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    Today, 09:04 AM
    The following scientific looking paper is interesting, but I don’t agree with the conclusion that “The results showed a positive association between COVID-19 deaths and IVR (influenza vaccination rate) of people ≥65 years-old”. In reality it shows that countries with a higher “influenza vaccination rate (IVR) (%) of people aged 65 and older” on average had more “COVID-19 deaths per million inhabitants (DPMI)”. This is more of an association between the regimes and docility of its (elder) population than about the effects of the flu vaccines… Christian Wehenkel – “Positive association between COVID-19 deaths and influenza vaccination rates in elderly people worldwide” (1​ October 2020): https://peerj.com/articles/10112/ (https://archive.is/3EmE8)
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    Yesterday, 10:19 AM
    Feeding America, a network of 60,000 U.S. food shelters, estimates that more than 54 million Americans won’t be able to buy food because of the coronavirus lockdown, with the biggest increases in food insecurity in North Dakota, Minnesota and Wisconsin. Most of the record amount of farm aid has gone to big farms over small-scale farmers or food for workers. Some argue that this could make President Donald lose the coming presidential election in the Midwest of the USA (but I don’t believe that Biden has a chance): https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-rural-hunger/food-workers-rural-americans-go-hungry-despite-u-s-government-farm-aid-idUSKBN27C1IM The IMF is always ready to “help” countries into destruction… The IMF has now “warned” (or should we say “boasted”) that the poor countries of the world are heading for a catastrophe because of the economic disaster, caused by the draconic COVID-19 measures. I’m surprised that the “petro-dollar” (with lower oil prices) has increased in value because it is considered a “safe haven”.
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    Yesterday, 09:53 AM
    I think that we agree that the best way to deal with trolls, is to simply ignore them. In my opinion, “Mr. Patriot Act” Michael Chertoff is the most interesting of the Patriot Act. Amongst others George Soros and Michael Chertoff profit from the naked body scanners used by the TSA … Soros and Chertoff are profiting by way of the company Rapiscan, whose contract is worth $173 million. George Soros owned 11,300 shares of OSI Systems, Inc., the company that owns Rapiscan; after The Examiner reported that Soros owned the OSI Systems shares, he quickly sold his shares in the company: https://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1156#p4356 Jeffrey Epstein was bankrolling software for critical electronic infrastructure in the US and abroad from a company with deep connections to Israeli military intelligence, Trump associates and Mega. In 2015, Ehud Barak and Epstein formed a company, now called Carbyne, to invest in the Israel-based Reporty that sells its software to 911 call centres and emergency service providers with access to a caller’s camera, location and checks the caller’s identity against any linked government database. It has been marketed as a “solution” to mass shootings.
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    10-27-2020, 10:23 AM
    Not very surprisingly, NATO member Lithuania, backs the attack on Belarus president Lukashenko, “by providing visas, housing and financial support to opposition figures; promoting Belarusian activists in Lithuanian universities, including awarding educational scholarships at the expense of the Lithuanian Ministry of Education, Science and Sports; simplified employment in the Lithuanian labor market; and, free medical services”. Maybe the plan really is to drive Lukashenko into the claws of Vladimir Putin: https://www.globalresearch.ca/lithuanian-government-impoverishes-own-citizens-try-topple-lukashenko/5727563 The protests in Belarus appear to be orchestrated from Poland (ultimately following orders from Washington and London). Lithuania is also part of the Polish President Andrzej Duda proposed “Three Seas Initiative” (for the Baltic, Adriatic and Black Seas) that includes Poland, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, and Slovenia. Its second meeting in Warsaw, Poland in July 2017 was attended by US President Donald Trump on his way to the Hamburg G20 Summit: http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO6Dec2017.php
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    10-27-2020, 09:08 AM
    A strong case can be made that the implementation of the Patriot act had already started on 13 February 2001 with the bill to implement NSDP-1 (passed by congress March 13). The objective of NSDP-1 is instigating the National Security Council (NSC), which will provide for: “National security includes the defense of the United States of America, protection of our constitutional system of government, and the advancement of United States interests around the globe”: http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/ Then after 9/11 bills were proposed at a tremendous speed (leading to the Patriot Act), starting on 13 September 2001… The first was the Combating Terrorism Act of 2001 on September 13 (5 pages). The first draft of the Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 was presented on September 19 (8 and 25 pages) Then Public Safety and Cyber Security Enhancement Act was introduced on September 20 (9 pages). The Intelligence to Prevent Terrorism Act was introduced on September 28 (19 pages). The Financial Anti-Terrorism Act was submitted on October 3 (126 pages).
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    10-26-2020, 10:23 AM
    Not only in the UK and US the army is used for this state of corona martial law. On 21 October 2020, it was reported that Germany will deploy NATO soldiers for possible COVID-19 “crisis missions” in other NATO countries. In some European countries, people are protesting against the coronavirus lockdown, including Germany, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Spain. Civil unrest is also boiling in fascist France, with curfews, being outside is permitted only with special permits and a ban on weddings. Switzerland has already extended her COVID-19 Emergency Law until the end of 2021: https://www.globalresearch.ca/democracy-vs-covid-no-go/5727457
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    10-26-2020, 09:39 AM
    It has happened over and over again that after I post information on the internet, articles with similar keywords are published (to bury them in the search results). Recently the following story was published that in short details how Prince Charles used Australian governor-general Sir John Kerr to dismiss Gough Whitlam’s government in 1975. See Charles with Kerr in 1977. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8873981/Prince-Charles-backed-plot-oust-beleaguered-Australian-PM-Gough-Whitlam-1975.html Fiona Barnett accused the same (former Australian PM) “Gough Whitlam” of being present at satanic rituals where children were raped and killed: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505159-Paedophilia-in-Hollywood&p=6391167&viewfull=1#post6391167 http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?511234-Dragon-court&p=6482866&viewfull=1#post6482866
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    10-24-2020, 09:16 AM
    Because of the complete lockdown of the economy, people in the third world are getting hungry. Even in the “developed” US, some 1.5 million New Yorkers cannot buy food, and are standing in long lines to beg for food from food banks. Because Big Brother wants to know everything, and the long lines were bad publicity (so short before the re-election of Donald Trump), people begging for food have to make an appointment before they can pick up food at Masbia: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/pandemic-worsens-nycs-food-crisis Billionaires all across the globe have gotten richer (according to FT).
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    10-23-2020, 09:40 AM
    I guess nobody is interested in this Biden-Giuliani "bombshell"?!? In 2009, the corrupt US Vice President Joe Biden visited Romania to meet the future chief of the local Anti-Corruption National Department (DNA), Laura Kovesi, these day EU’s Prosecutor in Chief. Kovesi had a direct phone link to (then) US ambassador to Romania Mark Gitenstein. While leading DNA, Kovesi helped the US administration to decimate not only the local mafia, but any local capital big enough to oppose foreign influence. One of Kovesi’s strongest “opponents” was The Monaco Group led by Romanian oligarch Puiu Popoviciu. Popoviciu is the son-in-law of Ion “Teleaga” Dinca, former Minister of Internal Affairs and Vice-Prime-Minister under Ceausescu (when Romania was Communist). Popoviciu represents a host of top US companies in Romania. So in 2009, Popoviciu was arrested. In 2016, Popoviciu hired an all-star (American) legal team to defend him against the corruption charges.
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    10-23-2020, 09:38 AM
    Way back in 2016, I posted extensively on the many, many connections between presidential candidates Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. In 2009, the corrupt US Vice President Joe Biden visited Romania to meet the future chief of the local Anti-Corruption National Department (DNA), Laura Kovesi, these day EU’s Prosecutor in Chief. Kovesi had a direct phone link to (then) US ambassador to Romania Mark Gitenstein. While leading DNA, Kovesi helped the US administration to decimate not only the local mafia, but any local capital big enough to oppose foreign influence. One of Kovesi’s strongest “opponents” was The Monaco Group led by Romanian oligarch Puiu Popoviciu. Popoviciu is the son-in-law of Ion “Teleaga” Dinca, former Minister of Internal Affairs and Vice-Prime-Minister under Ceausescu (when Romania was Communist). Popoviciu represents a host of top US companies in Romania. So in 2009, Popoviciu was arrested. In 2016, Popoviciu hired an all-star (American) legal team to defend him against the corruption charges. Popoviciu hired a corrupt lawyer named Hunter Biden of the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP (of Trump crony David Boies).
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    10-23-2020, 08:17 AM
    You’re missing one of the most important new causes of death… “not-urgent” medical treatments have been postponed (which means cancelled in the case of death)… This has kept hospitals empty (bailed out with newly printed money) and some of these treatments would have prevented deaths. At least 25,000 more people have died at home during the pandemic in England and Wales because they were refused hospital treatment, a surge of 43.8%. I have my “doubts” about cancer treatment, but here are some examples (from the UK). Treatment for strokes fell by 45%, causing over 2,000 excess deaths from heart disease; More than 50,000 operations for children were cancelled; Organ transplants fell by 67%, with the number of those dying on the transplant waiting list almost doubling; Delays in cancer treatment could cause a 20% rise in cancer deaths in England – 6,270 excess deaths in 2020.
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    10-22-2020, 10:00 AM
    The following article was posted in another thread by devil21, but fits in well here... Head of Operation Warp Speed, big pharma crony Moncef Slaoui, has confirmed that all Americans who (not) receive the COVID-19 vaccine will be monitored via “tracking systems” to “ensure that patients each get two doses of the same vaccine and to monitor them for adverse health effects”. Maybe somebody should point out that these health effects should be monitored BEFORE everybody gets poisoned with the vaccines in an independent scientific trial… Official OWS show that the vaccine human guinea pigs will be monitored for 24 months after the first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine through a “pharmacovigilance system” (what?!?). OWS describes one of its “four key tenets” as “traceability” to: 1) “confirm which of the approved vaccines were administered regardless of location (private/public)”; 2) to send a “reminder to return for second dose”; and 3) to “administer the correct second dose”. Despite claims that the “pharmacovigilance surveillance system” would intimately involve the FDA. In September, top FDA officials complained they were barred from attending OWS meetings and could not explain the operation’s organisation.
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    10-22-2020, 09:23 AM
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?549906-Rigging-the-election-by-staging-the-second-wave Isn’t it something like a “conflict of interest” that the same Facebook that helped to get Trump elected by violating the privacy of between 87 and 230 million Americans by handing over their personal data to Cambridge Analytica is now banning ads that show that the election was rigged? Cambridge Analytica is of course the American subsidiary of the British Royal controlled SCL Group (who knew that the British royals are at the centre of “Russiagate”?)...
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    10-22-2020, 08:38 AM
    There are more advantages to staging the second wave coronavirus pandemic. While our wonderful media can continue to ignore Joe Biden; Donald Trump can deliver a carefully scripted patriotic morale booster: “We will beat this terrible disease”. This “terrible disease” with a mortality rate of lower than 0.1%... Then the only headlines given to Biden will be of the level “Biden will lockdown to economy over COVID-19”. Never mind that this is precisely what President Donald has done.
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    10-22-2020, 08:37 AM
    Are the shyllz desperate that their hero Donald won't win? They couldn't be afraid of Joe Biden, who seems to be ignored by most media (I honestly don't know of any direct Biden-Epstein/Maxwell connection). After joining this forum in August 2016, I started posting about the close association of Jeffrey Epstein to both Donald Trump and Clinton that same month: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?499034-Boycott-the-elections&p=6297428&viewfull=1#post6297428
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    10-22-2020, 08:29 AM
    I think that they forgot to take into account that according to the CDC, only 6% of all coronavirus deaths (in the US) were related to the coronavirus alone; on average there were 2.6 additional (possible) causes per death. This means that a better estimate of the COVID-19 fatality rates, would be to multiply 0.14% with 0.06, leading to a fatality rate of 0.008%...
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    10-21-2020, 09:48 AM
    Related… the top think thank recipient of funds from the US government and military industrial complex is the RAND Corporation. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?549791-Top-50-US-quot-think-tanks-quot-are-really-funded-by-War-Industry-and-Pentagon
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    10-21-2020, 09:31 AM
    Dr. Tom Cowan has this to say on the CDC’s claim that the magical COVID-19 was isolated using PCR. “To me, this computer-generation step constitutes scientific fraud. Here is an equivalency: A group of researchers claim to have found a unicorn because they found a piece of a hoof, a hair from a tail, and a snippet of a horn. They then add that information into a computer and program it to re-create the unicorn, and they then claim this computer re-creation is the real unicorn. Of course, they had never actually seen a unicorn so could not possibly have examined its genetic makeup to compare their samples with the actual unicorn's hair, hooves and horn. The researchers claim they decided which is the real genome of SARS-CoV-2 by "consensus," sort of like a vote. Again, different computer programs will come up with different versions of the imaginary "unicorn," so they come together as a group and decide which is the real imaginary unicorn.” Cowan claims that the following is even more of a “blockbuster”. While obviously he’s right, I disagree that this is even more important. Not having the virus isolated in the first places, makes all of the following “research” useless as they don’t know what they’re looking for… Here’s the quote from the CDC’s scientific-looking paper…
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    10-21-2020, 09:29 AM
    We will just have to wait and see. In less that 2 week Donald will be re-elected... I have no crystal ball, and don't claim that I am very good at predictions. Don't follow my reasoning, think for yourself!
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    10-21-2020, 08:39 AM
    Planned in advance to stage the second wave as this election’s “October surprise”? Simply starting the “second wave” pandemic, followed by lockdown rules that will effectively make it nearly impossible for people to vote in overwhelming Democrat districts in the “swing states”. What could possibly go wrong?!? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?549906-Rigging-the-election-by-staging-the-second-wave
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    10-21-2020, 08:36 AM
    Since April, I’ve been expecting that in the second half of October, first half of November the second wave coronavirus “pandemic” will be staged. This is the normal time of year that hospitalisations start to rise because of the common cold and flu in the Northern hemisphere. So by the simple trick of mislabelling them as COVID-19 cases, the second wave is the inevitable result. I’ve known even longer that at the end of this month an October surprise stunt will be staged by the “deep state” to increase the chances that Donald Trump will be re-elected president. It shouldn’t be too difficult to combine the 2. Simply starting the “second wave” pandemic, followed by lockdown rules that will effectively make it nearly impossible for people to vote in overwhelming Democrat districts in the “swing states”. Victory seems guaranteed; what could possibly go wrong? Facebook has already prepared for this situation, banning people that expose that the US election was rigged.
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    10-21-2020, 08:34 AM
    In line with Donald’s Executive Order - in a nice Orwellian twist - “protecting free speech” on online platforms… Facebook has recently banned some “politically incorrect” topics. Most importantly Facebook has banned ads that delegitimise the results of the U.S. election (this year’s but also in the past and future). Facebook has banned ads that discourage people from getting vaccines: Facebook is working with the World Health Organization and UNICEF “on public health messaging campaigns to increase immunization rates”. Facebook is banning groups that give health advice.
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    10-20-2020, 10:14 AM
    Amazing Polly was one of many that recently got banned by YouTube. https://www.bitchute.com/video/4YLWnnAkIGtY/
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    10-20-2020, 10:13 AM
    As the result of implementation of BlackRock’s August 2019 “going direct” bailout plan, BlackRock’s assets under management have increased with 12% in only a year to a whopping $7.8 trillion. BlackRock‘s shares rose another 3% after this news was published. BlackRock's stock has surged more than 25% in 2020 thanks to the coronavirus bailout plan: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/13/investing/blackrock-earnings/index.html It is expected that BlackRock and Vanguard will even further increase their ownership of all the major corporations. It is estimated by Bloomberg that by 2028 BlackRock and Vanguard together will control $20 trillion in assets. Vanguard will increase its $4.7 trillion of assets to more than $10 trillion by 2023. BlackRock could reach $10 trillion by 2025 (according to Bloomberg from “only” $6 trillion today).
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    10-20-2020, 10:11 AM
    As the result of implementation of BlackRock’s August 2019 “going direct” bailout plan, BlackRock’s assets under management have increased with 12% in only a year to a whopping $7.8 trillion. BlackRock‘s shares rose another 3% after this news was published. BlackRock's stock has surged more than 25% in 2020 thanks to the coronavirus bailout plan: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/13/investing/blackrock-earnings/index.html
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    10-20-2020, 10:10 AM
    Naturally BlackRock is amongst the major shareholders in Tesla… 29 June 2020 is the last reported date of major owners in Tesla. At that time Blackrock Inc. owned 4.2%, but even more was owned by. Vanguard Group, Inc. – 10.0% Baillie Gifford and Company – 6.4% Capital World Investors – 5.8% Tesla CEO Elon Musk even owns a 21% stake in Tesla (around 38.7 million shares): https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/holders/
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    10-19-2020, 09:58 AM
    While at the same time the lockdown enforced is fast becoming even more brutal than 6 months ago, the elites continue like these rules don’t apply to them. On 24 August, King Willem-Alexander and Queen Maxima of the Netherlands were forced to apologise after a photo was published showing them breaking social distancing guidelines. Standing very close to a restaurant owner on the island of Milos (Greece), while on holiday with their 3 daughters. Willem-Alexander and Maxima released a statement that we must still obey the lockdown: https://dutchreview.com/news/king-and-queen-of-the-netherlands-broke-social-distancing-rules-while-in-greece/
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    10-17-2020, 09:37 AM
    Bruce Jette, assistant secretary of the Army for acquisition, logistics and technology, has confirmed that the US Army will maintain social distancing measures put in place regardless of whether the coronavirus pandemic ends: https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/ausa/2020/10/14/us-army-wants-industry-to-keep-covid-safety-rules-in-place-even-after-the-pandemic-ends/
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    10-16-2020, 10:14 AM
    The following interview with investigative journalist Harry Vox was originally aired on 21 October 2014. Vox predicted a planned global plandemic and explained why the “ruling class” would stage such a false flag: Vox bases much of what he says on the Rockefeller Lock Step plan. I don’t agree with Vox that they will really infect the population though.
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    10-16-2020, 09:47 AM
    On the campaign trail, Donald Trump promised to get rid of the US national debt (in 8 years). Even before the coronavirus “pandemic” was started the US debt continued to balloon; since then it has literally skyrocketed. If you think things are bad now, just wait until the bubble of everything explodes! In 1980, US public debt was $863 billion. It took 192 years and 39 presidents to get there… According to the US Debt Clock, today the US national debt exceeds $27 trillion. From 2007 to 2010, the Fed funnelled $29 trillion in “secret bailouts”… In 2020, the Fed handed out over $9 trillion to fund BlackRock’s bailout plan.
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