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    Today, 05:03 AM
    I would like to note in amendment to my previous post that I am speaking from a position of faith. I believe that we should choose to act morally because we do not know what we are predestined for. That is, I think we will eventually be judged by God based on our moral character. However, in seeing this particular post by osan, I noticed that he took for granted Kant's argument that "if we are not free to choose, then it is meaningless to say we should choose to behave morally." I, however, disagree with that notion. It may appear to be a logical contradiction on the face of it, but if you consider the context, it becomes clear that the existence of an illusion separate from reality does not preclude the validity of illusory experiences. Although the illusion isn't real, per se, it does not necessarily mean that the illusion should be treated as a falsehood. Rather, it should be treated as a designated component of the overall reality. We should not simply assume that the illusion is meaningless, for it could have a purpose, and that purpose can be explained as such: We don't know what the future will hold for us because we don't know God's plan, so it follows that we cannot assume any particular outcome in reality just by virtue of knowing that we live in an illusion. Therefore, we should treat the illusion of free will as valid because, although anything we "choose" to do will have been pre-destined when we actually do it, we could not have assumed that outcome, so we are forced to behave morally even given the knowledge that our experiences are illusory. This explanation would be incomplete, however, if it did not include the intent of God. The explanation given in the article that notes that people who read articles pro-deterministic would behave less morally than those who read neutral articles does not consider the intent angle, which is an extremely important angle to consider if one truly wants to understand the reason why the subjects reacted to the articles in such a way. It very well could be that the article, speaking from a secular point of view, instilled or somehow introduced the view that determinism is true, but left out the intent. In this way, the reader was swayed to assume that, not just determinism, but secular determinism, was favored. Without intent, it would indeed seem that life was basically pointless and choosing to behave morally was futile, but knowing that there is intent behind the illusion created provides one with the knowledge that they have a purpose despite the fact that their life is already determined, and faced with the ultimate realization that they don't know what they are determined to be, they must choose to act morally within the illusion so that they can ensure that their experience within the illusion matches to the written intent of God so as to make sure that they do not end up rebelling and finding out that they were one of the unfortunate ones who were determined for the lesser fate come the day of judgment when they finally see what the reality was. Note, however, that I said "lesser fate" and not "damnation" because I do not actually believe in eternal hell fire or damnation, which is another interesting topic to consider at another time, but is not necessary for the purpose of proving my point here, which is that it is most definitely possible to know you are in an illusion and still have the capacity to act morally as if the illusion were real because you know that there is intent behind the illusion and not just a vast expanse of meaningless nothingness.
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    Today, 04:03 AM
    The title of this article pretty much sums up my beliefs. There's no free will, but we might as well believe in it because we simply don't know what we were predetermined for, so effort is still necessary since knowing that you are determined for something doesn't really help you know just what that is.
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    05-21-2016, 09:35 PM
    Oh, come on. Stop it with the fear-mongering. This is not genetically possible. What they're doing is taking stem cells and growing them into human organs in an unfamiliar environment. That does not enable the creature to actually reproduce with genes from that body part. You can't put an organ from one kind of an animal into another and expect it to inherit the ability to crossbreed with that animal, nor can you expect the mere existence of a foreign living body inside another creature's body to make any changes in the genetic makeup of its offspring. The DNA from a foreign organ doesn't just "leak" its way into an animal's reproductive system and change its genetic makeup. The genetic make up of the creature, despite having a sort of non-malignant tumor in its body, does not change... AT ALL. People who spout this crap are just gullible, fear-mongering idiots who latch onto it because they can somehow link it to their distrust of government. Not being a complete ignoramus, however, I know that this is not the gateway to some sort of freaky sci-fi world in which we're not entirely human because a human lung somehow sprouted the ability to force its way into another animal's gene pool by, I dunno, osmosis or some other sciency word I can't quite grasp the meaning of. Body parts, in and of themselves, play no part in the reproduction process because the information is already there, you know, in the reproductive system. The reproductive system of an organism doesn't just grab genetic information from all the separate parts, foreign or domestic, that happen to be present at the time and mash them all together. The corruption of a creature's physical make-up through artificial means in no way suggests that the creature's ingrained natural tendency to reproduce after its kind regardless of what may have happened to the creature during its lifetime is in any way compromised.
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    05-21-2016, 09:11 PM
    I don't know, why don't you tell us? How would the world be if that were the case? Do you really know any more than the rest of us? Stop pretending like you know the answers. Nobody fights ALL the rules, but sometimes it is worth fighting them if an otherwise good organization is being corrupted by a couple of assholes. Now why don't you tell me, what would the world be like if we just bent over and took it all the time? Would that be a world you want to live in?
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    05-21-2016, 09:06 PM
    Well, I'm glad you're happy with it, but some of us are a bit less complacent in our attitude toward the monstrosity that is the American justice system. I've seen the other side of the fence and I have no plans of going back. If it comforts you that your cage is a little bigger than a high-schooler's, then be my guest, but don't expect us all to just bend over and take it up the ass for the sake of your "society" when all it really is is a really big adult kindergarten where you can be killed or have your life ruined for breaking the rules.
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    05-21-2016, 08:54 PM
    I think the problem is that it appears the rules actually didn't apply until his graduation day. The rule was never enforced and then suddenly they want the valedictorian to shave? Sorry, school bureaucrats, but you don't just get to change and enforce rules willy nilly. If I were him, I wouldn't cut off part of my face just to comply. And yes, it is part of his face, considering that's how people see him and know him. Going through such an important moment of your life with your tail between your legs is no way to live life. It would be a travesty to succumb to such idiotic rules and edicts such that you lose your identity in the process and are silently forced to become something that you're not for the sake of bending to the will of the establishment. Nope, not for me, thanks.
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    05-15-2016, 05:17 PM
    Yes, I do use that word. Was that a question?
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    05-15-2016, 04:26 PM
    Hey, I said it was disturbing, didn't I?
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    05-15-2016, 04:20 PM
    Oh my God... that photo looks disturbingly real... and disturbingly attractive.
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    05-15-2016, 09:21 AM
    I'm glad I'm gone, too. You don't have to read my messages if you don't want, but I really think you people can learn something if you stop being snarky smartasses and stop long enough to give a shit. What I'm saying is true and it has a lot of value. People just don't like it because I guess they still have a thing about anything associated with the label "communism" no matter what the reality may be. Likewise, your snarky comment suggests you're repelled by something I say and yet you can't articulate what it is or why. If I'm completely off base with this and you're simply fed up with hearing it being repeated so many times by me, you still don't have to read it. I think many people, however, could still benefit from this info, which is why I post it. If you don't like it, ignore it.
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    05-15-2016, 09:10 AM
    You'd be surprised how many people here value their own individual liberty. I think that's true of all cultures. There is not an entire culture composed of people so ingrained with the concept of state-worship that there is left no sense of individual dignity or responsibility. And considering China's state of affairs in society compared with America's madhouse society--as much as it pains me to say this--sometimes I wonder if such a form of government wouldn't be better, but I guess you would kind of have to have a 5,000 year history to really get the whole package. Things are better here, whatever you might say about Communism. And to be clear, yes, I hate Communism, too, but at least people here don't have the false hope that they can change things by voting. And that, combined with the fact that there is a lot of social and financial freedom here despite the few trespasses we consider especially egregious, no guns and a limited number of children (which is thankfully being phased out now), the Chinese people aren't harassed much at all by their government, and they're much better off for it. Yeah, you guys can be outnumbered. I was referring specifically to the Chinese there. I don't see what it has to do with my point, though, because I made clear that there's a big difference between the State Dept importing people and China welcoming people because its people want to better themselves.
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    05-15-2016, 08:52 AM
    I completely agree that you shouldn't let your country be overrun. I was simply clarifying that loving your neighbor doesn't necessarily mean letting them overrun you. It's important to note that. In fact, I think the "not playing the NWO game" part kind of strongly hints at that. Don't play the NWO game, don't let yourself be overrun, love your neighbors. All completely compatible concepts.
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    05-15-2016, 08:48 AM
    Sigh... this thread (and so many others) reminds me why I left America, and why I don't miss it. Here in China, there is, believe it or not, some multiculturalism in the cities. You can see restaurants and shops from many parts of the world, but I think it's important to note that this is all completely voluntary. The Chinese people let us in because they like us, and they don't particularly value multiculturalism as any sort of ideal, and they certainly don't put it on a pedestal like in the west. There are no attempts to mash people together with government programs and affirmative action, although many foreigners, especially the English speaking ones, can often be very well off here, and nobody despises them for "overrunning" their culture because they know they can't be outnumbered. Multiculturalism is a very comfortable and stress-free way of life in the cities here, and the danger is not the integration of people itself, but the ideas behind this sort of movement. America does it because it wants to make white people obsolete. China does it because they want to learn English and become better businessmen. Guess which one is a waaaaay safer place to live? The motivation is all the difference, but you better believe it's a huge one.
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    05-15-2016, 08:24 AM
    Umm... ok. Hey, Europe, the way to win is to stop the bombing, killing, and taking over other nations and their resources, not playing the NWO game and love our neighbors. Oh, and Europe, don't forget that loving your neighbors doesn't mean letting them overrun you. LE, you should also take note of this important distinction.
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    05-15-2016, 08:20 AM
    Tough? Because 200 years? In the scheme of things, that's a very, very short time being a country compared to the vast majority of countries on earth.
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    05-12-2016, 04:59 PM
    The irony is that it's angelatc talking.
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    05-12-2016, 04:58 PM
    Unless you're talking about anti-vaxxers. Then it's okay to be a vitriolic, condescending, anti-liberty asshat. Right, angelatc?
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    05-10-2016, 06:01 PM
    Can it be both?
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    05-10-2016, 05:31 PM
    Fat-shaming is a liberal buzzword because people on the "left" (if we must use these politically charged terms) act like anything + the word "shaming" is some kind of cardinal sin and then give it that stupid label to shame anyone who uses it. Maybe we should call it "normalization-shaming" or something along those lines because we all know being normal is just a social construct (as if that were a bad thing) and should be eradicated at all costs due to hurt feelingz. After all, those videos of people who got motivated to lose weight instead of reveling in their misery and bringing everyone else down with them are just evil defectors who succumbed to social pressure by making their lives better instead of making society worse for their own sake.
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    05-10-2016, 05:21 PM
    No need to be rude and obnoxious.
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    05-10-2016, 08:56 AM
    Haha, "fat-shaming"? Yeah, you're probably right. I would've partaken specifically because you use the term.
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    05-09-2016, 08:35 PM
    I usually find that people advocating aristocracy rule falsely believe that they would be part of said aristocracy. Beyond that, old money WASP families are not what they once were; they are dwindling in the halls of influence and power, daily replaced. Their day in the sun has been over for quite some time; you long for something that is likely as a libertarian society, that's to say impossible.
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    05-09-2016, 06:33 PM
    ZOMG! TeH Donald will bring on hyperinflation and the U.S. will be Zimbabwe under his rule! I guess all you survivalist will finally get your chance to be at the top of the food chain. TRUMP '16!
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    05-09-2016, 07:32 AM
    Yep. Asset forfeiture.
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    05-07-2016, 07:53 PM
    Have you ever played Sarcastaball by any chance? And if there's nothing libertarian about this "CHASE", then why did you say "libertarian car chase" in the thread title?
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    05-07-2016, 07:52 PM
    Beijing. It's in my profile.
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    05-07-2016, 11:38 AM
    Then I shudder to think because no human makes genuine statements like that. No, criminal punishment is not a remedy for any social ill. It was never meant to be. It's a way of attaining retribution and justice for those who suffer at the hands of others. Then why was it your business to make an example of him?
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    05-07-2016, 07:10 AM
    Nice sarcastic straw man. Man, that sentence was a trainwreck. It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic in the first place, but then even the opposite meaning of that (probably) sarcastic sentence is a response to nothing any of us have said. Well, yeah. Now that you've found a sarcastic statement that actually kind of does represent a libertarian's views, it's ironic that it's still sarcastic because it actually makes perfect sense. You can't prevent crime. All you can do is punish it when it happens. If someone is stupid enough to cause a dangerous situation, then that person is likely to die. If he doesn't and people get hurt, then he has committed a crime and will be punished accordingly. Furthermore, why was this guy running anyway? Could it be he was being chased for not immediately complying because he was in violation of some victimless crime and then law enforcement helped to escalate the situation by chasing him, thus putting people's lives in danger?
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