parocks
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When Trump is President - cops = bad When Biden is President - cops = good

I guess I don't care much about you or your opinions. Especially when you want to discuss what you want to discuss and not what I'm talking about. Remember, we're talking about Pat Buchanans article. We're not having a conversation about "whether Trump is actually a Conservative, in the opinion of a Liberal, who wants to trash Trump". Here's some background. The GOP has always been a fight between the Liberal side and the Conservative side. The GOP voters like the Conservative candidate. The MSM and the elites want the Liberal or RINO candidate. Ron Paul ran 12 years ago, everyone should know this, this is conventional wisdom. The MSM always is working overtime to get the GOP to pick a Liberal / RINO candidate. And they usually succeed. I think I already typed about the history with specific candidates, and Buchanan said the same.

yeah, maybe. The candidate that the conservatives like = the conservative candidate. The ham sandwich is not going to screw Trump the way that Romney and McCain did. Again, we always lose. It doesn't really matter what variety of conservative outsider it is. The Democrats + RINOs will join together to defeat the conservative, and the results of the conservatives adminstration will not appear conservative. So, who knows? Maybe Trump didn't increase the amount of money given to planned parenthood as quickly as the Democrat or the RINO would have? I can go back through Trumps record and find conservative things there.

Every election cycle there are a handful of RINOs and a handful of conservatives running. Jeb Bush was the top RINO in 2016, fox hyped Trump for months and ignored Rand, because fox didn't want Rand. But Trump and Rand were competing for the same block of conservative votes.

Less war, if less war is conservative. Getting fucked by Democrats. That's something that happens to conservatives. There really wasn't much. Some regs were removed. How did Reagan end up doing? We ALWAYS LOSE. But, Trump got conservative votes, was competing with Rand for the "Conservative" vote in the primaries in 2016.

I read the Buchanan article. Buchanan understands this the same basic way as I do. Trump is the GOP outsider, the conservative. Buchanan mentions that in 1964 it was Goldwater vs Romney / Rockefeller. And on the Goldwater side, through time, it was Reagan, Buchanan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Trump.

If Trump isn't President, lets use the term reelected, Trump is done, people won't want anything to do with him. The same people who like Trump also liked Ron and Rand and Buchanan too. The conservative, non RINO faction of the GOP. But if Trump becomes Jimmy Carter with the 1 term only - Trump is totally done and it's on to the next one. Rand Paul is a great bet. Rand did not screw Trump over in any way that Trump likers cared about and maybe never at all. On the other hand, "elections"? What's the point? Elections are rigged in this trash country.

where is NEVER?

Voting? Can't we just assume these elections were rigged in favor of the Democrats? We're watching stolen elections this year, and there's plenty of evidence. Earlier, maybe not as much evidence. I'd recommend to stop blaming voters, when it's criminals at the top doing the stealing. Lie, cheat, steal. It's what works.

Agreed. But. Often, the lobbying groups are dominated by chains, and those chains would actually prefer no smoking and fewer competitors. Things were a lot better when I was 21.

What's the total amount? I heard something like $2.4 TRILLION? 300 Million people in the country? more like 330, but i'll do 300 M. 300,000,000 2,400,000,000,000 3 24000

This country is total shit, and if you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Democrat Governors have destroyed the economy, have become dictators in doing so, and are stealing elections. I don't care about the difference between $600 and $2000. It's ALL BAD, except handing out checks is not new. And you're a liar if you're saying "The bill as Trump wants it to be" contains all the money for foreign companies and all the various changes in the laws. Trump will do checks, but doesn't want all the Democrat garbage that's in there. You should know full well that's what's going on. It's a Democrat wish list, like it always is. But it's taking place within the context of the evil Democrats in the states being dictators and destroying the economy. Maybe people would be happier with starvation if they saw Democrat politicians hanging from ropes?

Everything is worse than it's ever been. So, everything is the worst policy it's ever been. All conservatives get free guns and all the bullets they want. Good policy? Bad policy in the fantasy land free market world of Adam Smith, the Wealth of Nations, 1776. Long long ago. But we're looking at a dystopian nightmare dictatorship, and if we all got free guns and free bullets, maybe we get a fighting chance. If this bill is signed by Trump, this is the worst it's ever been. We've never had less freedom. But if this bill is vetoed, by Trump, well, in that case, this is the worst it's ever been. We've never had less freedom.

You're right. You'd think that the message board of GOP candidates, politicians Ron and Rand Paul wouldn't be a place where conservatives have to fight with liberals, but no.

Am in agreement w/ Gunny on all of this.

I don't think that I'll get one. I didn't get one either last time. Most of the money is going to other countries, as I understand it.

I remember when people here were bashing Rand Paul for one thing or another. Libertarians are terrible allies. But, again, elections don't matter any more. We're getting killed soon. Way to stay home guys!

did we get "the storm is upon us"?

Yes, Rand could win an Outsider GOP / Conservative / Libertarian / Populist popularity contest. Those are all the same side, except the Libertarians would rather lose than support a candidate who isn't 100% with them 100% of the time. Not all, but some here. Last time around, Fox wanted Jeb Bush, knew that Rand needed to be knocked out, pumped Trump to hurt Rand, and Trump had too much momentum for Jeb to overcome. Rand winning or not winning is determined in large part by who the other choices are. About bad guys - yes, Rand would be better at getting rid of the bad guys than a RINO would be. Like I said before, the outsider GOP, the consefvatives, the populists, the libertarians, the Christians, all do a fairly similar job of identifying the bad guys. And they differ as to their solutions. The MSM, the RINOs, whatever term you want to use for the political faction of the GOP that the media wants to sell to our side, they come up with McCain, Romney and Bush. That's one side, and, our side comes up with Buchanan, Ron/Rand and Trump. Team RINO only comes up with something like "we're a milder version of the Democrats, you'll get 99% with us, and 100% with the Democrats." This website is ronpaulforums. Ron Paul (and Rand) are GOP, they ran for President and were and are politicians who are GOP. In order to win the nomination, they need votes from people who don't like it that things are garbage now, and that means pointing out the bad guys, and stringing together some solution plan for the awful. I should point out that's been conventional wisdom for a while, the new model might just be that elections don't matter, and fire is all that's left. I don't want to be arguing against that, it's tricky to pivot on a dime, maybe elections are a worthless joke and fire and bullets are the only way. Libertarians are as bad as they come at being allies in normal politics.

Rand and Trump are both outsider GOP. Ron and Rand's people, voters, are outsider GOP, many who were willing to go along with the current flavor of outsider GOP message. Things are fucked, there are bad people doing bad things, we're going to fix those problems. Yay! The solutions proposed by Ron/Rand and Trump aren't exactly the same, but both Ron/Rand and Trump are holding the same list of bad guys, maybe it's not identical, but it's a list that has a lot of the same names as the list that the outsider GOP voter has. Problem with the deep state? Trump tweets disapproval, promises to do something about the bad ones. Ron/Rand, will shut down all the government that the deep state lives in. CIA? gone. You'll find that Buchanan and Ron Paul and Trump have a lot of the same outsider GOP voters, who aren't staying home (like some libertarians, who won't choose the better one, only the perfect one) because the "how to solve the bad guy problem" has different solutions.