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    Yesterday, 04:43 PM
    Originally posted here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?469006-Antitrust-Law-Needed-or-Not&p=5801285&viewfull=1#post5801285 Are Antitrust Law Needed or Not? A breakdown of the Axiom's involved in the issue... Moral Issues Axiom 1: Having a monopoly does not mean that you have done anything morally wrong, all of your property and clients can be justly acquired. Axiom 2: Antitrust laws only have value when they are back by forcing others to comply, such as with breaking up a monopoly by taking control over resources. Axiom 3: It is immoral to apply force against others when they have not done anything wrong.
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    Yesterday, 03:29 PM
    Originally posted here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?441914-Why-did-the-economy-boom-during-the-1950-s-when-the-top-tax-rate-was-91&p=5390040&viewfull=1#post5390040 A guest member asked: Why did the economy boom during the 1950's when the top tax rate was 91%? For the sake of argument, let's say you statement is correct, that the economy did boom when there was a top tax rate of 91%. Question- does that make it right? Did the people being taxed 91% agree to this? One can presume they didn't, so what is the justification for this tax? Does the benefit to the whole ("the economy") make it morally and ethically acceptable to tax someone at 91%? What about 92%? Or 93%, 94%, ... 99%? Why not just take it all if it makes the economy boom? Why not, since that is the objective here. So let's say that the people being taxed 91% didn't agree to this, but were fine paying for services they utilized such that they helped pay for the roads they use, they pay for local fire and police protection, patent filling fees, court costs and such. Let's say this voluntary exchange doesn't come close to 91%, should the rest still be taken? Can you explain how it makes it right for a group of people to lay claim to the wages and earnings of someone else in this case? Remember, the government is nothing more than a group of people.
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    Yesterday, 03:25 PM
    Originally from: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?441915-America-has-the-highest-gun-violence-in-the-world&p=5383794&viewfull=1#post5383794 A member guest asked: Why do Libertarians continue to delude themselves about the dangers of guns? "America has the highest gun violence in the world" (reference to murder rate) Murder is a terrible thing and certainly no one wants to see one of their loved ones murdered. To directly answer your question, I don't know anyone who is delusion on the dangers of guns, guns are designed to hurt/kill, so they are inherently dangerous. Most people know this.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    07-13-2018, 11:34 PM
    The soul is simply the inner you… your mind, will and emotions. Do you have those things? If so, if you have a soul. Or more accurately, you are a soul. I think some people get the soul mixed up with the spirit.
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    07-13-2018, 07:31 PM
    Obviously I wouldn't work for a company that demanded that. And it's extremely far-fetched, but if they all did that, it wouldn't matter because I have my own company, and I never want to go back to working for someone else anyway. I like being able to choose who I work with.
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    07-13-2018, 07:19 PM
    Yes, I think we all agree that people are free to associate with who they want to associate with, and if they don't like a company's policies, find another place to work. As for influencing people, I see it differently. For example, when it comes to religion/faith, there are tons of scriptures throughout the Bible about sharing the Gospel, being a witness, taking the good news to the ends of the earth, etc. As for other things, there’s nothing wrong with trying to influence people, as long as no one is forced, and as long as it is done in an appropriate way. I'm sure there are many here who believe that we should try to influence people toward the message of liberty. The media/schools/powers-that-be are sure doing a good job influencing people in the opposite direction, so if we sit around and do nothing, how do we expect anything to ever change? But that's just what I believe, and I know that we all have different roles or 'callings' so maybe it's not for everyone.
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    07-13-2018, 06:25 PM
    Well I was just making that clear, regardless of what you said. But yeah, agreed.
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    07-13-2018, 06:06 PM
    I didn't read the whole article, but it seems to me that they simply removed it from the food they serve at events and such… That is very different than telling people what to do on their own time. But if it was the latter, then I would agree with you.
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    07-13-2018, 06:04 PM
    I kind of got that vibe from AF. But anyway, yes, let the free market work. It reminds me of a well-known café in England that recently took dairy completely off their menu, after watching the viral video "Dairy is scary." If people don't like that decision, they can take their business somewhere else. I haven't heard how their business is doing, but with all the attention they got for that, they probably got a ton more business for doing it.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    07-13-2018, 05:49 PM
    Why are you angry about what a private company does? You're not implying that they don't have the right to decide what to serve or not serve, are you? I for one applaud them for no longer offering decaying corpses on their menu.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    07-10-2018, 06:31 PM
    To answer, it's of value to examine how it's down now. This is a framework that can apply for many similar situations... 1. There is some identification of a problem. Scientist / researchers ID that some human behavior is causing a long term issue. 2. There is campaign to grow awareness of the problem, people debate the research and the real impact of the issue. 3. Coalitions are built to set a policy to fix the problem. 4. Laws get past, people get notified. 5. Funds are used to enforce the law. 6. Forced is used to make violators comply with the law. 7. If too many people disagree with the law a war of sorts breaks out.
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    07-10-2018, 12:20 AM
    :eek:
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    07-09-2018, 08:52 PM
    That's all I need to hear. Thumbs down.
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    07-02-2018, 08:07 PM
    lilymc replied to a thread What's for dinner? in Open Discussion
    Nope, it’s hype and misunderstanding. The problem is that people wrongly assume that soy contains estrogen… It has phytoestrogen, which is not the same thing and operates in a completely different way. It actually prevents against certain types of cancer, and no it doesn't do anything weird to your body. The ironic thing about this is that DAIRY contains actual estrogen, so the very people who say they don’t want to eat soy usually have no problem with eating loads of dairy, which shows how idiotic the whole thing is.
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    07-02-2018, 06:28 PM
    lilymc replied to a thread What's for dinner? in Open Discussion
    Orange And Ginger Glazed Tofu. It was delicious, and filling.:)
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    07-01-2018, 06:51 PM
    You took me too literally. When I said "we're all" I basically meant both sides of the aisle… If he is merely playing the part of a conservative/nationalist, then both the left are being deceived, as well as his supporters, who think he is the savior here to truly make America great again. I didn't mean every single one of us. :)
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    06-30-2018, 07:54 PM
    I think it's truth mixed with lies. I'm not buying that Trump is the Savior… who somehow got in, even though it seems pretty clear by now that no one can get to that level without being part of 'the club.' I'm sorry to sound pessimistic, but I get the feeling that we're all being deceived… But we'll see.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    06-29-2018, 06:49 PM
    I was talking about Zoë Schlanger, just in case there was any confusion. As for what Tabor said about plants, from my perspective that’s an odd thing to say. I mean, when we look at natural plant foods from the earth, it’s pretty obvious which ones are edible. And to many of us, especially those of us who believe in God, it’s obvious that those foods were meant to be eaten, they were designed as food. But at the same time, not all plants are edible... or meant to be edible. So I don’t know why she would say that in that tweet… not sure what her point is. Who ever argued that all parts of plants are edible? Also, I was reading some more of her tweets, and she’s posting some misleading information. It takes far more water to produce meat, because not only do you have to give the animals water, but the food they eat also requires water, and from what I saw she left that part completely out. The reality is, a vegetarian or vegan diet is far better for the environment, for a number of reasons. That’s pretty much common knowledge, and I’ve never seen anyone argue that (other than Danno maybe)... But I guess her main point is not so much that meat-eating is better, but that diet should go along with the land/environment one lives in?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    06-29-2018, 05:36 PM
    I say no, it’s not colonialist or Eurocentric for a few reasons. First of all, vegetarianism is not inherent to any one place, it’s not a European concept. The most vegetarian country in the world by far is India. If anything, it’s more linked to spiritual beliefs (for example, Jainism, Hinduism, some sects of Buddhism, some Rastafarians, etc.) Again, it’s not a western thing or an idea inherent to any one area. Veganism (which is different than vegetarianism, but the article is about vegetarianism) is an international movement, it is becoming popular all over the world. Secondly, it’s a grassroots type of thing. People are becoming vegan mainly because of the internet and word-of-mouth. Because now we can see with our own eyes what is going on in slaughterhouses and the animal industries, due to undercover cameras, etc. So, it can’t be colonialist if it is growing all over the place, among regular people, in a word of mouth way. It’s not being forced on anyone, people are merely seeing the truth and spreading the word. As for what the author said about vegetarianism/veganism not being practical in certain parts of the world, because of the terrain and limited water... as the tweet posted in that article said, who is arguing that vegetarianism should start with indigenous herders?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    06-28-2018, 09:30 PM
    No, it's not, because I haven't seen that. What I do see from vegans who have an activist mindset is the push to change public opinion… Through videos, documentaries, social media, public speaking, going out on the street and handing out booklets, also creative types of activism like bringing laptops to a public place and showing people slaughterhouse footage, or like this guy, going on a year long vow of silence to raise awareness. And of course marches, protests and stuff like that. I honestly think that even the most hard-core activist vegans are wise enough to understand that forcing people to change doesn't work. I'm sure there are groups (like PETA) trying to influence legislators to make things better for the animals through legislation...But I haven't seen anyone trying to make eating meat illegal. So let's not go into paranoid territory. ;) Things are definitely changing, because veganism is growing like crazy all around the world… So there will be changes because of good ol supply and demand, and changing public opinion… Not because of forceful laws.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    06-28-2018, 05:19 PM
    True, so maybe a better word would have been something like "compartmentalization" or DoubleThink. But there are meat eaters who fall into the category you mentioned... And that's actually a good thing, because that discomfort is usually what causes them to re-think what they're doing. It was that way for me.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    06-28-2018, 04:37 PM
    Interesting: https://www.instagram.com/p/BklNpcJAdP6/?hl=en&taken-by=milo.yiannopoulos
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    06-28-2018, 04:20 PM
    No thanks.
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    06-28-2018, 04:19 PM
    The whole agenda is cultural Marxism, imo. This might sound crazy, but Marxists openly admit in their writings that they want to destroy Western values and institutions, like marriage, the family unit, Christianity, private property, etc. And one way to destroy things like marriage/family is to promote homosexuality, promiscuity, transgenderism, etc., etc. So it's social conditioning, and trying to steer society in the direction they want, by getting rid of traditional/biblical ideas.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    06-28-2018, 11:54 AM
    The word has more than one meaning, according to any dictionary. Of course I meant characters or individual dispositions, or certain characteristics that distinguish one individual from another. And since that is the case (and demonstrably so) there's nothing wrong with using the word personalities in that sense. And here's where you're very wrong. Your statement that I'm projecting "human qualities" onto animals comes with the assumption that those qualities are strictly human. No. Humans are not the center of the universe. All qualities come from God, such as intelligence, love, joy, etc. Those are not "human qualities" they are just qualities that humans possess, but not only humans. And if you don't believe that, it's easy to prove. I could show you tons and tons of video clips of animals who are clearly experiencing things like happiness, joy, curiosity, playfulness, boredom, love and affection, fear, suffering, numerous things. I'm actually amazed that anyone would even argue that, when it is so easily proved. You'd have to be completely blind to not see that. But then again, maybe many people, namely meat eaters, don't even care to look at animals as they truly are, with the exception of dogs and cats. To them farm animals are nothing but food, not sentient beings, individuals who want to live and enjoy life just like you and me.
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    06-28-2018, 02:51 AM
    I think the reason they said "well planned" is because not all vegan diets are the same. Some vegans only do it for ethical (not health) reasons, and there are many things that are accidentally vegan (like Oreos) which could be part of a vegan diet, but obviously wouldn't be healthy. So I think they mean well-balanced, healthy and conscientious... as opposed to eating only one thing, or vegan junk food. But yes, I agree that it would be great if people at least cut back. I definitely think that it is happening, slowly but surely. And yeah, very good point about the employees in those slaughterhouses. In fact I read that many of them develop psychological problems, like PTSD... And that line of the work has an extremely high turnover rate.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    06-28-2018, 02:22 AM
    Also, there are lots of older people who have been vegan for decades, and are active and super healthy. Here's an example, a 103-year-old young former doctor who has been vegan for more than 50 years, still lives an active life, and he retired at age 95! :) And since you mentioned the concern for deficiencies earlier, here is pro surfer Tia Blanco sharing her blood test results after four years as a vegan:
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    06-28-2018, 01:56 AM
    Since you brought that up… Here's the thing. We've been lied to, or indoctrinated to believe that animal products are necessary and healthy. The reality is, not only can you get everything you need from a healthy, balanced vegan diet, but there is lots of evidence that it is the healthiest diet, as it not only prevents disease, but has been known to reverse disease. But just so you don't have to take my word on it, I'm going to post quotes from a number of health organizations and doctors. Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(16)31192-3/fulltext
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    06-27-2018, 08:20 PM
    BTW, I'm not a health nut. I just don't want to die of a heart attack like my cousin did (at age 46), or die of cancer in my 70's like my dad did. I used to not care about my health much, because I always had a high metabolism so I could eat as much as I want and never gain weight. But as I got older, I realized that my poor choices were affecting my health. I also realized that God cares not only about our mental/emotional/spiritual health, but our physical health too. I knew I had to make a change, because I was eating wrong, not exercising, and sitting a lot, and that began to affect my health and energy level. I still have a long way to go, but now I am trying. :) But enough about that, sorry for the little side story there.
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    06-27-2018, 07:54 PM
    No one even remotely said anything about government, at least as far as I've seen. It's about social stigma. For example, transgenderism used to be viewed as a mental disorder, and now since it is being intentionally normalized, we are seeing more and more transgenders, and it is not only becoming something people view as normal, but something to be celebrated and proud of.
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    06-27-2018, 07:41 PM
    It appears that the topic has been misunderstood by a few here. The question isn't what we personally think about obesity, but whether society normalizing and even promoting it is a good idea. Also, I didn't think we were talking about someone with a few extra pounds. As others have said, most people like that, most men like women with meat on their bones. But I thought the topic was about obesity, which is not the same as just being a little overweight. (Or am I wrong about that?)
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    06-26-2018, 10:32 PM
    lolol. (I think it’s funny that you called me to this thread.) Well, I don’t like yoga, but goats are awesome. :) They’re super playful and active and funny.
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    06-26-2018, 04:41 PM
    Oh my gosh. I am honestly surprised that you said that. I had more faith in you than that. Anyway, I have to go… I’ve spent way too much time here today, and have neglected some things that I need to do today. If I can, I’ll try to come back to this thread tonight.
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    06-26-2018, 04:38 PM
    Um hello, he (VIDEODROME) said that he eats meat, so I highly doubt he thinks there is no difference between humans and animals. But I’ll let him speak for himself. Besides, you are implying something about the biblical worldview which is simply not true... yes, it is true that humans and animals are not the same, that humans are created in the image of God and that we are above the animals. I have said that all along. But it does not follow that because we are above the animals, we can exploit them, and treat them cruelly, and think of them as nothing more than commodities. As I said from the start, I wanted to stick with the topic of cognitive dissonance, and not get into big debates on veganism… But I do want to share this quote about dominion, because I believe that tons of Christians have it completely wrong.
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    06-26-2018, 04:29 PM
    No one said animals are people, enough with the strawmen and silly trollish comments. As for the second thing you said, once again you are projecting your mindset onto him. There’s a huge difference between simply having a pet, and doing something for the purpose of helping animals, educating the public, and inspiring and encouraging others to make better choices. Here, I am going to paste the mission & vision from the barn sanctuary website: Mission
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    06-26-2018, 04:21 PM
    It’s very ironic to me that pretty much the only replier to this thread who restored my faith in humanity (even though we don’t fully agree) is an atheist.
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    06-26-2018, 04:12 PM
    That’s a horrible thing to say, you don’t know the guy, you probably have never visited his pages. You are projecting onto him your mindset which evidently doesn’t allow you to believe that people can do something good for animals, for the right reasons, not for self-serving reasons. And the people who donate to him are not fools. Because they too love animals and want others to see what he is trying to show people… that they’re not what we’ve been brainwashed to think.. they are sentient beings, not very different from dogs, they want to be loved, happy, and they actually do love human beings once they realize they can trust them.
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    06-26-2018, 03:56 PM
    I know you’re kind of joking, but if you really believe that I think it’s very sad that you think it’s foolish to go from treating animals as commodities destined for death, to providing them a safe environment for people to be a part of, and for him to follow his conscience. And by the way, that guy is clearly living a happy, successful life, and he is loved by tons of people… all you have to do is read the comments on his videos on Facebook or Instagram, he gets multiple marriage proposals a day :D and tons of positive feedback from pretty much everyone.
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    06-26-2018, 03:41 PM
    I guess you didn’t click on the video embedded in that tweet? He converted his family farm which was handed down to him, into an animal sanctuary. The amazing and cool thing is that in recent years, more and more farms are converting into animal sanctuaries. I personally believe this is part of a global awakening, which is happening now in regard to animals and the food we eat, and fits in with what the Bible says, on how it will be when the earth goes back to the way it was meant to be. (see Isaiah 11:6-9) As for how he keeps it funded, I answered that in post #50. He gets regular donations from like-minded people, and his “ministry” (for lack of a better word) is growing every day. I’m sure he also partially funds it out of his own pocket too.
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    06-26-2018, 03:11 PM
    I did answer that, go back and look at post #50. As for your claim that 99.99% will not exist, that is your opinion, not a factual statement. It really comes down to us. If people begin to see farm animals in a different way, not as objects to be exploited and eaten, but as the sentient beings that they are, the same way we see dogs and cats… then there will be more sanctuaries, more companion animals, more people who want to see them living in safe, loving environments. Your statement implied that we have to keep on eating them in order for them to exist, which is silly iyam.
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    06-26-2018, 02:43 PM
    Almost everything he said was either demonstrably false or a misunderstanding. It is asinine to think that the only reason they exist is because people eat them...which not only implies that we have to eat them in order to keep them existing, but that their short miserable life is worth it for them? As I said to him, we can raise animals in a safe loving environment, not for the purpose of exploiting and eating them, but simply to let them live a good life. And that is what is happening more and more. Of course the numbers will go down, because we are currently bringing into existence billions of animals for the sole purpose of exploiting and killing them. But they will still exist, and to claim otherwise is foolish.
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    06-26-2018, 02:28 PM
    The people who run the sanctuaries. Are you asking how they fund it? Many of them are funded by like-minded people who want to see the animals live in a safe, clean, loving and peaceful environment. This guy is awesome. He does an amazing job with the sanctuary, and I love following his page on Instagram or Facebook, because it feels like you’re right there with him in giving those animals a good life, who otherwise would be trapped in the horrors of the animal industries. 928444547700367360 I could post tons of examples of people who rescue animals, and prove that farm animals are really not much different than dogs, they all have unique personalities, they all have the same desire to live, be happy, and enjoy life, just like you and me.
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