TheCount
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That would be an amazing twist. My new year wish is for it to be maximum chaos. As much spotlight as possible on the absolute circus sideshow that is the current state of politics.

Well, at least we don't have to continually look at Pelosi. :speaknoevil:

In both cases I'm talking about transmission of fuel to either power plants or gas stations. Supply of fuel to one power plant is less lossy than supply of fuel to thousands of gas stations.

I've talked about that since my very first post on the topic. In fact, I focused on that step of the process first as it's the original topic of the thread. The efficiency of the vehicle itself only came up later. It seems like you're having a conversation in your head with someone else. Maybe just talk to them instead of me.

I think that talking about that loss is necessary for an apples to apples comparison. When talking about EVs, you want to talk about all of the losses involved in the system, but when you talk about ICEs, you leave out much of the process. As I said before, if we consider the loss of electrical transmission between power plant and charging station, why do we not also consider about the loss of gasoline transmission to the gas station? Second, and somewhat tangential, transmission to hundreds of power plants is clearly going to be less lossy than transmission to hundreds of thousands of gas stations. Would you agree? That's how I know you didn't click them.

What's the transmission loss of a gallon of crude?

Let me say it another way. For a given amount of energy in either battery or fuel, the ICE wastes more of that energy doing non-productive things. Slava Ukraini! Let me explain like you have a Z in your profile. @CaptUSA mentioned capacity factor, which is clearly a term that you didn't understand. That's the thing compared to weight in this case. You need a lot more total generating capacity if you're using "green energy," because that generating capacity is basically never going to be generating at 100% output. At any given time, winds will be low in some places, it's going to be cloudy in some other places, and so on. And so you need a bunch of "extra" production capacity to cover that shortfall. That's the inefficiency that Capt mentioned.

So, still nothing?

Yeah, and that includes all of that. Definitely. They are not an all purpose tool (yet). As technology improved, they have gone from being very narrowly useful only in certain circumstances to more broadly useful in more circumstances. That trend will continue but it'll never hit 100%.