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    05-16-2020, 10:04 PM
    Politicians who violate the law are to be tried... By whom? And who's to try them if they judge wrongly? And so forth. You have a very naive view of politics: as if no one ever thought of "make them follow the law", lol. Application of the law (no matter the font in which it's printed) always requires human judgment.
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    05-16-2020, 09:44 PM
    Something about rhyming...
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    05-15-2020, 01:52 PM
    Again, the rule I'm offering includes clear definitions of cost and benefit. I'm not saying "go minimize whatever you see as costs." I'm saying "go minimum costs defined in this particular way." If you say "well people might ignore that," yea, I guess they might, but then they might ignore your alternative rule too, so...?
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    05-15-2020, 01:32 PM
    "Do X iff X is cheaper than Y" is just as objective a rule as "never do X." The root of libertarianism is minimizing aggression; whatever accomplishes that is what is best. I think you may be misunderstanding what I mean by cost-benefit analysis.
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    05-15-2020, 01:14 PM
    As I believe Krug and "several others" have mentioned, it's a matter of cost-benefit analysis; there are no other limits. If the options are X and Y, and X will result in lower net costs than Y, then X is preferable to Y.
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    05-15-2020, 01:08 PM
    DeepState™ operatives and/or reptilians, I'm told on good authority.
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    05-15-2020, 01:07 PM
    See my response in your other thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?546373-My-Issue-With-Walter-Block-(he-is-wrong)-and-Forced-Vaccination&p=6948355&viewfull=1#post6948355
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    05-15-2020, 01:03 PM
    If the vaccine isn't sufficiently safe/effective, then the point is moot, of course. Block's talking about a principle; how it applies in a particular situation will depends on the particular facts of that situation (how effective/safe is the vaccine, how dangerous is the disease, etc). It may be that not everyone can be vaccinated (for medical reasons) and those people can only be protected if others are vaccinated. Whether that would justify mass vaccination would again depend on the particular facts; e.g. how many of these people are there? If it's one guy, then I'd say vaccinating everybody else clearly isn't worth it.
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    05-15-2020, 12:34 PM
    Recognizing land theft as wrong is one thing; actually righting those wrongs is another, especially when the wrongs occurred a very long time ago. If you can find an Indian who can prove that he rightfully owns a given plot of land currently occupied by John Smith, then I don't think you'll find many self-ascribed libertarians objecting to having that land restored to the Indian. The problem, for the Indian, is that he likely has no such proof. The mere fact that he's an Indian doesn't suffice. Prior to colonization, the land didn't belong to the Indians; particular plots belonged to particular Indians (or at least particular families, clans, etc). Likewise, Englishmen don't have a generic claim as Englishmen against people from Normandy, in virtue of the Norman conquest; they'd have to prove who in particular did what to whom. The natural loss of evidence over time creates a de facto statute of limitations for old claims. The reality is that virtually none (if not actually none) of the land on Earth is currently "owned" by its legitimate owners, given that we've been warring and conquering for millennia. Note that the last Indian to possess a given plot in the Americas, prior to John Smith's arrival, almost certainly wasn't a descendant of the first, or of someone the first sold or gifted the land to voluntarily; he was more likely a descendant of a conqueror (or conqueror of a conqueror, etc). That's a sound argument in some cases. It depends on just what the natives were doing. Occasionally walking across some land, for instance, isn't enough for homesteading, IMO.
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    05-14-2020, 10:59 PM
    So the difference is that, in your opinion, the virus isn't very dangerous? What if it were something very dangerous? At some point, with enough danger of people infecting and killing one another, you'd be okay with some kind of restrictions? So no putting bullets in a mugger's body in self-defense, then?
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    05-14-2020, 10:46 PM
    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Krugminator2 again." I rarely hear anyone talk about Block these days, but he's one of the clearer living libertarian thinkers, especially on esoteric ethical problems.
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    05-14-2020, 10:33 PM
    Whoosh It's a person unwittingly putting others at risk, like an infected person walking around. The facts are different, obviously, but the principle is the same (i.e. preventative force may be justified to prevent harm). Like I said a few pages back, reasonable people can disagree about how high the risk of harm has to be to justify that preventative force, but you shouldn't knock the principle, since you in fact agree with it (as does just about everyone, whether they recognize it or not).
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    05-14-2020, 10:10 PM
    Here's something really insane. A guy's walking toward you juggling bottles of nitroglycerin. He thinks it's water. I think you have the right to force him to stop, before he blows you up.
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    05-14-2020, 08:43 PM
    I didn't say anything about people intentionally infecting one another. A person going out in public places in the middle of an epidemic is putting others at risk: either because he is already infected and may infect others, or because he may get himself infected and then later infect others. He doesn't need to intend to infect anyone, and he may be totally oblivious of the risks, but risks there are. If those risks are high enough, there's justification to prevent him from going out. This isn't a radical idea. It's just to use force to prevent harm, not only in response to harm has already happened. There's a legitimate debate to be had about how high the risk has to be for preventative force to be justified. I think the risk is high enough now to justify at least many of the restrictions now in place. Your mileage may vary. Think about a simpler example: not an epidemic, but just one guy with a highly contagious and dangerous disease. This guy has no intention of harming anyone, and he doesn't know he's infected. Yet we know he is, and we know that there's a serious risk of him infecting others if he goes out about town. Might it be justified to prevent him from going out, to quarantine him, until he's no longer infectious?
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    05-14-2020, 07:58 PM
    The crackheads at Wall and Broad disliked the anti-NIRP comments, I suppose, so Powell had to throw some more crack at them.
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    05-14-2020, 07:50 PM
    Homeschooling and tele-schooling should both get a nice boost. Classroom delenda est
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    05-14-2020, 07:17 PM
    Okie doke
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    05-14-2020, 07:13 PM
    Americans can make them, at a higher price, and the taxpayer can foot the bill for the difference. ...as the taxpayer is now subsidizing American steel and other industries protected by the tariffs. But that terrific, great, and wonderful change will take time. To your point, if we suddenly can't import Chinese stuff, we just won't have as much stuff, medicine or otherwise.
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    05-14-2020, 07:08 PM
    I'll take the Lynyrd Skynyrd position on that too. As for the fire in your belly, I'm not trying to put it out, just suggesting that you might redirect it toward something more important. To my point, about misplaced focus and distraction, Watergate is probably what 99% of people know about Nixon, as opposed to say nationwide price controls or closing the gold window: things not nearly as sexy, but infinitely more important.
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    05-14-2020, 06:46 PM
    Trump supporters don't like Amash because Amash criticizes Trump, simple as that, nothing to do with liberty. It's no different that the Bushies attacking Ron for being anti-American or whatever it is they were jabbering about back then. The language just changed, and it's now hip for GOPers to talk about liberty, though they generally mean the opposite.
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    05-14-2020, 06:36 PM
    Default and screw the creditors, print and screw the dollar holders, or tax and screw the taxpayers, the bill's going to be paid one way or another.
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    05-14-2020, 06:28 PM
    I don't know that he ever wrote about the issue directly, but land theft is certainly contrary his views on property rights in general. Who says it doesn't? Libertarian principles clearly prohibit theft of land; I've never heard any libertarian say "except for Injuns." Probably, though I'm not aware of anything.
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    05-14-2020, 06:16 PM
    Any ETA on that? Before or after Trump pays off the national debt? Are the super secret marines bivouacking at an undisclosed location as we speak?
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    05-14-2020, 06:13 PM
    They don't call it the dismal science for nothing.
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    05-14-2020, 05:57 PM
    So, let's say Flynn is exonerated; what happens next? I'll tell you; the GOP cheers, the Dems boo, and everything else remains exactly the same, because this is meaningless clickbait. Every TV news network has been blabbering about this on and off for years. TL;DR
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    05-14-2020, 05:42 PM
    If the goal is to raise consumer prices and hasten the demise of the dollar, that's a wonderful, terrific, and great plan.
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    05-14-2020, 05:28 PM
    There are plenty of injustices every day; why should I care about this one in particular, as opposed to all the others that don't make the news? The media/politicians certainly don't care because of any interest in justice; for them, this is just red (or blue) meat for the coming election. ...like most issues that get a lot of press. And what threat did he pose to what villains?
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    05-14-2020, 05:19 PM
    Can you give me some examples of his pro-liberty positions/actions? Criticizing corruption is good, but from what I recall he was more or less on board with the underlying foreign policy. So, "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran (but don't buy the bombs on no-bid contracts)"...?
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    05-14-2020, 05:02 PM
    You're not for restricting immigration? Do you think people have a right to infect one another with diseases?
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