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    Today, 04:25 PM
    Evil genius is still genius. Just saying.
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    Today, 04:23 PM
    Yes you are. ^That is just simply not true. You can put all of the "walls of text" up that you want. You can falsely claim "Nobody uses the word the other way." It's just NOT true. Most of the time capitalism is state administered capitalism but it doesn't have to be. Most of the time socialism is state administered but it doesn't have to be. In fact it's in some ways easier to have socialism that is not state administered than it is capitalism. Every time I buy something and sell it at a profit I'm supposed to report it to the IRS and collect sales tax. But if I pool resources with people, if I share, if I engage in any type of communal living (other than marriage), there are no government goons breathing down my neck. So no. Nothing you've been saying is even kind of close to true.
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    Today, 02:48 PM
    And that's why dictionaries are important. And the dictionary says....you're wrong. But like a typical politician you'll spin the answer. You're being Fauci-like. "I am science." Or "I am the one who gets to decide what the definition is." Nope. Sorry. You don't. Exactly. But I was talking about a group of fellow believers! Which brings us full circle. What was described in Acts 2 id a type of socialism. Glad you finally agree.
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    Today, 02:14 PM
    Maybe being so close to Israel he got to see early on the data from Israel showing what a total failure mass vaccination is?
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    Today, 02:04 PM
    Anything can be debated. That said, have you read the book Animal Farm? At the end the "farmers" (capitalists) and the "pigs" (communists) bodies warp until the animals (us peons) looking from one to the other couldn't tell the difference. China is indeed becoming more capitalist as is Russia. America and Western Europe are indeed becoming more socialist. And all of the areas I just mentioned are becoming more statist and authoritarian. Socialism isn't a proxy for statism / tyranny / authoritarianism.
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    Today, 01:58 PM
    It's possible to have such a discussion, but 99.999% of the time, when the word "CAPITALISM" is used, what is meant is a State-administered CAPITALISM aka CORPORTISM aka FASCISM. Which is why it's best to choose some other, more descriptive word to avoid confusion. See what I did there? Nope. I am not "all over the map." You just don't want to accept the truth. You said you own your own body. The Bible says you don't. It's not that hard.
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    Today, 11:49 AM
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TheTexan again.
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    Today, 11:49 AM
    Right. It's not a legal argument. It's a moral argument. And you've just explained voluntary / Christian socialism. You act like you don't understand it, but clearly you do. It's illegal for a 21 year old to sleep with a 16 year old in some states. It's NOT legal in other states. Is in moral? Is it less moral than an 80 year old sleeping with a 18 year old? It's certainly legal for the 80 year old to sleep with the 18 year old. It's now legal for two men or two women to marry in every state in the union. But it's still a criminal offense in most states for one man to marry two women or vice versa even if the marriage is done in a private ceremony with no state involvement. Solomon and David would both have criminal records in modern America. Should a group of people (a church) be able to preach to its members from 1 Corinthians 6:19 and say "You can't be a part of this body of believers if you are out having illicit sex, doing drugs, listening to that bad music?" Should such a group of people (a church) decide not to continue to associate with people who didn't agree with their idea of what God thinks it's okay for Humans to do with His bodies that he lent to said humans for them to complete their spiritual journey own? I can tell you to give to the poor, stop sleeping with male and/or female hookers, don't get your eyelids pierced, and as long as you can tell me to "bugger off" and I can tell you "Well in that case you can't join my group" we still both have freedom.
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    Today, 11:38 AM
    Good question. Here's the Biblical answer: 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? Is that tyranny? Well....it depends. Do you think God is a tyrant? I don't. But some people do. Now, I don't think the state should be willy nilly enforcing what I believe God says is appropriate or not appropriate to do with one's body on everyone. That means I have to support people's right to make a choice about the body that they do NOT own because they neither created it nor redeemed it! Abortion is a special case because there is another created body inside the body that people think they own. But all the radical feminists shouting at the homes of the SCOTUS "My body my choice" would agree with you. So would the "libsoftiktock", those fun loving purple haired teachers that want to teach your children that they can "choose" whether or not they want to be a boy or a girl. I guess it's only a matter of time before it's acceptable for someone to teach children with body integrity dysphoria that they can "choose" to cut an arm or a leg off to fit with the mental ideal they have of themselves. Mmmmm.....okay. Only if you totally misunderstand the Bible and the nature of God. I get it. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. If you realize that God really owns everything and you're just a steward, and yes that includes your own body, then it's possible for you to live with a group of like minded believers who live for God and not for themselves. But as the Police would sing "We are spirits...in a material world." Or Madonna "We are living in a material world and I am a material girl."
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    Today, 11:00 AM
    Do you consider China socialist? They have billionaires. But you're missing the point of the Ananias and Saphira story. The people around them were VOLUNTARILY giving up private property! That's the point that you refuse to even acknowledge with your circular reasoning. In your mind, as long as someone can have private property, everybody by definition must have private property. That's simply not the case. People can be voluntarily socialist. They can even allow people in their company who aren't voluntarily socialist. Ananaias and Saphira experienced the social pressure to conform to those around them who were selling everything and holding all things in common, by pretending to sell everything and hold all things in common. If things were the way you're trying to pretend they were, there would have been no reason for A & S to pretend.
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    Today, 10:55 AM
    Good for you! You never would have joined the fellowship of early Christian believers in Jerusalem. And guess what? That would have been okay! Seriously, it would have. Believers outside of Jerusalem still largely kept whatever wealth they had. In fact, that's how they were able to participate in the "great donation" when Paul collected alms for the church in Jerusalem. Now someone might say "Those lazy Jerusalem Christians! Living off the Christians in Asia Minor!" But there was a very good reason not to be wed to land in Jerusalem. Some forty years after the ascension of Christ, Jerusalem was destroyed! The same Bible that extolled the virtues of each man having "according to his need" (main maxim of socialism) also said the Lord gave to His servants "each according to his ability" (the maxim of free market capitalism). Anyway, the question isn't "Do you want to give up everything you own" but rather "Would you like to participate in something that is collectively owned as opposed to privately owned?" Like....say...cryptocurrency. If you put your money in a traditional "bank" you're putting your trust in something owned by BankOfAmerica or Citibank or Goldman Sachs etc. Who owns the various blockchains? Nobody? Everybody? Oh, but many you're luddite like Anti Federalist. Okay. He's long complained about the ability of "big tech" to censor the private property they own. Like me, he misses the days of USENET. Guess what? USENET was collectively owned. Yeah, the servers were privately owned and each server could control who could log into it and what news groups to participate in, but other than that it was a free for all. (It still kind of sort of exists). Which brings us to Web 3.0, which is shaping up to be a compilation of crypto and USENET. Steemit (I think I learned about this from danno), is (was?) a blogging platform on a blockchain. It actually suffered a 51% attack (I think). So the faithful "steemit injuns" moved on to greener pastures and created https://hive.io. It's more resilient to a 51% attack, boosts two different video sharing platforms, several different blogging platforms, some games, decentralized finance etc. All without a central authority or "owner."
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    Today, 09:38 AM
    :rolleyes: Wiki? Really? From the freaking dictionary. Definition of socialism 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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    Today, 09:36 AM
    You're allowed to be wrong. Right. And there's more than one usage for the word "socialism" just like there's more than one usage for the word "capitalism." By the way, the game you and B4L are playing is the same game I see socialists play with the world "capitalism." I define capitalism as anything other than the current crony corporate capitalism and they are quick to say "But that's not capitalism." Ummm.....yes it is. And what the early church did in Acts 2 was a form of socialism whether you are willing to admit it or not. It also has an established meaning that is EXACTLY the way I'm using it.
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    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+media+coverage+causes+more+shootings&t=raspberrypi&ia=web https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296697/ Abstract Mass shootings are a particular problem in the United States, with one mass shooting occurring approximately every 12.5 days. Recently a “contagion” effect has been suggested wherein the occurrence of one mass shooting increases the likelihood of another mass shooting occurring in the near future. Although contagion is a convenient metaphor used to describe the temporal spread of a behavior, it does not explain how the behavior spreads. Generalized imitation is proposed as a better model to explain how one person’s behavior can influence another person to engage in similar behavior. Here we provide an overview of generalized imitation and discuss how the way in which the media report a mass shooting can increase the likelihood of another shooting event. Also, we propose media reporting guidelines to minimize imitation and further decrease the likelihood of a mass shooting.
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    Today, 02:42 AM
    Jordan Peterson had a pretty long discussion about this. While he agree with your point about "living up to one's potential causes income inequality", he went on to say that in a healthy society there is some way to balance that out. And that way doesn't have to be statist. For example he mentioned the native Canadian tribes ancient tradition of the "pot latch" where chiefs who had accumulated lots of stuff where honored by how much they gave away. the-uncomfortable-truth-behind-economic/2efb0363d6cc3b8e9c12babce4154c66f4c0c01d The Hebrew religion also had something to balance out income inequality. It was the Year of Jubilee. That year all family land that to be returned to the original owner, debts were cancelled, and Hebrew slaves were freed. (See: https://insight.bibliotech.us/jubilee-forgiveness-of-debt/) Interestingly enough, the Lord Himself claimed ownership of the land and that's why it couldn't be permanently sold, except for houses inside walled cities. (Leviticus 25:23 ¶ The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.) Instead, we have a society where the government ultimately owns the land. Don't pay your taxes? Lose your land. Make a bad business deal? You can lose your land. One of your cousins twice removed decides he wants to sell his 2 acre share in the family 2,000 acre plot because he wants to buy his trophy wife that boob job and butt lift she wants? You guessed it, you can lose your land. There are some aspects of the Hebrew religion still in our law such as debt forgiveness through filing for bankruptcy and prohibitions on usury...with loopholes where people still charge usury anyway.
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    Today, 02:26 AM
    Michael Moore: We Need Moratorium on Gun Sales — ‘Time to Repeal the 2nd Amendment’ https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/05/24/michael-moore-we-need-moratorium-on-gun-sales-time-to-repeal-the-2nd-amendment/ PAM KEY 24 May 2022 Leftist activist and filmmaker Michael Moore said Tuesday on “MSNBC Prime” that America needs to repeal the 2nd Amendment in response to a deadly mass shooting at a Texas elementary school today. Moore said, “We will not acknowledge that we are a violent people, to begin with. This country was birthed in violence with genocide of the native people at the barrel of a gun. This country was built on the backs of slaves with a gun to their backs to build this country into the country that we got to have. We do not want to acknowledge or two original sins here that have a gun behind the ability behind our ability to become who we became.”
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    Today, 02:19 AM
    Uhhhh....nope. Not even kind of true. They got wiped out because they had no immunity to European disease and hadn't invented gun powder. Even the "civilized" tribes like the Aztecs and Incas who had European style feudalism got wiped out.
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    Today, 02:14 AM
    Makes my point...when the more powerful tribe came along, not from over the hill but from across the ocean, they got wiped out. In large part because the concept of private property and it's defense, was foreign to them.
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    Today, 02:11 AM
    Because....that's what it actually is. Why does the accurate label bother you? And why do you describe a voluntary agreement as "temporary?" Just because people can voluntarily leave something doesn't mean they must. But, technically, everything is "temporary" even empires. There is no reason a group of people cannot indefinitely share resources. This entire planet "shares" the ocean. I recall that not too long ago people on this forum where vehemently arguing against the "L.O.S.T." treaty as statist overreach. Do you think billionaires like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates should be able to buy up the ocean?
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    Today, 02:08 AM
    Living up to one's potential causes income "inequality".
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    Today, 02:05 AM
    Tell that to all of the Indian tribes who banded together and fought to defend their collective happy hunting grounds. In fact a strong argument can be made that there's more incentive for a group of warriors to band together to defend they land they own together than to band together the defend they land they all own individually.
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    Today, 01:58 AM
    Without both the concept and practical defense of property rights being "baked into" a system of society, nothing will prevent the stronger warriors or the better armed of the commune or ranch over the hill from coming and taking yours when the need or desire arises.
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    Are you sure about that? http://www.mutualist.org/ Mutualism, as a variety of anarchism, goes back to P.J. Proudhon in France and Josiah Warren in the U.S. It favors, to the extent possible, an evolutionary approach to creating a new society. It emphasizes the importance of peaceful activity in building alternative social institutions within the existing society, and strengthening those institutions until they finally replace the existing statist system. As Paul Goodman put it, "A free society cannot be the substitution of a 'new order' for the old order; it is the extension of spheres of free action until they make up most of the social life." Other anarchist subgroups, and the libertarian left generally, share these ideas to some extent. Whether known as "dual power" or "social counterpower," or "counter-economics," alternative social institutions are part of our common vision. But they are especially central to mutualists' evolutionary understanding. Mutualists belong to a non-collectivist segment of anarchists. Although we favor democratic control when collective action is required by the nature of production and other cooperative endeavors, we do not favor collectivism as an ideal in itself. We are not opposed to money or exchange. We believe in private property, so long as it is based on personal occupancy and use. We favor a society in which all relationships and transactions are non-coercive, and based on voluntary cooperation, free exchange, or mutual aid. The "market," in the sense of exchanges of labor between producers, is a profoundly humanizing and liberating concept. What we oppose is the conventional understanding of markets, as the idea has been coopted and corrupted by state capitalism.
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    Yesterday, 10:43 PM
    Correct. Incorrect. The early church in Jerusalem was a kind of "libertarian socialism." Acts 2:44-45 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
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    18 Students, 3 Adults Dead, Dozens Injured in Texas Elementary School Shooting https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/05/24/active-shooter-targets-south-texas-elementary-school/ RANDY CLARK and BOB PRICE 24 May 2022 An active shooter situation in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, left 18 children and three adults dead. A hospital report also states that 14 children and at least one adult are being treated by hospitals in Uvalde and San Antonio. The shooter was killed by responding police, the governor added.
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    Yesterday, 11:36 AM
    No....because I never took the first shot.
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    Very informative on so many levels. I wonder how many kids not only get pushed into being trans because their parents freak out about them playing with the wrong gender toys, but also get pushed into being gay? Maybe play should just be looked at as play. In general dysphorias are correctly looked at as mental conditions. For example body integrity dysphoria where someone things he or she should be an amputee. People with B.I.D. report feeling "whole" after cutting off a limb. https://academicjournals.org/journal/IJPC/article-full-text-pdf/B8D4DF467776#:~:text=The%20term%20body%20integrity%20dysphoria%20%28BID%29%20describes%20a,desire%20of%20the%20affected%20person%20to%20have%20a But nobody would suggest amputation as a "treatment."
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    music director at the Catholic Church I went to removed all references to God as he and used gender neutral terms instead. Two priest did nothing about it. In the Orthodox Churches that I've gone to not just the priest and bishops would not have put up with that, but neither would the congregation. The reason the Orthodox is Orthodox world wide despite separation by land, language and nationalities is that the congregation wants to be Orthodox.

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