• TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 02:52 PM
    Except it did. The Left likes to make fun of it for losing power in some places. But in reality, the Texas power grid held up extremely well, considering that the bizarre weather we experienced was something that happens once every 100 (or more) years. The last time Texas had a week that cold, there was no such thing as a "power grid". Personally, my power did not go out even a single time during that whole week.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 01:36 PM
    I hold you in high regard so I would hope you would be smarter than this. "geographic scope" absolutely has "something to do with it". Physical goods require physical effort to move. The "laws of economics" are, after all, bound by the "laws of physics". Fancy words does not an argument make. I know what those words mean and they do not apply here. If you have a point to make, it's better to use your native tongue.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 01:21 PM
    That same presidential candidate also fully recognized and acknowledged that the low and general (not high and targeted) general tariff he advocated would nevertheless still have all the deleterious effects that I and others have identified in this thread. Which is precisely why ha advocated to keep it as low and general as possible, in order to minimize and more evenly distribute the damage it would inevitably cause. This is tautological, as depending "too much" on anything is problematic - that's what "too much" means, after all. For example, one could just as reasonably say "Depending too much on domestic manufacturing and products can leave you in a bind." How much is "too much" is the very question at issue. The answer changes over time and with circumstances and is best decided by the free market. Unfortunately, we don't have one of those. And no tariff as such is ever going to bring us closer to one.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 01:15 PM
    Acquiring a thing from "over there" (wherever that is) may be cheaper than making it "right here" (wherever that is). Or it may not. And that might change tomorrow for any of myriad reasons. Or it might not. But mere "geographic scope" (be it "global" or "national" or "local" or whatever) has nothing to do with it, one way or the other. The laws of economics have no more respect for arbitrary geopolitical boundaries than illegal immigrants do. And unlike the latter, the laws of men can do nothing about the former. quod erat demonstrandum
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  • acptulsa's Avatar
    Today, 01:05 PM
    Those detailed rebuttals are so devastating.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 12:40 PM
    The first step in overcoming racism is admitting you are a racist :up:
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 12:17 PM
    I'm at the point where I think we should just throw up a force field around the country that obliterates anything that tries to pass through it. Fuck other countries, fuck global trade, and fuck immigration. Maybe once a year the force field can open so I can drink Mai Tai's on a beach in Cancun. But that's it. The rest of the world can go fuck itself.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 12:11 PM
    The dominant reason that the US participates in global trade is cheap labor. And by participating in that global trade we are transferring our wealth to make other countries richer. So yes, you can save $2 on your hammer. But that $2 is now going to China, to further develop their economy. It's perfectly reasonable to consider it a good thing that we are making the world a better place. A rising tide raises all ships and all that. But it would be negligent to exclude this cost that America is paying, in any kind of economic debate.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 11:57 AM
    If the guns came from Canada you would still be reasonably sure you would still have access to the manufacturing facilities if needed. There is not a realistic scenario in the near future where Canada would be politically or geographically isolated from the US. The same cannot be said for China. I don't get your point, or you just don't understand mine. When there's a single source of those microchips, and it can be cut off (through war or crisis), that's simply not a good thing, however you choose to frame it.
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  • Anti Federalist's Avatar
    Today, 11:55 AM
    We could. The Immigration Act of 1921 effectively shut down all immigration. The Emergency Tariff Act of 1921 allowed US agriculture to survive disruptions caused by the Great War and become what it is today, the last thing we make well. The Fordney McCumber Tariff of 1922 also was in place. The tariff was supported by the Republican Party and conservatives and was generally opposed by the Democratic Party, liberals, and progressives. One purpose of the tariff was to help those returning from World War I have greater job opportunities.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 11:45 AM
    I'm not entirely sure what "comfortable" or "meaningful" are supposed to denote here. But whatever lack of "comfort" I might have with my guns & ammo coming only from China, should I be any less "uncomfortable" with them coming only from Canada? Or even only from Texas? For example, why should I be more "comfortable" with a tariff of X% imposed on imported armaments than with, say, a tax of X% imposed by Democrats on domestic armaments (which would presumably also apply to imports as well)? Which is all the more reason to oppose tariffs on those items. And in the case of microchips, it's not just a matter of comparative advantage and division of labor. China, Indonesia, et al. have better access to more abundant sources of the necessary natural resources. As I noted in a previous post, there are very good reasons why households no longer make their own clothing. Artificially inducing them to do so again is not going to make them more prosperous in the short or long term. Nor will autarkic tariffs make America (or this or that state/locality) more prosperous or independent - and for exactly the same reasons. It will only serve to induce wasteful misallocations of capital for the sake of enriching some Americans (or state/local factions) at the expense of other Americans (or state/local factions), while making the former more dependent on a brittle tariff regime and the politicians & bureaucrats who implement it.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 11:38 AM
    Freedom in the market leads to efficiency, but not necessarily sovereignty. If you want sovereignty, there is always a price to be paid. I will always prefer sovereignty, over market efficiency.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 11:33 AM
    Property tax offends me because I laid claim to this plot of land years ago. It is mine. Income tax offends me because what I produce is the fruit of my own labor. Tariffs dont offend me, because I have laid no such claim to the borders of this country. I don't know who owns the borders but it sure as fuck isn't me.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 11:27 AM
    If Congress were to spend a week partying and sniffing coke off strippers asses and walked into Congress and threw darts at a board to decide which tariffs to collect or how much to collect, I would be fine with that. Tariffs do not offend me. The only thing I would ask, is a level of consistency. Don't go around adding and repealing tariffs every 3-4 years. Whatever they decide with tariffs, the market will adapt to it, and all will be well.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 11:20 AM
    A government with its only revenue from tariffs, would be naturally limited in how much revenue it could collect. Which is a very good thing.
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  • acptulsa's Avatar
    Today, 11:13 AM
    As for the logjam, shippers will rediscover the Panama Canal sooner or later. And all the ships which aren't too broad of beam to fit through it will suddenly become more valuable. I like it when California shoots itself in the foot. It works for me.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 10:56 AM
    Yep. And California seems well suited to separate as well. Good for them.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 10:51 AM
    If you take "Comparative advantage and division of labor" to its inevitable conclusion, you will end up with centralized manufacturing facilities, like we see today. From an economic perspective, it's great. Cheap shit is awesome. From a sovereignty perspective, there is nothing worse.
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  • acptulsa's Avatar
    Today, 10:50 AM
    If you like the Panhandle, you had better expect--and even woo--company. To invoke the secession clause of the Texas Constitution, you may have no choice but place the referendum before three Oklahoma counties, and significant portions of New Mexico, Kansas and Colorado. There may be no other legal way to do it.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 10:42 AM
    With China being the sole manufacturer of microchips in the world, there is no such thing as sovereignty. Except for China. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this I guess. I for one am thankful that Texas maintains its own independent power grid for example. It is one less thing in the way of Texas declaring its independence.
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  • acptulsa's Avatar
    Today, 10:41 AM
    The reason the U.S. pulled out of the unyielding terrain where empires go to die is because they suddenly decided the Taliban is useful again? That's the sort of fuzzy logic I'd expect from a brain capable of saying, "...has thrown spokes in the wheels of..." Since when do wheels mind spokes? So we're edging closer to middle eastern holocaust and WWIII. Or not. Can't tell anything by this tripe.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 10:35 AM
    I disagree that local production is the primary point of tariffs. But it doesn't actually matter: I previously addressed this:
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  • acptulsa's Avatar
    Today, 10:32 AM
    The "economic policy" of freedom was tested a hundred years ago. It worked so well it was called "The Roaring 'Twenties". We could do with another Roaring 'Twenties.
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  • acptulsa's Avatar
    Today, 09:51 AM
    And that means tariffs--a thieving, backed-by-violence top-down big government action--is the cure for psychotic big government? The cure for too many regulations within the borders is more regulations at the borders? If government is exercising too much power, we have to have a stopgap measure until we can take big, out of control government down a notch that involves government wielding more power, in other words, being ratcheted up a notch? Has government ever made America great? Or did America always enjoy greatness only when government did least? Enough band aids. Sooner or later we're going to address the heart of the actual problem, or be overwhelmed by it. And I'm not sure how much "later" we have left.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 09:47 AM
    OB would you be comfortable with all of your guns/ammo being shipped in from China, and not having any kind of meaningful manufacturing capabilities for those items within the US? It's a bit of a far fetched thought, but there are equally necessary items (such as microchips) where this is indeed the case. (I understand 3d printing may eventually change the calculus of this question, but we are not at that point yet)
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 09:44 AM
    But when it comes to hammer tariffs, it is "just Stanley" (and their fellow hammer-makers). All those other employers/employees/consumers/etc. who have to pay the price for Stanley's "tariff privilege" would like to "live a comfortable life and raise a family, and be part of and supportive of our nation and western civilization", too. Do they get to just kick rocks? How does forcibly taking money out of the pockets of American hammer-users and putting it into the pockets of American hammer-makers serve any of the good causes you mentioned? I posted this earlier, but it bears repeating:
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 09:44 AM
    One reason why 3d printing is so exciting is because it lets you produce things ultra-locally. There is a benefit to that, as there is as well with having the manufacturing facilities of critical items within arms reach.
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  • TheTexan's Avatar
    Today, 09:35 AM
    The primary point of tariffs is to produce something locally. So there is less logistics costs, and its accessible in times of crisis. There are diminishing returns on trying to get it ever more local. Within the borders of the US, is "close enough" for most goods/services. Within borders of Texas I would argue is even better. But beyond that there is not much point.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Today, 09:28 AM
    You single out China and California, but my point is that your logic applies just as much to Connecticut as it does to those two popular punching bags - or to any other arbitrary geopolitical divisions. (And the reasons for any given tariff - "protective" or "punitive" or whatever - simply don't matter. They are completely irrelevant to its consequences. A tariff of T% imposed for reason X will have exactly the same effects as a tariff of T% imposed for any other reason Y.) How does it benefit New Hampshire to impose tariffs on goods (including Stanley hammers) from Connecticut, and vice versa? And if it does, should it not also benefit Hillsborough county to impose tariffs on goods from Merrimack county, and vice versa? And if it does, should it not also benefit Manchester to impose tariffs on goods from Nashua, and vice versa? And if it does ...
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