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    Yesterday, 09:37 PM
    Why no response to anything I said in my previous post? It's easy to post scriptures like the one above, but it doesn't negate anything I said. I already mentioned this passage earlier. I was about to go over all the different interpretations of that passage (there are a few, from a vegetarian/vegan perspective) but I honestly was not intending to get into a Bible study tonight, and that is not even the topic of this thread anyway, so we can go into more detail on this at another time, on another thread. For now I'll say this. Picture in your mind a timeline. At the very beginning, you have God's perfect will (peace and harmony among all living beings, no violence, no killing, no meat eating)...And then at the end, when God restores that original design, once again you'll have God's perfect will. Everything in between is a symptom of this fallen world. Not God's perfect will, but in many cases God giving us over to what we want, due to the hardness of our hearts. So when you look at that timeline, and you see on the left and on the right, God's perfect will… and in the middle this fallen world… what should we, as Christians, aim for? Unless it is a matter of survival, why not honor God's original design and His ultimate plan which he is moving us toward, as we speak? Why not think about the condition of mankind overall, and question why there is so much disease, violence, corruption? Perhaps if we go back to how God originally designed us – to be peaceful, non-violent, and to eat a healthy plant-based diet – then we would see a reversal of these diseases and destruction of this beautiful earth God gave us stewardship of. Also, think about the fruit of the Spirit. What is more in line with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control – a slaughterhouse or a garden? :) Please answer honestly.
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    Yesterday, 07:45 PM
    Looks like somebody really messed up the landscaping.
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    Yesterday, 07:02 PM
    Again, the important thing is God's original design/intent, which is the same as God's ultimate plan, as prophesied in Isaiah and other places. Since God does not change, I believe it is wrong to dismiss God's original design by cherry picking verses that may at first glance appear to contradict it. There are a few different interpretations of that verse about Abel and his offering. The mainstream interpretation seems to be that once sin came into the world, that's when sacrifices were introduced, to of course foreshadow Jesus' sacrifice for our sin. Since this represented something very serious and horrible, it was not something to be done lightly. (And btw, nowhere in that text does it say they ate meat. In fact, that verse doesn't say that Abel killed anything, just that he brought God the best of his flock.) There are a couple other views on that passage… But I don't have time right now to get into all of that. Also, I think it's very important to know that God repeatedly said that he has no pleasure in animal slaughter and he never required it. (Psalm 51:16, Hosea 6:6, Jeremiah 7:22, Isaiah 1:11, Matthew 9:13, Hebrews 10:8, Psalm 40:6, Mark 12:33, Jeremiah 32:30, etc.) So when you put all that together – the heart of God, a heart of love, mercy, compassion, along with his very clear words in Genesis 1:29, and the numerous verses about his desire for mercy, not sacrifice…I think it is wrong to assume that God has no problem with what we are doing with animals.
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    Yesterday, 02:21 PM
    You're bringing up a different topic and I'm not sure what you believe because as Pete said on that other thread, it is all over the place… But it is certainly not the standard Christian belief. As for the verse about Adam naming the animals, that only confirms what I've been saying. God's original design which we saw in the Garden of Eden was peace and harmony, not a slaughterhouse. Adam was to take care of the animals, name them, and nowhere in Genesis 1 did God say "I created animals for you to eat and exploit." Genesis 1:29 is very very clear, don't ignore that verse. Abel being a keeper of sheep does not mean for the purpose of eating them. The Bible is also clear that meat eating wasn't permitted until after the flood, and it is argued that that was only because all the vegetation was dead and there would have been very little to eat at that time. If any meat eating did occur before the flood, it almost certainly would have been because the fallen angels who corrupted mankind taught them all sorts of demonic things, meat-eating being one of them. In fact, some extra biblical writings say just that, I can look it up and post it for you if you want. Not nearly as much as Coke or apple juice and things like that. Also, almond milk comes unsweetened. :)
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    Yesterday, 02:12 AM
    Speaking of that, I came across a shocking statistic today… I want to verify if this is true, but it’s very interesting. Apparently, many companies have a financial interest in keeping animal agriculture going. Of course people are eating this and it’s causing resistance… and people are getting sick which means they need more pharmaceutical drugs. And who benefits from that?
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    Yesterday, 01:24 AM
    This is a really good video, I highly recommend taking the time to watch it.
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    Yesterday, 01:18 AM
    OK, I see you’re joking now. As for the Scriptures, I was specifically talking about God‘s original purpose and design. Animals were not designed to be food. Fruits and veggies and food from the ground was. There is absolutely no denying that, it’s right there in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible. God‘s original design was a plant-based diet, and God‘s ultimate plan is a restoration of that original peace and harmony we had for short time in the garden of Eden. Everything in between is this fallen world and God gave us over to the things we wanted, but that doesn’t mean it was His idea or that He likes it.
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    02-18-2018, 10:51 PM
    There are numerous former dairy farmers who could no longer do it and ended up going vegan, who are now saying something very different than this Canadian farm. But if you would rather believe the ones who want to continue making a profit and not have their industry tarnished, then go right ahead. I'll stick with actual video footage anyone can see online, as well as numerous people who either grew up in that environment or worked as dairy farmers for years, who are telling it like it is.
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    02-18-2018, 10:43 PM
    Rationalizing. Of course there are some small farms that treat animals better than factory farms. But as they didn’t even deny, even on the small farms they take the babies away from the mothers, and the males are sold (or in some countries killed at a very young age, treated as garbage.) Dairy is a horrible industry and more more people are realizing that. That’s why the whole industry is dying, that’s why they needed to be bailed out. As for the absolutely asinine thing about plants, you brought that up before… You are way too smart to post things like that. God gave us fruits and veggies to eat, that is their purpose. It is either retarded or very very dishonest to compare slicing into an apple with slicing into a pig or cow.
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    02-18-2018, 09:35 PM
    Your source is dairy farmers.ca? That is their way of life and livelihood…what do you expect they’re going to say? I didn’t read anything past the BS line about mothers not having much motherly instinct. Not only is that demonstrably untrue, but it is very deceptive because what they’re failing to mention is that when you continue to take calves away from mothers over and over and over again, don’t you think eventually something is going to happen? I’m sure there’s some psychological issue going on there, due to that repeated cruelty of stealing their babies. It seems to me that people want to rationalize all this, in order to avoid making changes. I know, because I was there before. I remember when I used to eat meat and dairy, I would rationalize it by saying very similar things to what you’re saying. Now I see it completely differently, and I’m sad that I purposely failed to truly look into it, for many years… perhaps on some level knowing I wouldn’t like what I find. Coincidently, my sig is about this very issue.
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    02-18-2018, 07:48 PM
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    02-18-2018, 05:50 PM
    I hope you're not assuming that just because someone is against the animal industries that automatically means they are for "modern agriculture." Vegans who care about the environment are always looking for sustainable ways of doing things, that cause the least harm to this world. Many of them support buying locally from small farms… or growing their own food. But the fact of the matter is that the animal industries are the worst, on a number of levels. And you don't have to be so defensive. Of course it's your choice to do business with who you want. But that doesn't mean that others don't have the right to speak out and bring awareness to these cruel, selfish industries. While we are free to choose our actions, we are not always free to choose the consequences.
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    02-18-2018, 04:23 PM
    You were comparing milk to soda or sweet drinks… My point was that that's a terrible comparison, because people who ditch dairy typically go to almond milk, cashew milk, rice milk, soy milk, oat milk or other non-dairy plant-based milks… Not soda or juice. As for their use of the word responsible, I'd have to go check out the article to see the context. But most likely they were talking about how the animal industries are horrible in numerous ways, for example the tons of water and food it takes to feed livestock, the astronomical amount of waste (yes, actual shit) that ends up polluting lakes and causing all sorts of other problems, the disease, the chemicals used to treat the diseases, etc. etc.
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    02-18-2018, 04:12 PM
    That's what we've always been told, but studies have shown that dairy is linked to an increased risk of certain type of cancer. Plus you've got pus cells in milk, and in some cases, parasites. Also, even on the small, so called "humane" farms, the baby cows are still torn away from their mother… Usually at one day old. That is standard practice. And it's a cruel practice. Why be a part of causing suffering when you don't have to? (This next one is not a dairy farm, but it still shows how protective mothers are of their babies)
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    02-18-2018, 03:53 PM
    Ha ha… I was talking about the baby. Did you think I was talking about the mama?
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    02-18-2018, 02:39 AM
    Actually, typically people who stop drinking cow's milk replace it with a nondairy milk… such as almond milk or numerous other non-dairy plant-based milks. They taste good, they're nutritious, you don't have to worry about lactose intolerance, and best of all, you no longer have to participate in tearing a baby away from his mother, which causes distress to both the mother and the baby, in order to steal his milk. If you think there is something in this article that is false, then point it out and refute it. I'm just exposing that this industry is in bed with the government, the same government who created the now debunked food pyramid.
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    02-17-2018, 11:21 PM
    Same thing in the article I posted. From the article: Definition of pathological: "involving, caused by, or of the nature of a physical or mental disease."
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    02-17-2018, 06:21 PM
    Have you guys noticed that they're blaming Trump for this? But remember all those school shootings under Obama's watch? I never heard any of the Dems blame Obama. Also, maybe it's just me… but for some reason the public's reaction to this particular one feels different. There seems to be much more of an uproar and a collective call for the government to step in and do something.
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    02-17-2018, 02:51 PM
    Yep. It's a propaganda campaign. See this on slate: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/04/anger_causes_violence_treat_it_rather_than_mental_illness_to_stop_mass_murder.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_fb_ru Title: Mentally ill people aren’t killers. Angry people are.
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    02-17-2018, 02:12 PM
    Interesting stuff. I normally don't watch TV, but I'm visiting my mom right now and I was watching the news last night… And there was this one kid who blatantly looked like he was reading from a script...Not only the way he was speaking, but his eyes, and everything about it seemed so contrived. I thought to myself, am I the only one seeing this? This is absolutely crazy. I haven't looked into this one too closely yet, but based on what I learned so far, it seems to fit all the usual characteristics of a false flag.
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    02-17-2018, 02:04 PM
    Yeah, I realized that not long after I started posting. Still, the side of truth is needed on threads like that. Many of them are probably very young, and just misguided. But even if they are hopeless, there are others reading those threads and the truth needs to be stated. So much truth there, I love it! Thank you for sharing that. Sadly, his point of view is very unpopular… In fact, I've noticed that their latest thing is to mock when people say "Pray for (such and such place)." Their motto now seems to be "We don't need prayer we need stricter gun laws." Oh, and still blaming the NRA.
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    02-17-2018, 12:21 PM
    The Sandy Hook shooter wasn't on psychotropic drugs.
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    02-17-2018, 12:19 PM
    The guy in Vegas had a father who abandoned the family and went to prison.
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    02-17-2018, 10:31 AM
    I am a very happy person. I'm human, meaning we all have our struggles, but I'm generally a "glass half full!" kind of gal. Case in point - my husband's stroke. I can be sad about the limitations he faces, or I can be happy that still he walks and talks. Two things that people say to me in real life on a pretty regular basis are, "you're always so optimistic" and "you're got such a big heart." I am pretty comfortable in my skin. Life gets easier after you stop giving a crap what other people think. Unless that person has a badge that is. After he ad the stroke, I went back to work. I took a job that paid less than I usually earn because I can't leave him alone for long stretches. I work nights after he goes to bed. I spend the days helping him run the second-hand store because he can't be here by himself. I live on about 5 hours of sleep a night. I work 7 days a week. When I take vacation days, it's to take him to the doctor.
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    02-17-2018, 09:54 AM
    Both partners were expected to bring fidelity, but only the female was derided for being less than virtuous. Screw anyone who wants to go back to that. I think Donna is right. Ya'll need to step away from the internet and go back out into the real world. The media is lying to you. Women are still expected to raise the kids, and men are still expected to provide income. Yet it seems the biggest crying I hear from the testeronic minority is about income. Marriage has always been about income. The whole "romantic tale with a happy ending" is legend.
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    02-17-2018, 09:47 AM
    So much irony in this statement....
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