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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 05:05 PM
    I've moved all the posts involving "War on Drugs" / "legalization" stuff to the following thread, as it is a better fit for the topic: Oregonians support ending drug decriminalization The moved posts start with this one.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 04:48 PM
    It hasn't been "proven" in those cities because it hasn't been done in those cities. As I said earlier (and as Mark Thornton explains in the video I quoted in this post): You really can't "half-ass" this kind of thing like that and then expect anything but "half-assed" results. I would also add that those places didn't become shitholes because they "legalized" possession and consumption (but not production and distribution) - rather, they "legalized" possession and consumption (but not production and distribution) because they became shitholes (or as I put it ealier, because of "batshit insanity progressivism"). I don't disagree with any of this. But the State and it's prohibitions are not the source for that "infrastructure" you speak of - it is the destroyer of it. Forgive me for repeating this quote from an earlier post, but it bears repeating (this time with a different part emphasized):
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 04:17 PM
    Thank you. I looked and looked at it but couldn't "see" it. This is why two heads can better than one :)
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 04:14 PM
    I don't think I agree. In the past I would have but that doesn't seem to have been proven in the cities mentioned. They've all become shitholes. This isn't a problem with easy or ideological solutions. Because all of this poses serious problems to other people, it requires serious thinking and learning from others who have tried to tackle it, like Portugal. Without that treatment infrastructure, though, it won't work. Was it Madison who said this (freedom) only works with a moral people? How is serving the immoral working out? I agree with Bukele when he warns the US is headed in the same direction as El Salvador was when he took over. No sane society wants this. Even the loons in Portland are sorry they did it.
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    Today, 04:06 PM
    You left out the slash in the closing tag at the end.
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    Today, 04:02 PM
    There always have been and always will be booze hounds and drug addicts. The War on Drugs is no more "winnable" than the War on Booze was. The only thing it will accomplish is the enrichment of violent criminals and government bureaucrats. And the fact that government "safety" programs don't work any better than government "prohibition" programs should be a surprise to no one.
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    Today, 03:56 PM
    Bathtub gin wasn't deadly because it was gin. Some of it wasn't even gin at all. (The term "bathtub gin" was used to describe any illicitly produced booze that was cooked up in things like bathtubs - hence, "bathtub gin".) It was deadly because it was adulterated with other legally produced substances (such as formaldehyde) to increase its volume and/or potency. - just as (legally produced) fentanyl, in addition to being used directly as a drug itself, is often used to adulterate other drugs to increase their volume and/or potency (which are then consumed by unwitting users who don't even know it's there - something which would be much less likely to occur if the production and sale of drugs were fully legal and their producers and sellers could be held liable for such adulteration, just like alcohol producers are). From the article (bold emphasis added): And as I noted in your quote of me (bold emphasis added):
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    Today, 03:51 PM
    Ukraine is the ne plus ultra of election fortification.
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 03:51 PM
    This is where things really went to shit in the west. Anti human Marxism. Isn't that what Milei is also fighting? QZRqHCjLvViU https://www.bitchute.com/video/QZRqHCjLvViU/ Occam's Banana How did I not embed that right?
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 03:43 PM
    That approach to determining what's important to address priorities sounds as good as anything. I don't see how markets address rampant mental illness, drug addiction, crime and immorality. I would think markets would just feed all that. All of this shit is a result of the Marxist attack on our society. It was not like this when we grew up and it's getting worse. Do you want to live in one of these shitholes? I assume not. Why not if you think that hands off approach is correct?
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 03:29 PM
    The illegal grows are usually on public land. They just go out into the forest, clear an area, find a water supply, and set up. Would they buy their own land and incur that expense if there were no regulations? I doubt the ones who are basically squatting would. Some do, though. I saw a video about this, recently, and a certain ethnic group (can't recall who) bought houses and set up indoor grows. Anyway, that's all just weed and while the outdoor illegal operations are an environmental and violent criminal problem, it's just plants. Fentanyl, meth and other man made drugs are an entirely different problem. The addict coddling is/was an effort to make it safer (clean needles, "clean" drugs, designated user areas) and did not work. Addiction and crime just got worse. If they had just legalized or decriminalized the same drugs, with "safety" programs, that, too, would have been worse. It looks like the only place that has successfully done anything like this is Portugal but while they offer the "safety", they demand treatment and make it available. That is a huge taxpayer investment. There is no such infrastructure here. So, you either make it illegal and we get back to 1950s America or you put massive money into serious treatment programs for addicts and the mentally ill because legalization begets addicts and mental illness. Why do you think Soros has funded legalization efforts?
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    Today, 03:11 PM
    Dave Smith vs. Chris Freiman | What's the ideal immigration policy? | Just Asking Questions, Ep. 16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M23uW7G1OEE {ReasonTV | 28 March 2024} Podcaster Dave Smith and philosopher Chris Freiman debate open borders on the latest episode of Just Asking Questions. Text and links to sources available here: https://reason.com/podcast/2024/03/28/dave-smith-vs-chris-freiman-whats-the-ideal-immigration-policy/ What's the ideal immigration policy?
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 03:10 PM
    I agree with control being local. The experiments in legalization of dangerous man made drugs should serve as a lesson to other locales who are considering the same.
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 03:05 PM
    Fentanyl production is legal. It's used in hospitals, especially in surgery. It's not so much illegal drug trafficking but trafficking (and manufacturing) in controlled substances. I don't know about comparisons to bathtub gin. You've gotta drink gin to OD on it and fentanyl is so deadly that unintentional exposure has killed or nearly killed people: Dad reveals horrific details of baby’s reported fentanyl overdose at S.F. playground https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-authorities-investigating-whether-a-17621718.php What possible reason does it make sense to have drugs like that on the streets?
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 02:49 PM
    Excellent response. I rarely read anything from Reason because it seems kind of commie, to me. I often see similarities between communism and whatever they're peddling (Utopia ideasphere). Where does the intellectualizing become critical theory? While some of those criticisms sounded legit, we don't know the details and will have to wait and see. I'm pro populist, too. Sure as hell beats unpopular. It's a stupid term for politics, anyway. Last but not least, I'm on record as supporting Bukele. In the ideaspehere, everything seems to start with the assumption that any given population is moral, reasonable and favors self control. Well, in real life that's not the case in a lot of places, like these violence infested shitholes. If Milei sees a reason to address drug trafficking, it's probably a problem that threatens Argentina, like most of Latin America.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 02:49 PM
    Don't mind me. I just picked this thread at random to post this in. Carry on.
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    Today, 02:42 PM
    The fentanyl thing is not really much different from the poisonous "bathtub gin" problem that existed during alcohol prohibition. It's a problem that occurs because of prohibition, not because of "legalization". The problem with all these so-called "legalization" schemes is that they only "legalize" possession and consumption, but not production and distribution (which remain criminal). So the only producers, distributors, and sellers will be criminals who will (1) be prone to violence to protect their turf and profits, and (2) have no incentives to care about the quality or safety of their products. Notice that, unlike during alcohol prohibition, innocent (and even not-so-innocent) people are not being injured or killed during running gun battles between competing alcohol distributors (such as Anheuser-Busch and Miller Brewing Co.). Brewers and sellers don't need to peddle their wares on schoolyards, and those who peddle poisonous products can be held civilly and/or criminally liable to their victims. And this was all without having to coddle drunks (unlike what is going on in Portland and elsewhere with respect to drugs & addicts).
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  • susano's Avatar
    Today, 02:19 PM
    Well, yeah, but who's in control? The psychopaths are (including federales and military) because there's nothing stopping them. In less violent cultures, like north America (though becoming far violent than in the past), addicts are all over the streets, committing crime and dropping dead on the shit covered sidewalks. Vancouver, Portland, Seattle, Philly, are real life experiments in legalization or lax enforcement of drug laws. We've gone from weed being a harmless and natural plant that anyone should be free to use (I agree) to fentanyl and other who knows what drugs flooding those cities and it's made them shitholes. This is worth watching if you haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT8OU8Yhs_s
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    Today, 02:14 PM
    Portland's problem isn't the "legalization". Portland's problem is the irresponsible addict-coddling of batshit insanity progressivism. But if there are "illegal grows", then it isn't really legal, is it?
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    Today, 02:01 PM
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War Wow. Never heard of this. It was about a lot more than football, though, I guess. That just solidifies my own opinion that organized sports serve to keep the masses stupid and in the team mentality for when the real SHTF. It's interesting that the violence part wasn't a thing in north America. Maybe that's an indication of higher IQ or something. It's not just a white thing because the Brits act like morons over "footie", though not as violent as someplace like Brazil which isn't very white. What do you make of it? Sounds like a good topic for a grant proposal for a few million in research welfare.
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    Today, 01:36 PM
    Why is ‘Libertarian’ Reason Unreasonably Smearing Argentina’s Javier Milei? https://ampamerica.com/nichols-why-is-libertarian-reason-unreasonably-smearing-argentinas-javier-milei/ {Brian Nichols | 28 March 2024} When I saw the recent hit piece by Antonella Marty, CEO of Sociedad Atlas at The Atlas Society, in Reason magazine attacking Argentina’s new president Javier Milei, I had to rub my eyes in disbelief. Could this really be coming from the CEO of a prominent libertarian think tank, published in a respected libertarian outlet ? The op-ed, which portrays Milei as an authoritarian populist, is so rife with distortions and unfounded allegations that it borders on intellectual malpractice. As a proud libertarian, I feel compelled to set the record straight and defend a man who is bravely trying to pull his country out of the abyss of socialism. Let’s start by examining the central claim of Marty’s piece – that Milei is not a “real” libertarian because of some of his policy decisions and rhetoric. But since when did the Atlas Society and Reason magazine, of all places, provide a platform for such blatant purity testing and gate-keeping? The reality is that governing is messy business, especially in a country as dysfunctional as Argentina. Milei has inherited an economic catastrophe marked by hyperinflation, stifling regulations, and unsustainable government spending. In this context, some deviations from libertarian orthodoxy are not only understandable, but necessary as transitional measures. https://twitter.com/Libertarium_arg/status/1763669774846824742 1763669774846824742
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    Today, 01:29 PM
    That's a good point. Could just be that these degenerates get even more so when drugged and were more controllable for him. In the lawsuit, the most interesting thing I thought was in there was that Diddy and one of his sons went into a bathroom with a third guy and the guying suing was sitting near the closed door when multiple gunshots rang out. Diddy and his kid walked out and the third lay seriously bleeding (don't know if he's alive or dead). Diddy ordered the blood cleaned up and to tell the cops that it happened outside and as a result of a drive by shooting. LAPD played along, made no arrests, and papers ran the drive by story the next day. LAPD is notoriously corrupt and it looks like they did what Diddy ordered, as did the press.
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    Today, 01:17 PM
    There was a terrible knife attack, on a train in England, just a couple of days ago. The huge knife looked to be an ordinary kitchen knife. Then the police went on to show a CCTV shot of the perp, from the day before, walking the streets with the knife in hand and followed with saying there was no known danger to the public at this time and that was while the perp was on the loose. They've had the knife attack thing going on for a long time and now it's come here.
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    Today, 01:11 PM
    For reasons I don't understand, Latin America is violent and that's a big factor in the drug trade. I don't really know what I think about about all of this legalization idea. They did it in Portland and Vancouver British Columbia and the results have been disastrous. Even with just weed, California where it's legal, has a huge problem with illegal grows by organized crime. If the licensing aspect were also removed, I don't think it would make any difference.
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    Today, 12:58 PM
    Yeah, the worse thing I see about it is the men who lost their lives.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 12:56 PM
    The following quote is from the "Javier Milei" thread. I've moved all the subsequent replies (starting with this one) to this thread, as it is a better fit for the topic: I hate all the War on Drugs bullshit, but South America (and Central America, and Mexico) is a god-forsaken basket-case of drug-cartel corruption and violence, so I'm not going to complain (too much) about whatever Bukele, Milei, et al. decide they have to do to mitigate it. The best thing that could be done for South America (and Central America, and Mexico) is for the rest of the world (especially the United States) to put an end to War on Drugs and legalize (or decriminalize, or whatever) it all. That would do far more to impoverish the cartels and drive them out of business than all the laws in the world. (So, of course, that's the one thing that won't happen - the CIA would never stand for it, among other reasons.)
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