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    Yesterday, 02:58 PM
    Go back and reread those posts. You brought up the Luke 22 passage, though you didn't cite the reference, and that was the passage I was talking about. Luke is not the only Gospel to relate the account of a disciple using the sword at that incident. But it is the one we were discussing.
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    Yesterday, 02:56 PM
    You clearly do. Then you should likewise leave others alone the same way you want to be left alone. Notice how you say "threaten." Immigration and non-assimilation in themselves don't violate anyone's rights. And not all who immigrate without assimilating to whatever it is you want the government to require them to assimilate to (somehow all without ruling over them?) do the things you mean by excess crime. But you want to preempt future violations of rights by stopping people from doing acts that in themselves aren't violations of rights as some kind of pre-crime enforcement. This is to do what Jesus told his followers not to do in Matthew 20:25-26.
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    Yesterday, 02:55 PM
    It was not metaphorical. It was very literal and real, and the original audience of those words took them very seriously, and did follow him in suffering much persecution, including in some cases the death penalty. Yes. And one purpose was to show us what he meant by, "take up your cross and follow me." Jesus also shows us the means by which we are to do that, and those by which we are not. Using the sword to rule over others so as to prevent future crimes by those we suspect will one day commit them is not his way.
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    Yesterday, 02:48 PM
    You're mixing up two totally different passages. The sword one we were talking about is in Luke 22.
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    Yesterday, 02:47 PM
    It's not me demanding that. Jesus demanded that his disciples take up their crosses and follow him. Ironically, Jesus proved that this didn't doom him, and won't doom mankind either, but is really the path to victory, not defeat.
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    Yesterday, 02:46 PM
    I don't support any action of theirs or anyone else's that deprives anyone else of any rights, properly defined.
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    Yesterday, 02:43 PM
    He didn't say that either. And his sacrifice isn't an anomaly that diverges from the kind of life he calls his disciples to live. It's a pattern he calls us to follow.
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    Yesterday, 02:42 PM
    You've said that before, and my response is still the same. Do you call Jesus that same name? He actually went to his death following this way of life.
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    Yesterday, 02:40 PM
    That's not what he said. And in fact, in the following verses that you disregarded they asked if they should use them for that purpose, and he said no. Yes it is, provided "rights" are defined according to God's law, which is why I refuse to support depriving people of their rights.
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    Yesterday, 02:37 PM
    That's a strange argument. Yes, there are many references to all kinds of sin as well. But what's the takeaway from those passages? It's not that sin exists, so we ought to sin. One important reference to nations is Jesus commanding his disciples to repudiate the methods of the rulers of the nations to rule over others. I don't wish for one. But Jesus calls his followers to follow the approach he took in dealing with that Empire.
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    Yesterday, 02:33 PM
    Wait. Are you suggesting that he said that people should buy swords to use them to stop people from immigrating? That's just weird. In fact, he positively prohibited his disciples from using the sword to rule over others like the rulers of the nations do. And notice that the passage to which you're referring doesn't end with that verse, but it goes on to relate how his disciples responded to him by taking up swords and bringing them along when he was arrested, at which point they asked if they should use them in defense of him (with one of them cutting off a soldier's ear), and he prohibited them from doing so. This context should always be kept in mind when citing that verse.
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    Yesterday, 02:21 PM
    What's the reference for the nations with weak borders passage of the Bible that you're talking about? I think it's clear that pretty much everything you've said on this issue is the diametric opposite of what Jesus taught. I don't see how you can even dispute that.
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    Yesterday, 02:19 PM
    The Fox News/MAGA crowd definitely does exist on this forum. You're right about non-interventionism not being important to them though.
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    Yesterday, 02:10 PM
    Or I could be a Christian, which is what I already am. Do you think Jesus should have done all those things you said too?
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    Yesterday, 12:52 PM
    It isn't. My first goal isn't to better my own lot by any means necessary, even if it means doing wrong to someone else. My first goal is to not wrong someone else, even if I think I could improve my lot by wronging them. While I disagree with your prescription as a means of attaining that goal anyway, and think that allowing other people to do what they want as long as they aren't violating others' rights would end up benefiting me too in the end, that isn't my main goal.
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    Yesterday, 08:23 AM
    The solution is simple. Trump has said that he wants to increase legal immigration. He should just do that. Whatever amount of time these visitors want to stay here, give them visas that allow them to do that. Then there won't be any overstaying their visas. Similarly, there is a disincentive for them to leave the USA to return to their home countries, since they lack confidence that they'll be able to get another visa to come back here again, so rather than risk that, they just stay here. But if they had confidence that they'd be able to leave and reenter with ease, and have no trouble getting another visa if needed, then more of them would leave periodically and do that. This is a classic case of government banning something and just pushing it into a black market with unintended consequences.
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    04-16-2019, 07:20 PM
    They will call it a head fake. And they will think it's brilliant.
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    04-16-2019, 05:55 PM
    Just like many "rightist" celebrate killing millions in the ME.
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    04-16-2019, 05:54 PM
    Look, Mr Hater- I am repeating words from a FRIEND who has been on the scene.
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    04-16-2019, 05:10 PM
    No one is sure yet- suspicions of electric problem.
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    04-16-2019, 05:08 PM
    https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2019/04/270757/rhone-mosque-council-president-muslims-notre-dame/ QUOTE]Rabat – The president of the Council of Mosques of the Rhone, Kamel Kabtane, called on French Muslims to “stand in solidarity with their country” following the devastating fire at Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris. Kabtane, who is also a leader at the Grand Mosque of Lyon, spoke on Tuesday about the tragic event, promising his support to any future rebuilding efforts and calling all Muslims in France to do the same. “We call on Muslims in France to show their solidarity by actively participating in the national solidarity campaign that will be launched to find ways to rebuild this place of history of our country and this place of prayer so dear to our Christian brothers.”
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    04-16-2019, 04:45 PM
    Have a French friend in Paris right now, who's been reporting hourly. The fire's out, most artifacts were saved, & this was not a terrorist or lone perp attack. And all of France is joining in mourning this tragedy & helping with the restoration.
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    04-15-2019, 08:47 PM
    Who's this "we" in the thread title?
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    04-15-2019, 04:28 PM
    If the Trump supporters who frequent this website are representative, then Eric is wrong about this.
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    04-15-2019, 02:51 PM
    You have no right to demand that they get your permission except when it comes to your property.
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    04-15-2019, 12:48 PM
    When MAGA does it, it's not fake news, it's a head fake.
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