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    Today, 12:46 AM
    LIFESKILLS: LEARNING TO MARKET MY MUSIC ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND FINDING A FENCING TEACHER. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FENCE TILL MY SPRAIN HEALS UP ENOUGH THAT I CAN DO MY USUAL MARTIAL SHTUFF.
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    Yesterday, 11:16 PM
    URGENT: Want to help Re-Elect Nebraska State Senator Laura Ebke for Legislature? Her campaign needs phone banking volunteers. Email Jeremy (campaign manager) @ Ebkeforlegislature@gmail.com. He will set you up. Her primary election is May 15.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:03 PM
    My life has changed!!!! Oh, no....wait....
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:50 PM
    SMFH. If they were to be consistent, they would also have to ban Torah (at least the Pentateuch), and IIRC Talmud and Koran. #Thoughtcrimes
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:30 PM
    Now you are literally hallucinating. I'm here arguing for free markets.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:21 PM
    Maybe you should fucking look up the definition of monopoly. But allow me to quote from the same article you oddly decided would be good fodder:
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:20 PM
    Liberals and Libertarians agree that public/private collusion is a bad thing. It's just the solutions we disagree on. Human nature is human nature...Amazon isn't going to pay .01 more than they have to. Workers aren't ever going to go home at night and say, "Yes, that's a perfectly fair wage for this job that requires very little special skills." And politicians are going to use tax money to buy votes.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:38 PM
    Some shocking un-libertarian shenannigans going on in this thread, Angie. :eek:
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:21 PM
    Insisting that evil Amazon should be forced into paying over a market wage means you're siding against the free market. We can agree that this isn't a free market, but moar force isn't the Libertarian solution. Let the workers starve. When they reach a point where they can't pay their bills any longer, their children are hungry at night, they will seek employment elsewhere, or they will seek a way to make themselves more valuable . Or they'll vote for people who promise to force Amazon to pay them more even though they're not worth more. Congratulations - you win. I can't stand the appeal to emotion nonsense. My life is 10 times harder than that of some guy working at an Amazon warehouse. If I can do it, so can he.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:16 PM
    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be 'cured' against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” -- C.S. Lewis, "God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)"
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  • acptulsa's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:53 AM
    And is not giving SNAP and/or Section 8 to working people an intervention that distorts the labor market? There was a time--I remember it--when full time workers were not eligible for such benefits. There's yet another case of conservatives shooting conservatism in the foot. If people who don't work deserve it, how is it that people who do work don't deserve it? That's just a dog whistle argument for corporate welfare. If a person can work sixty hours a week and have to choose between being homeless and eating, or having shelter and starving, that person is not going to do that job. The only reason these people do these jobs is because the taxpayer is picking up the slack. Which means the taxpayer is enabling the CEO and the stockholders to pocket more. Yes, of course the CEO is going to do that, if the taxpayers are dumb enough to put up with it, and the stockholders won't complain either. There's nothing free market about it. People owing their souls to the company store, people working for a wage which doesn't allow them to meet their basic necessities for survival, does not happen in a free market. It does not happen. People do not work for the right to starve to death. Suggesting such a thing is 'free market' is laughable. The State is intervening in the labor transaction to Amazon's benefit. And Amazon is using political clout to ensure it continues. They are paying politicians with money that should be going to their employees. The labor market is distorted. If the State weren't making it possible for Amazon employees to survive, they would leave the company and find a way to survive. To say that libertarians should defend Amazon because it's an enterprise is laughable. When the corporations are in bed with the politicians, you have fascism, and fascism is no more free market than socialism. And the more libertarians babble about how enterprises are good no matter what--even to the point of winking at obvious distortions of markets and turning a blind eye to fascism--the less people looking for the answers the media obviously isn't giving them will look to libertarians for those answers.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:41 AM
    What about the children? Some people don't have time to go look for better jobs. It's not easy for everybody. Why are you so mean???
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:39 AM
    Oh, the condescension.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:36 AM
    Exactly. If the labor market was tight, wages would rise dramatically. This whole "people can't be bothered to go look for a better job!" and "Life isn't easy!" stuff is ridiculous. Thats what charity is for - not government.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:06 AM
    It's regulated AF, but not totally State controlled *yet*. They're working on it, tho. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 09:17 PM
    lilymc replied to a thread What's for dinner? in Open Discussion
    Chili beans over rice. It was deeelicious.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 09:10 PM
    No, we aren't. They aren't a monopoly by any definition of the word. They aren't unique, either.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 08:27 PM
    "Seem" being the key word. They may well offer the value to the company they get paid for all you know. What people earn in the private sector is none of your damn business.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 08:24 PM
    This^^ People buy from Amazon for the brand and convenience. Plenty of times I've bought from ebay, etc because the item in question was cheaper.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 07:21 PM
    That's absurd.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 07:20 PM
    Option C - Nothing. Labor is a commodity, the price rises and falls with demand.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 07:00 PM
    There's this thing called the Division of Labor, bro. Amazon isn't going to magically suck people up into jobs they don't want just to destroy the community. *dramatic Michael Moore-esque scene here* Amazon jobs are low-skill and even in small communities would only draw people who are interested in such work anyway. And since value is subjective, we know plenty of people value working locally over working for national brands.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 06:44 PM
    So the answer then is no, Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on labor. Like I said above, Mexicans can walk from Baja to Birmingham and find work. But Americans can't travel 200 miles to improve their own lives? Like Tom Woods said, I'd be freaking embarrassed if I was so worthless I worked at a place for a decade and couldn't convince a single person anywhere that I was worth more than minimum wage.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 06:39 PM
    Nobody said poor people are lazy. What I am saying is that markets determine wages, and there's no such thing as a "reasonable" wage.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 06:35 PM
    No. Labor is a commodity.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 06:32 PM
    Not the problem of the employer, and not the responsibility of the federal government. Here's a hint: price floors create a surplus.
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  • ChaosControl's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 06:32 PM
    I realize that. They just happen to be two of the most known corporations. The thing is even these unskilled workers are fulfilling a need and working the same just as anyone else. It is not unreasonable to expect they be compensated in a way they can actually live a decent life. But yes the anger should be directed at the overall situation of unequal power between employer and employee rather than just two well known corporations.
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  • angelatc's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 06:31 PM
    Plus rep. Enough of the "these poor people can't take care of themselves!" nonsense. Freaking Mexicans walk 1200 miles and find jobs in a country where they don't even speak the language. They don't qualify for food stamps, yet I haven't seen their starved corpses on the side of the road.
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  • ChaosControl's Avatar
    04-22-2018, 06:27 PM
    Not an easily attainable option for all. I am satisfied with my own situation and enjoy my job. But not everyone has that luxury for various reasons. Expecting a floor is not really unreasonable especially from mega corps with billionaire executives. If the corps dont pay reasonable wages the government will fill the role by way of necessity as charity generally cannot make up the slack since it is so one sided. If corporations paid reasonable wages then charity could cover the other situations where assistance is required. A lot of people fall on bad situations or just have no options from the beginning. Working hard to get out of a situation is not as simple as it may sound for many, especially if they have kids to support.
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