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    Today, 03:45 AM
    Looks about the same to me Anecdotally, both experienced war socialism during both world wars, and New Deal type socialism in the interwar period. As for the present, I showed you the various economic freedom indices recently, and the US is actually a bit behind.
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    Today, 03:37 AM
    Well, that's progress, but I'll just say again: Free will by definition doesn't determine behavior; it can't be a cause of behavior. The fact that I'm free to choose Coke or Pepsi cannot explain why I choose Coke. As for randomness, that's not an explanation but the absence of one. If I say the outcome of the coin flip is random, that doesn't mean it lacks a cause, that means I have no idea what the cause is. The only explanations for human behavior are environmental or genetic (and I know you don't buy the genetic explanation, as I don't). It's funny, Mexicans (and Hispanics in general) would be a natural GOP constituency if the GOP weren't so hostile to them. The GOP's social agenda fits nicely with their culture (their real culture, which isn't about bribe-taking and decapitating people...:rolleyes:).
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    Today, 03:20 AM
    The point is that choices aren't made in a vacuum. Behavior isn't random. It's a product of environment. So that's a no...
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    Today, 03:16 AM
    In the 19th century, European immigrants voted better than natives (immigrants voted for the Jeffersonian Democrats, natives for the Hamiltonian Republicans). In the 20th century, after the Democrat Party was taken over by statists, the ethnic trends continued, though their was now little difference between the parties. Wilson's opponent in 1912 was Teddy Roosevelt (an equally socialistic person who also happened to be a psychopath), while FDR's opponent in 1932 was Hoover (who really created the New Deal, Roosevelt just expanded it). Goldwater in 1964 was certainly better than LBJ, but, then again, he lost by a gigantic margin altogether (obviously lacked support among WASPs too). There's no reason to think that European immigrants were especially predisposed to socialism. Same as here (though in neither case is it a function of "culture")
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    Today, 03:09 AM
    I take it you don't see the trick here, eh? This passage is WIDE OPEN to interpretation. It could mean almost anything. "Holy spirit", to my meager knowledge is defined nowhere in the bible - certainly not in a way that would meet even the lowest standards of rigor. So even if we accept it as true, it still tells you nothing beyond that which is vague. No big sin there, mind you, but a point of which any man should be keenly aware. Now consider that "the Spirit teaches you". This speaks in strong accord with my own beliefs about God having given us everything we need to live the life of man with propriety, grace, and joy. Witness how any ten men placed together in a room will hold at least eleven interpretations of a given passage. GuaRONtee. Therefore, that passage means different things to different people. The passage says the Holy Spirit will not lead you astray. Therefore, the widely differing interpretations are all valid, including the ones that say "this is gibberish to me". This all underscores my view that the bible is only one avenue to understanding and that it is not for all people, such as myself. It also illustrates the tricky, dare I say devilish, nature of linguistic communication. And this is why people need to tread lightly where such subjects are concerned. What blossoms with resonance and meaning for some, falls dead for others, yet it is all valid because the Holy Spirit guides each man in his own way toward truth fit to his needs. They may be different from those suited to others. If folks got this clue and accepted it, we would not have crazy people in the middle east, for example, running about sawing the heads off of those with whom they disagree.
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    Today, 02:39 AM
    So your position is that European immigrants are also culturally defective, or...?
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    Today, 02:34 AM
    Somehow I found that explanation less than compelling... Among the many problems with that scenario, do you have any evidence that Mexican immigrants cost more in policing than they pay in taxes?
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    Today, 02:10 AM
    No comprendo How does free will (which presumably both peoples enjoy) explain the difference in their behavior...? Again, not following... 1. Poor Mexican arrives in the US. 2. ...?
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    Today, 02:05 AM
    The mind reels at the possibilities. WV could be at the tip of a very pointy spear. I cannot imagine this being enacted - I dare not hope. Oh who am I kidding... I hope, I hope, I hope... I now know what to wish for come my pending birthday on 2/1. WOOHOO... :)
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    Today, 01:51 AM
    But the question is why there is this difference across countries (or individuals within a country, for that matter). There are only two possible explanations: environmental and genetic. There's a very strong correlation between wealth and corruption. https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016
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    Today, 01:29 AM
    Well, if the problem is environmental, your anti-immigration argument makes no sense. But, alright, carry on...
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 01:29 AM
    It would seem so, at least to my normative eyes. I agree with this. But hiding is futile because God is everywhere and everything. Unlike so many, I do not distinguish between God and the rest. It is all one, I suspect, even if I cannot prove it. When I look at a scrap of paper, I see God. Glass of water, God. Dog turd on a NYC sidewalk, God - and I mean no offense in that.
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    Today, 01:27 AM
    Those are fine orange hairs you're splitting...
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  • osan's Avatar
    Today, 01:23 AM
    Good question. Point taken. Am I mistaken in my belief that this is, as yet, unprecedented? Another good point. Besides, what can the feds do, refuse to give back the highway monies they stole from the people of the state? I guess my suspicion would be that the feds would at least attempt to take the governor by force on a federal warrant to charge him with some federal crime. Perhaps legislators and anyone down the food chain deemed complicit. That, of course, would be a very risky gambit, holding such people hostage in trade for fed agents. Where, pray tell, could that lead other than to ultimate disaster in terms of long term relations? In the end, the feds would have to back down for the sake of attrition because I am confident such a state would take very careful and effective measures to protect their own. Armed guards with standing orders to shoot to kill if a federal agent so much as approached a protectee in the wake of a standing disagreement of this sort. There are more of us than there are of them. In addition, a smart state would extend such authority to every man, woman, and child. If you see a fed attempting to take your mayor (or whatever) into custody, put one between their eyes and you will stand immune from prosecution. The bottom line is that such an approach by the feds would lead to their destruction.
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    Today, 01:23 AM
    If you're not arguing for an environmental cause, you're arguing for a genetic cause...? The Mexican state didn't wake up one day and say "You know what, we don't want our agents to actually carry out our policies, we want them to be corrupt, so let's pay them as little as possible so that they have to extort bribes to pay the rent." The Mexican state pays little because it has little to pay, because Mexico is poor. It's the same the world over (it was also the case historically in now wealthy countries); the poorer the country, the closer to subsistence the pay for state employees, the more bribery. As a country develop and the state has more resources, it increases pay (and improves discipline, which oversight also costs); this happened in the now developed world and it'll eventually happen in the third world. It has nothing to do with culture. It's people responding to their environment on the basis of rational self-interest.
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    Today, 12:59 AM
    My point is that it sounds like you're identifying the bad outcome with the bad culture. That's not really an explanation, is it? It's like saying that the cause of Americans watching too much TV is that they like to watch too much TV. Why is bribery rampant, do you think? How did that come into being? ...hint: who do you think is more likely to accept a bribe, the well or the poorly paid official?
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    Today, 12:52 AM
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    Today, 12:40 AM
    But doesn't the appeals chain ultimately lead to SCOTUS?
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    Today, 12:39 AM
    What is the evidence for the existence of this bad culture, and what brought it about?
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    Today, 12:38 AM
    Every man that has ever lived has been a man of faith, even those who streadfastly and stridently claim otherwise. It is in our nature to be faith-driven. We have little choice, save to die. We are what we are, separate in some sense from that without from us. The interface between within and without is made up of our senses. We see, touch, smell, hear, and taste the world around us and through those intermediaries do we come to know the world. We have faith in our senses. Were it not so, we would become paralyzed in an inability to act because we would never know whether we were doing right. So in this respect, atheists are amusingly full of shit. It is clear to me that they have not considered their positions with any diligence or capacity. I also find the common chest-pounding style of communication droll and ultimately boring. They remind me of Serbs. :) Decent and worthy sentiments for which your goodness should be acknowledged. Consider it so.
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    Today, 12:28 AM
    But who is to say that THEY know what they mean? If one is going to trust God, then go all the way and don't just put in the "tip". :) What I mean is this: God will speak to you if you are willing to quiet yourself and listen. I believe this strongly. I do not believe you need a bible to do this, though for some I suppose it is helpful - to each man, his path to the light. That route has never worked for me. But contrary to what most people seem to believe (always despised that John Dunne quote "No man is an island, entire to himself..." BLAH BLAH BLAH... reminds me of the tripe from that shriveled old black witch Maya Angelou... "it takes an entire village to raise a child" - such obvious bullshit) I believe God has born into every man all that he needs to go through life with success. That doesn't perforce mean living in a vacuum, mind you, but that in the company of one's fellows, there is no hidden knowledge of such fundamental import that cannot be discovered by any man through the sheer force of will to discover it with open eyes and a quiet heart. THAT is what makes God great and kind. He gave us what we need in our DNA, so to speak. We don't need bibles or qur'ans or vedas or zend avestas, etc. to grasp the innermost knowledge necessary leading the lives of good men. They may be nice additions for some, but they are not essential by any means. And for poor, dumb bastards such as myself, they actually get mostly in the way of understanding because they inject incomprehensible noise into the thought stream. Mysterious ways, indeed.
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  • r3volution 3.0's Avatar
    Today, 12:24 AM
    And you think this is because they're lacking in moral fiber, do you?
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    Today, 12:20 AM
    There's never a shortage of people willing to commit crimes for money. Wherever prohibition exists, this gang problem exists. The only reason it's worse in Mexico is that the Mexican state is weaker, so the cartels have been able to grow larger.
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    Today, 12:16 AM
    Funny you should mention those... I haven't rejected them out of hand. I read them and found most of it of no use to me. That which spoke to me, I have retained. I don't buy the angry God narrative. When I was 17 I did my first trip. While I am no advocate of such things, it is up to each man to choose for himself and for me it was a Godsend because it was on that cold December evening that God spoke to me. No, not like the burning bush, but far more deeply. I saw how God smiles and laughs and I needed that more than perhaps even getting laid. I think it literally saved my life. The pissy-old drunk model of God is FAIL that arises from those who do not know how to read well or listen to what their senses tell them. I pity such people, for as noisy as my head tends to be, I suspect theirs are far worse.
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    Today, 12:06 AM
    That's why there are drug cartels murdering people for drug profits? ...it doesn't have to do with, O, I don't know, drug prohibition?
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    Today, 12:02 AM
    I don't know why you're arguing that draft dodging can be justified, as I never said anything to the contrary. Once again, the problem with Trump's draft dodging is the hypocrisy of it.
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    Today, 12:01 AM
    Ah, yes, thanks for the tip... ...and I don't, that being my point.
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