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I don't want to speak out of turn here, but... people form their own opinions/conclusions and believe what they want to believe, whether or not its based on fact or fiction. IOW: everybody has an a$$hole too.

:tears: Occam's Banana has a point. Whenever I tell a verified story I usually get the third degree :tears: :up:

Bingo. But, the border is not "open" as many claim. That is msm/government propaganda which is used to make people want the government to "do something". The border is closed. Meaning, when people come from other places, whether it's for work, pleasure, or simply to immigrate, they are checked and processed and given permission by government goons to enter/leave. In the case of immigrants, they are being funneled into check points, at which they are processed, and given paperwork to become "legalized". Once "legalized", they work according to government regulations and taxation, including "minimum wage", and allowed access to government programs and benefits on the tax payer dime. Years ago before government was so entrenched, immigrants were able to cross the border freely as jmdrake noted earlier. For those concerned about "wide-spread catastrophic diseases which would end the worlds population as we know it!!!", a simple medical check would suffice. If we returned to undocumented rather than "illegal", that would ease the burden of the tax-payer, and after work-season is over immigrants could simply return back home freely as they did years ago. But the government considers people as cattle/slaves and would rather keep them "legalized" in order to obtain more tax money, while draining the tax payers who foot the bill. It is a vicious cycle where the left feed the right feed the left. And in order to clamp down tighter to "fix the problem" that they created, more police-state is implemented where government public/private contractors rake it in.

Yep. And with the way things are, the last thing I'm worried about are some poor immigrants getting a job mowing lawns or working a factory that Americans don't want. I'm for self-preservation and each and every one of my rights. Which include staying and living as free as I can, or the option to bolt the f&ck out of here without being civil asset forfeitured. Nobody cares about fiscal responsibility anymore with regard to anything/everything under the sun, except for poor immigrant. What's another few billion on top of the debt this nation has and the amount they spend on foreign intervention. It ain't gonna stop. The Fed Hits the Panic Button and Slashes the Fed Funds Rate

One caveat... you said "up until about 1960 or so". 1913 was pretty significant and got their ball rolling fast.

For starters, the Anti-Federalists were right. Not the one on this board, though, he was the outcast black sheep who sided with the central planners :tears:

You mean before the time when you said: "That utopia did exist back in the 1900's. It was called America." See how bad government really is? It really is bad for ones health!

And once government got involved, all bets were off. You just proved my and Jacob's point :up:

You're still in that ridiculous left/right paradigm so it's moot to even discuss. Follow the Money, for starters. I think it's best that one starts defending/protecting ones own rights before advocating "solutions" that are designed to enslave one further.

lol that's one Utopia that doesn't exists. That's like me wishing for government to not come to work for the rest of the year lol And even if government did not come to work for a year, it would a vast, vast, very vast improvement over what we have now.

Some points from the OP: - The business lobby pays think tanks that advocate for lower taxes and fewer regulations, while the defense industry gives money to the most hawkish groups who advocate more military spending and more war. - A recent report lays out a shopping list of U.S. weapons that would help the Israeli military, including Excalibur artillery projectiles, JDAM bomb guidance systems, and Javelin missiles. Those weapons are manufactured by Raytheon, Boeing, and Lockheed Martin, respectively, all of whom are among CSIS’ top funders. - European countries, CSIS also*insisted, must “pull their weight” in NATO, transforming their societies into ones every bit as militarized as the U.S., for the sake of “global democracy.” - The Atlantic Council, for instance,*policed*European nations’ NATO spending in an attempt to pressure them to purchase more arms and has*advocated*that the U.S. create a new “Indo-Pacific intelligence coalition” that would ramp up tensions with China.

Like me, I don't think he cares much about where people want to live. He is against the policies and government intervention which ultimately restrict human beings liberties and freedoms. But, conversely, I do know where obtuse right-wing people stand, and it has nothing to do with liberty/freedom or defunding those orgs. After all, there's big, big money in police-state apparatus these days. But, to each his/her own.

Bingo. Which can be easily solved if/when the people have had enough and no longer want to support paying taxes for such things. Meantime, I am not willing to sacrifice or forfeit my liberty/freedom if/when/until that happens, if it ever or never does, whichever the case may be.

I've been to Mexico more times than I can even count and the end goal is to retire there. Their government is very strict on acquiring legal status and will not bend, so I doubt that is happening. I think she doesn't know the difference between ID cards so lumps them in just like most Amerikans do. I'll stick with "She's probably a victim of the pubic skool system and doesn't know the difference" lol.

lol I'd bet the former. Getting documents in Mexico requires 4 years + attorney costs. I know because I have one ;-)

The title: "Right-Wing Obtuseness on Immigration" fits to the tee. So your final consensus is that because tax-payer money assists in bringing them here, as well as companies who need workers, and the fact that that will never change, we should embrace enslaving ourselves and promote the police-state that is being welcomed by the Right-Wing Obtuseness on Immigration. Got it :up::100:

Credibility: The influx is Haitian, but she says all of the the ID's that she checked were "Mexican". + REP

That is covered in the article. Perhaps you should have read it. Oh, and there is no error in his logic. Again, if you would have read it.

Many folks can't recite the Bill of Rights, or even know them in order. Many folks brush the Bill of Rights to the side when it favors their own agenda. That said... If the Bill of Rights were never amended to it, would your sentiment toward the Constitution change? Why isn't there a "Bill of Rights Day"?

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again." I also watched the whole video :up:

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He forgot to wear his debt clock. Maybe that would've done the trick.

Are you kidding? You are forgetting that this is America, the "land of the free and the home of the brave". The place where they give passes for Trump banning bump stocks, advocating raising the age to 21, and signing into law Fix NICS. Don't you remember what happened in Katrina? They only won't like if Kamala does it, not Trump.

It was reported that when they had the problem they had TNR resolve the problem which many areas do.

No matter how much we show them, they will never understand the magnitude of the psyop, but instead make some kind of justification and excuses for them.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again."