• P3ter_Griffin's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:12 PM
    I took this: to mean the LP had lost the prospect of ever gaining these individuals as voters again because of Johnson's positions. If Johnson was saying people should be free to discriminate against blacks, christians, etc, would he still have had these guys support? There is a reason they must be republican after all, and not libertarians. So would being a principled libertarian really do anything to court them? eta: If not it is just a pragmatic argument that the chosen candidate should not do this:
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    Yesterday, 07:35 PM
    Well if they forsake a party for the candidate that gets put up they must be pretty squishy to consider themselves republicans.
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    Yesterday, 05:50 PM
    I think the only logical conclusion this can lead to is 'direct control'. Relying on voting or hereditary rule can provide no guarantees. But that makes sense. Because I think what we are advocating for is a private defense agency. Only difference- from my perspective- is that I generally think a pda would be motivated by profits whereas the motivation for this I think would be 'providing the service'.
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    Yesterday, 05:44 PM
    I can appreciate this. Maybe in China you can get away with a bit more without the government noticing, and in rural America too. However if I just started doing with my property what I wish, and ignored the state, it would not be long before the inspection department would show up. And they'd tell me to take it down. And if I refused it would be the police department that showed up. And if I refused to go with them they'd forcibly take me either to jail or the morgue. I think for agorsim to be practicable you need a certain level of freedom. For instance, if the state locked everyone in a cell, ignoring the state wouldn't do you much good. And, not that this needs to motivate everyone, but what about how the government is treating other people? I could probably get along just fine as it is and jump through their hoops and have a happy and successful life, but I am also concerned about the folks on the receiving end of the bombs our state likes to drop. It may be the case that there is nothing that can be done about that but I need to figure that out for fact first and then adjust accordingly. I personally think there are better ways to 'adjust' then getting Irwin Schiffed.
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    Yesterday, 05:26 PM
    This completely misses the mark IMO. I have had plenty of conversations where the individual on the other end is not willing to accept the truth as the truth. Generally it is either 'taxes aren't theft' or 'it wouldn't work' (a plea for government you could say). If it were as simple as telling the truth Libertarians would win all debates, Ron Paul would be in the white house, blah blah blah. I haven't even been able to convince many RPFers that property rights should form their basis on immigration and trade (along with every other 'issue', if we can disconnect them). And I'm not necessarily arguing for pragmatism... I am in fact banned from running for political office, at least in the state I currently reside... so I will not be up on that stage making those campaign decisions. But I think it is important to understand where the argument for pragmatism comes. I'd note that I think pragmatism can reference several things too. We could be saying the 'pragmatic campaign' where the candidate runs not strictly on principle for whatever their reasoning, or 'pragmatic voting' where voters vote not strictly on principle for whatever reasoning.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    09-24-2016, 04:30 PM
    Considering the alternative of Donald Trump loading up the Supreme Court, I can't see the difference.
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    09-24-2016, 04:28 PM
    Et tu Eduarde?
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    09-23-2016, 09:17 PM
    You think they are pretending to be Trump supporters? I thought they were pretending to be Ron Paul supporters?
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    09-23-2016, 09:08 PM
    That doesn't sound like any liberty that I know. Not a bad blowoff valve though, I'd rather have a consumption tax than an income tax.
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    09-23-2016, 09:03 PM
    I really can't buy that. On it's face that would mean that a minarchist would advocate for taxation even if it was not necessary in order to carry out the essential functions they 'see fit' or however you'd like to say that. In order for minarchy to mean anything they must desire an end to taxation. But they just haven't found a solution that satisfies them, yet.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    09-23-2016, 05:59 PM
    This sums up my thoughts nicely.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    09-22-2016, 08:44 PM
    Cf. posts by the Trumptards on this forum supporting a wall, tariffs, and assorted other big government policies.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    09-22-2016, 08:15 PM
    "Contain the dissent, poison the well, dilute the voices of the dissenters with your own infiltrating voices and finally play on people ego to corrupt them from within by aligning their interests with your own." Perfect description of how the Trump phenomenon has been used to pull this and other liberty places towards fascism.
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    09-20-2016, 08:52 PM
    Name calling is the last resort of an exposed troll.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    09-19-2016, 05:51 AM
    Yes, and this is "what the fuck talking about." If the number matters more than the percent as you say, then a country with a legal population of 20 with 80 illegal immigrants would be better off than us, since 80 is WAAAAAY less than 42,400,000, even though they would have a country where legal citizens are a minority.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    09-18-2016, 04:12 PM
    Well, what did you mean when you said "Overall rate is what matters"? Either you meant that the percent matters, and you didn't know 13.3 is lower than 14.7, or you meant to say that overall number is what matters, which is wrong but less obviously dumb. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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    09-18-2016, 04:43 AM
    I agree but it really is dependant on a lifestyle choice as well. If the cost to buy wood is less than the profits you can receive by utilizing you land in some other way and you are inclined to make some money then it'd just make more sense to buy the wood. And I think with smart crop selection you can offset the wood needed to operate a boiler. Mamoth sunflowers for instance produce large carbon stalks and its seed is good for oil and feed. I'll have to look and see if I still got the book 'self sufficient life and how to live it'- from what I remember he mentions a specific tree that you can grow as a crop. You cut it and the tree will regrow from the stump for a continuous harvest. If money was not a factor and I could have any property that I wanted I'd definitely want some forested land. But giving that up for pasture land with a bunch of adorable animals is more up my alley. Are you looking to make money off your property jfk?
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    09-17-2016, 08:19 PM
    How can we know for certain that the advocation for the abolishment of forced taxation is not a minarchist position? You have more of a history understanding than I, so I'll ask, do you consider the founders minarchists? Did they debate forced taxation while still advocating for a state?
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    09-17-2016, 08:00 PM
    Funny that Obammer let his pride get in the way of dialogue between nations. 'Mommy, he called me a son of a bitchwhore!'
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    09-17-2016, 07:54 PM
    uffff.... Well I'm glad I'm not an '08er or voting for Trump. I don't want any part in this result.
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    09-17-2016, 07:49 PM
    What is your definition of a 'state'? Is abolishment of forced taxation the same to you as abolishment of the state?
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    09-17-2016, 03:42 AM
    Me and the GF have spent some time looking at property in the UP of Michigan. Land can be had pretty cheap. Especially forested land. For me that is a turn-off because I'd like to farm the land. But for someone just looking to live sustainably you could cut clearings for gardens and live amongst the trees. Sorry for not posting the tubes, I'm not sure how they effect the bandwith of the site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af32IQ6S1ds ^I'm not sure this is the right source to learn to lay block but it shows it is a task any motivated individual can do (not a knock on the guy doing it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u92Skxq24hI
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    09-17-2016, 02:54 AM
    Yeah I got to agree-ish. ;) I think part of why we're so happy with it is because it is perfect for what we need it for and was inexpensive. I still think if someone had enough batteries there is no 'trade-off' between the weed eater portion and it's gas counterpart... but that may well not be economical. For off-grid or SHTF though, the ability to generate electricity is much more within reach for me than refining gasoline. However, crafting new batteries when the old ones die would leave me in the same place. Buddy is bringing over the pole saw attachment tomorrow so I'll get to test her out on that job.
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    09-17-2016, 02:39 AM
    I think Rand has cozied up to the republican party a little to much at this point to run against them in a presidential election. He'd get painted as the spoiler candidate giving the election to the democrat and he'd receive so much hate even though it'd be no different than running any other principled libertarian candidate... wouldn't wish it on him for the world. A lot can happen between now and then but it seems like Cruz will be getting the votes our desired candidate would go after in the GOP 2020 presidential primary. I think it would be nice to not have a GOP presidential candidate running in 2020. Influencing who the eventual nominee for the libertarian party is seems much more in reach. And winning the GOP presidential primary doesn't seem realistic. Unless someone from RPF decides to run I doubt we'll have a say in how the candidate will run (ex. genuine vs pragmatic) but I think it goes without saying we should support the most principled one in the primary and the candidate that will do the least harm in the general. I'm making yard signs for Gary and making positive distinctions between him and HillTrump on the local newspaper website and in conversation but I don't expect that out of everyone. It would be really refreshing though if the focus of conversation was on how we progress forward and be influential in future elections. So I thank you for brining it up and I hope the future can get the attention it deserves.
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