held past age of 21 nor be placed in a prison facility Anwar died when police said the girls, armed with a taser, sped off in his car as he clung to the driver's side with the door open and crashed seconds later

Edit: This whole thread is based on a false narrative. The OP article got the plea deal wrong. The girls, since they are charged as juveniles, face involuntary commitment at a juvenile facility up to the age of 21.

I was pointing out that 18 is the magic number. The white street racer who got hard time at 18 is in the same category as the black woman street racer who is facing hard time as both are over 18. If Matt Gaetz did get with a 17 year old he as under the magic number. That said, apparently his buddy, that took $900 from Matt and distributed to 3 different women under dubious circumstances, has pleaded to trafficking of a woman under 18. Same woman? Seems quite possible at this point.

LOL. I will say this and leave it. I typically see food trucks parked outside the "no campaign materials past this point" limit at voting time and they give away free fish plates and BBQ. I've picked up a plate from time to time. It had no effect on my vote. I'm sorry, but I just don't see the case that somehow my vote could be swayed it I got a bottle of water closer to the voting booth. As long as nobody is in the booth with me they don't know what my vote is. But maybe I'm just special.

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LOL. Did you get ripped off donating to Trump's post election fight too? Did you read the fine print first?

So now they've gone from censoring former elected officials to censoring current elected officials.

LOL. Trump ultimately acquiesced to his loss after bilking his gullible followers to donate when the fine print made it clear that only some of the funds would go to a post election fight.

And both sides cater to corporate donors and defense contractors. And republicans cater to police unions. And the bribes go the other way through corporate and union donations and lobbyists.

Actually, reading this again, what you described would be patently illegal! 1884 "(e) This Code section shall not be construed to prohibit a poll officer from distributing 1885 materials, as required by law, which are necessary for the purpose of instructing electors 1886 or from distributing materials prepared by the Secretary of State which are designed solely 1887 for the purpose of encouraging voter participation in the election being conducted or from 1888 making available self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in 1889 line to vote." Boy Scouts are not "poll workers." So, why should only "poll workers" be allowed to provide water within 149 feet of a poling place? Note that the way the law is written, even a poll worker can't hand a bottle of water to someone. He or she can hand you a pen or pencil or a ballot or an "I voted" sticker. But, for some yet to be explained reason, if someone hands you a bottle of water, rather than letting you pick it up yourself, that somehow places the validity of the election in jeopardy? Seriously? And if the poll workers at a particular location neglect to provide for the water needs of people who may be waiting in line for a couple of hours by putting water in an "unattended receptacle" and some well wisher decides to help solve the problem....well that's somehow an election violation? Somehow that's a "bribe?"

When you said "ICE vehicles" I immediately thought "Immigration and Customs Enforcement" and was like "What does immigration have to do with this story?" Then I realized you ICE in this context is "internal combustion engine." And yeah....I see the connection...but only because in the video they are using a Tesla to drive in the tunnel. But, someone correct me if I'm wrong here, ICE vehicles would still be allowed in the tunnel right? But yeah...they are trying to sell this as environmentally friendly. I wonder what was the carbon footprint it took to put a Tesla Roadster into orbit?

The definition of a bribe is something that you pay in exchange for something else. So please explain how handing someone a bottle of water 149 feet away from a polling place in any way constitutes a bribe. I already answered the "how can this be construed as racism" question. I'll happily answer it again, once you explain your "a bottle of water = a bribe even when nothing has been exchanged and the vote is still secret" rationale.

At 5:15 MG: I can say that about two years ago you and I went to dinner about two years ago. Your wife was there. I brought a friend of mine, you will remember her. And she was actually threatened by the FBI. Told that if she wouldn't cop to the fact that somehow I was involved in some "pay for play" scheme that she could face trouble. And so I do believe there are people at the DOJ who are trying to smear me. Providing for flights and hotel rooms for people that you are dating that are of legal age is not a crime. TC: I don't know this woman of whom who speak. LOL

Wow https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-rep-matt-gaetz-reveals-he-lives-with-a-19-year-old-cuban-immigrant-whom-he-calls-his-son/ar-BB15GkOF

Okay. So your reasoning for why one of those Boy Scouts handing a bottle of water to someone 149 feet away from a poll being a problem is what exactly? I thought the "liberty" crowd was against laws that served no actual purpose.

So in your mind....if a Boy Scout troop decides to pass out water to people waiting in line for hours at a polling station, that's somehow "voter corruption?" Seriously? Hey...we gotta have the taxpayers do it because it private people do it then it MUST be corrupt. Ummm....okay. Sorry but I don't buy that. What appears racist is a stupid law that doesn't address ANY issue actually brou$ght up in the past campaign but might negatively affect people for no apparent reason. "Oh those republicans are just mad because so many black people in Georgia voted so they want to suppress the vote." That's the narrative. And stupid, pointless laws, like prohibiting ANYBODY who isn't a "gubmint official" from giving some old lady in line a bottle of water project the appearance of voter suppression. So does cutting down on the amount of days for early voting or the time window for getting an absentee ballot. Yes we want there to be integrity in the elections. We want to make sure nobody is taking votes out of unsecure absentee drop boxes or vote harvesting or filling out an absentee ballot on behalf of someone else who might not have even applied for one. Or...corrupt voting machines. Address the actual problems that were brought up instead of inventing problems to address. Edit: But prove me wrong. Find me one story from 2020 where anybody claimed votes were swayed by bottles of water being passed out to people waiting in line. Edit 2: And let's look at this logically. If I'm in line and you hand me a box of ammo or a $200 pair of sneakers to vote for candidate X...how exactly are you going to make sure I vote for candidate X? This Georgia law does not abolish absentee voting. If people really want to bribe people for votes then this law does nothing to stop that because the only way I can know who you voted for is if you absentee vote and I watch you fill the ballot out. Since your home is likely more than 150 feet away from a polling place, even under this law I can give you all of the bottles of water, whiskey or wine I want to watch you bubble in my favorite candidate. So.....?

So if Rand wins by a similar or better margin, what will that do to your theory Swordsmyth?

A) I didn't say it was racist, I said it was put in to APPEAR racist. B) I read the actual law. It does prohibit the distribution of "food or drink" within 150 feet of the polling place. See: https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/04/Georgia-election-law-SB-202.pdf lines 1868 - 1899. C) The question to ask yourself is....why? What does that actually help? Do you REALLY think that is someone who is not an official poll worker hands someone a bottle of water inside a polling place that somehow that will sway someone's vote? Seriously? And so if I hand someone a full chicken sandwich and lemonade at 151 feet away from the polling place that doesn't affect their vote, but magically at 149 feet a bottle of water does? D) The "Well other states have that so it must be okay" argument doesn't fly with me. Some states have red flag laws too.

I would put them in an alternative school until they turned 18. Possibly a boarding school, especially if their home life is screwed up. I've have tried over the years to help troubled youths. The first set had a decent mom, but the middle school they went to was HORRIBLE! Seriously the black female principal over the school hated black boys. And the entire school was overrun by gangs. One of the boys had gotten suspended and I asked his mom why she wasn't having him keep up with his work. She said the school wouldn't let him take his books home. I thought "You just don't know how to ask right" and since I had a degree I thought I knew better. The male vice principal, an African, was happy I was "taking an interest in the young man" and gave me the books. I was almost out the door when the witch ran into me. She was all "You don't know him! He's a thug and just wants to be a thug and will always be a thug." He had NOT been any problem before going to her school! Needless to say she didn't let me take the books home. Later he got suspended again and put into an alternative school. HE STARTED MAKING STRAIGHT A'S! He was away from the witch principal and his gang friends. I was like LEAVE HIM THERE! Instead he got put back in the evil woman's school, and later ended up in real trouble with the law. He's doing okay now. More recently, I had some homeless kids staying with me. ALL of their parents were pretty much worthless. Well...one of the dads I think was decent. The moms were worthless. One mother stole from her own daughter. I kept them out of trouble as best I could, making them return items they shoplifted for example. Eventually I helped them find other places to stay, find jobs, and made sure they kept up with their distance learning. (Much of this was during COVID). Sadly one of the young men got caught up in a carjacking ring. Thankfully nobody got killed. He's now at a military style boarding school. Hopefully he will remain there until he graduates and he'll learn a marketable skill. And why was he carjacking? To get cash to repay his brother for a cell phone and help his girlfriend with rent. A contractor had been depending on him to do work and would have given him a cash advance if he had asked. And his brother could have waited on the money. But these kids have grown up with almost NO guidance. It's sad really. But it's a fixable problem.

I'm surprised nobody has posted this.

Some have been released on bail. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-capitol-arrests/judge-rules-against-u-s-grants-bail-to-oath-keeper-charged-in-capitol-riot-idUSKBN2B02AR And Kyle Rittenhouse is out on bond. Must be some "fat boy privilege" going on here.

Great idea! Great idea! NOT a great idea!

I have a different theory on the Georgia voting law. There is no valid reason to put things in the law like blocking the distribution of water. I think the GOP put that in there to MAKE the law look racist. Look at what did NOT get addressed which is the voting machines. Georgia voting machines were scrubbed in 2017 after they were believed to have helped republicans. https://apnews.com/article/877ee1015f1c43f1965f63538b035d3f Then again in 2020 after they were believed to help Biden beat Trump. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/30/judge-freezes-voting-machines-georgia-counties-441342 The same republicans were in charge both times. So they threw their base some red meat (no pun intended). They passed a law with some sensible things in it (ID verification of absentee ballots and limiting absentee ballot collection boxes), and put in some nonsense (the water ban) and never addressed issues that pointed back at themselves.

Okay. Still an adult. I'm sure you understand the huge difference between 14 and 18. Matt Goetz apparently does not. So....let me see if I understand. You think there is some equivalence between the premeditated murder of children and a carjacking gone bad? I keep seeing people put "accident" in quotes. That's bvllshyt. The death of the driver was an accident. The carjacking was premeditated but the girls didn't intend to kill anyone. They weren't sociopaths. Involuntary confinement of minors is based on the need to protect the minors and society. Do you really think you are in as much danger from stupid carjackers as you are from someone who sets up a kill zone for other children? Seriously?

Asking for more money is never stupid. Now the person who actually gives the money on the other hand.....

Ummmmm...Captain Obvious says street racer was 24 and taser car jackers were 13 and 14! Maybe some of y'all are too young to remember the two white kids that did the mass school shooting in Arkansas and were both due to be released when they turned 21? We're talking premeditated murder. (No. A carjacking gone bad is not premeditated murder, though it can be charged as felony murder.) But they didn't make a mistake. They planned out out the murders of their classmates and teachers in advance. See: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/a-school-shooting-in-jonesboro-arkansas-kills-five If you want to compare apples to apples, black adult street racer who accidentally killed someone versus white adult street racer who accidentally killed someone, consider the case of Carmesia Flanagan. And yes, she was charged with murder.