• NorthCarolinaLiberty's Avatar
    09-13-2019, 07:41 PM
    The 16 playoff contenders. For final 4 at Miami, I'll go with Kyle Bush, Hamlin, Truex, and Kurt Busch. Kyle Busch (2,045 points) Denny Hamlin (2,030 points) Martin Truex Jr. (2,029 points) Kevin Harvick (2,028 points) Joey Logano (2,028 points)
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    09-13-2019, 07:29 PM
    Never help anybody.
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  • Madison320's Avatar
    09-07-2019, 07:19 AM
    I'll ask again in a different way: According to your logic: Moving from a 30% flat tax to a reduction to 15% for half the population would be less aggression, therefore better. Moving from a 15% flat tax to an increase to 30% for half the population would be more aggression, therefore worse. But that about:
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    09-06-2019, 05:24 PM
    Went to Darlington last Sunday. Rained delayed 4 hours. Sat in our car in the downpour. left to get chicken, went to the grocery, argued, and other stuff. Race ended at 2am. It was fun to watch Erik Jones master the track and see Kyle Busch hit the wall trying to run him down. Only one big wreck. There's usually a lot more at this track. Glad it didn't end later. But very outstanding. Lots of fun. This was basically our seats, but on the other side of the finish line. Outstanding view of the pit boxes.
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  • Madison320's Avatar
    09-05-2019, 07:27 PM
    Yeah, but that's kind of a vague concept. If 10 people are living on an island and 9 of them vote to make the 10th guy pay all the taxes is that "less aggression" compared to all 10 people having to pay a smaller amount? You could argue that since only one guy is getting screwed it's better than all ten (obviously I wouldn't make that argument). So what you are saying is that it would be "more aggression" if we let certain groups of people go for murder, but it would be "less aggression" if we let certain groups go for drug charges. And I'm assuming you'd have different ways of calculating the total amount of aggression for taxes and benefits correct? The problem that I see is that all of those things are laws, taxes and benefits are still laws. If you are going to have different rules for each law you might as well throw all the laws out the window. Which would probably be fine if you're an anarchist but I didn't think you were. Anyway I think anytime you start unevenly enforcing laws it's always going to lead to more aggression in the long run even if it reduces it the short run. And then there's the tax laws which are by far the worst one to have uneven enforcement for obvious reasons. I've heard Walter Williams say many times that if he had to add one amendment to the constitution it would be that all laws would apply to everyone. So if a corn farmer was receiving subsidies we'd all be allowed to get those subsidies.
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  • Madison320's Avatar
    09-02-2019, 09:36 AM
    You don't think laws should be applied to everyone? Do you think the equal protection principle is wrong? As I said earlier the logical conclusion of not having equal protection is that everyone has their own set of laws.
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    09-01-2019, 05:26 PM
    My point is that "less" is not better. If you make the decision that some sacrifice is necessary for the good of the whole, the most moral way is to spread the burden to as many members as possible. Suppose there's a small island nation of 100 people that keeps pillaged by the neighboring islands. They take a vote and decided to form a military. Would it be more fair if everyone had to chip in a little for that military or if they just took it all from one guy?
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    09-01-2019, 05:16 PM
    Of course but there are different levels of immorality. Armed bank robbery is worse than shoplifting for example. And progressive taxation is much worse than flat taxation because the law is enforced unevenly.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    08-30-2019, 09:34 PM
    Same here. It's a suspicion that I've had for a long time. I've mentioned it a few times, but to most people it probably sounds too crazy. I could never trust ANYONE who praises the Clintons, calls them good people, was friends with them, donated to them, etc.
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  • Madison320's Avatar
    08-27-2019, 06:14 PM
    Doesn't that just move the burden of collection from the retailer to the manufacturer?
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    08-26-2019, 04:36 PM
    As you probably know, I think that's the ultimate solution. A "non-welfare" type voting system would lead to a flatter tax. Actually if I had to pick between a flat tax and a non welfare voting system I'd choose the latter because it would last longer. A flat tax with unlimited democracy wouldn't last very long.
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    08-26-2019, 04:31 PM
    The only problem I have with a sales tax is that is unfairly places the burden of collection on a small minority (retailers). I think if we switched to a sales tax we'd have to give existing business owners some sort of option to liquidate their business and be compensated by the taxpayers at the time of the switch.
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    08-25-2019, 04:54 PM
    As long as inflation stays relatively low it'll never happen. But if we get really high inflation or especially hyper inflation, all bets are off. At that point the world is going to look completely different (who knows what it'll look like?) and any current predictions will be out the window. Governments love fiat currency but I don't think they'll be able to force a failing currency on an unwilling population.
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  • Madison320's Avatar
    08-25-2019, 04:47 PM
    What if we raise the rate on the top 1% and use that money to lower the rate on the the lower 99%. Would that be an improvement in your world?
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  • Madison320's Avatar
    08-25-2019, 03:14 PM
    Thank you. Equal protection is the principle I was trying to explain. It's amazing how that principle gets ignored when it comes to progressive taxation. Of course the reason equal protection gets ignored when it comes to progressive taxation is because the voting mob gets the benefit of the stolen loot. There's no direct benefit to ignoring equal protection for other laws.
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    08-25-2019, 09:15 AM
    True. As long as we can borrow and print there appears to be no downside to spending to the average voter. But when the ability to borrow and print inevitably ends then the main driver to socialism is progressive taxation. But I agree, right now we really have 3 main drivers to socialism, borrowing, printing and taxing the other guy.
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    08-25-2019, 08:30 AM
    You're right. There are many people who think they are entitled to things they did not earn. And the progressive income tax is the main mechanism for achieving that goal for those people.
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  • Madison320's Avatar
    08-25-2019, 07:54 AM
    So basically what you're saying is that there's no downside to having unequal laws. Which taken to it's logical conclusion would mean that each person would have his own set of laws that he feels pertains to him. Which would mean that every dispute would be resolved by a vote or more likely a war. Which would make you an anarchist.
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    08-24-2019, 09:38 PM
    Wow. This is why I've pretty much given up posting here.
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    08-24-2019, 09:15 PM
    So if we only legalized drugs for politicians, that would be an improvement? Or if the majority votes to steal more from the rich so that the majority can avoid paying taxes themselves, that's an improvement? Because a smaller percentage is getting taxed? Eff that.
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    08-24-2019, 07:11 PM
    I was arguing with my liberal coworker about how much I detest progressive taxation. I told him that it's immoral to tax people at different rates and he asked me "Why?". To me it just seems obvious but I tried to explain with an example of 10 people going out to dinner and 9 guys voting that the 10th guy should pay for all of it. And then naturally the 9 guys who aren't paying want filet mignon and salmon since they don't have to pay. To me the progressive income tax is by far the biggest violation of property rights in most democracies. I'm not talking about the income tax in general, I'm talking about the progressive income tax where you tax more productive people at a higher rate. In fact it's annoying to me when I hear a libertarians dismiss progressive taxation and say "well all taxes are wrong". To me that's a cop out and I suspect they are perfectly fine with a rich guy paying a higher rate as long as their rate doesn't go up. I think some libertarians have this idea that as long as the "net" amount of government force goes down it's an improvement. So if you suddenly legalized drugs for half the population, that would be a "step in the right direction". Or if we had a flat tax rate of 30% and then we reduced it to 10% for half the population, that would also be an improvement. I think that's terribly wrong although I wish I knew a better way of describing it.
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    08-24-2019, 06:51 PM
    That reminds me of jumbo shrimp for some reason.
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    08-22-2019, 06:18 PM
    Schiff sells US stocks and bonds, foreign stocks and bonds and precious metals. As far as I can tell he makes the same amount no matter what he sells therefore he doesn't have a built in bias. The ones who are biased are the ones who only sell US stuff, which is 99% of the investors out there. I've explained this to you at least 3 times but either you're not smart enough to understand it, or you're just interested in spreading propaganda.
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