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Yes, but He says the bread is His body (broken for the forgiveness of sin). You're totally right that defining it makes it hard. That's why it's called a "mystery" as well as a sacrament. Transubstantiation has always been difficult to grasp, even for people much closer to Christ's time than us. Though I disagree with you, IMO, you're much more correct than "standard" Reformers. ~hugs~

That's what I was getting at. I wouldn't use correct punctuation or capitalization and I remember people commenting on it.

This is a perfect example of a typical CELTICEMPIRE post from 2010 (or even 2011):

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...&postcount=414

Where did you do that?

I saw that you got banned from TOL again, I'm guessing it was the drug thread?

First, I said that I only view it as being acceptable in a ticking time bomb situation, when millions of Americans would die if nothing was done. I doubt if that ever occurred, and I'm not defending anything that was done in the program. I think a better way to phrase it would be in such a situation, both choices would be evil. The choice of using torture would be evil, and the choice of doing nothing and allowing millions of Americans to die would be evil. You would then be left with the choice of deciding what the lesser of two evils would be.

I agree. I'm not one of these people defending the CIA torture program and what went on during that.

Torture is always inhumane. No one should ever want to torture anyone. But in the example that I gave, if a man's son was kidnapped, and the man came across someone who knew where his kid was, I don't believe it would be immoral for the man to torture that person in order to get information about where his son was. It wouldn't be any different than killing in defense of others, in my opinion. I believe that killing is almost always wrong, but not always. I believe that torture is almost always wrong, but not always. I also haven't seen any verse in the Bible which says that torture is wrong in every single situation.

I don't know. I may be more nuanced on this issue than you are, if I'm going to be honest. Read my reply to your post in the religion thread. You may want to neg rep me again.

If that cop specifically was involved in something egregious against Frein, maybe. Those details remain to be seen.