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    Today, 06:09 PM
    That Sheldon Addelson sent Cruz away for not endorsing Trump is a pretty good sign as well. Trump and his compatriots jabber jawing about Iran is a pretty good sign. Would any Trumpsters like to debate me that Trump is not going to be an isreal-firster?
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    Today, 05:15 AM
    A few things to think about. Kasich is a Koch pet... it would be interesting to know if this money was pulled after Trump made the comment about funding a pac to defeat Kasich. Ron Johnson may well be a lost cause in WI. It is a super leftist area. And Wisconsin is a state that the democracy alliance has heavily invested so it isn't a free lunch. Walker is also a Koch pet and endorsed Trump... so it will be interesting to see if there is any change in the Koch/Walker relationship. And it doesn't really make sense why Addelson would still be kicking it and the Koch's leave. The Koch's seem more focused on domestic policy, deregulation and tax cuts (although it very well may be the case Koch Industries servers the MiC.. even if by being a supplier for the big guys)... along with their crony-ism public-private ventures of course. And I think you'd be more likely to see tax cuts and deregulation under Trump. The DA and the Koch's have been duking it out in a lot of states. Lets just hope they don't team up.
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    Today, 03:24 AM
    Anecdotal but, I saw when precious metal prices came crashing down a few of the miners(I didn't look at many) were cutting cost by getting rid of contractors... but were still running damn near the same throughput and were still recovering the same amount of metals per ton of material. From my perspective revenues are cherished because they can be used as a pass-through to profit privately held companies. The good ol' circle-jerk, shareholders be damned.
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    Today, 02:43 AM
    You'll have to bear with me Ronin, I'm not sure this is a sensible answer. An individual gains the right and authority to rule another person when the 'another person' violates another individual’s rights. If I may ask a question to better clarify it for myself, how does an individual obtain the right and authority to defend another individual who is being attacked? To keep it relevant, for this hypothetical question the victim has been knocked unconscious and has no way of bestowing his right to self defense upon you. http://nationalparalegal.edu/public_documents/courseware_asp_files/criminalLaw/defenses/DefenseofOthers.asp Interesting and relevantish... although it deals with laws and not the reasons why or why not it may be just.
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    Yesterday, 06:14 PM
    If you know the enemy you can see where their resources are being driven and attempt to neutralize those efforts, which if successful will demoralize the enemy and hold them without progress. I think knowledge is power, so even if it is unnecessary to know thy enemy to defeat them it will lead to a more efficient victory. And yet, knowing the enemy doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win either! http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?497750-1958-Interview-With-Aldous-Huxley specifically this https://www.scribd.com/doc/290885467/Democracy-Alliance-State-Funds-Fall-2015 If you have this kind of information you can see what is happening and more properly react.
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    Yesterday, 05:48 PM
    Being that none are forced to pay taxes it is safe to say, without your input, permission, or approval... unless you play a role in the organization whom they operate for, of course... or the organization seeks your input, permission, or approval. And by 'you and your' I mean any given individual, not you specifically.
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    Yesterday, 05:08 PM
    I agree it was all hands on deck during the 2012 campaign (wasn't here for '08 obv) but it sounds to me like it was a coalition behind a man, and not necessarily the principles he advocated even though the principles he advocated provide the freedoms desired by all the different groups that composed the coalition! haha. I'll sure as heck stop short of saying where someone should begin but I think Ron would agree the principles behind his philosophy is rooted in the Bible. That is the Works I'm currently working on ingesting. Most have probably done that already though.
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    Yesterday, 04:43 PM
    ex: the force required to prevent (apprehend) an individual from (for) killing their wife and children. ex: the force required to prevent, stop, or apprehend the individual responsible for raping another. In principle, just force is the defense of property rights, which includes the person and their possessions, and prosecution for individuals who do violate another's property rights. And to clarify, my position does not mean that someone is forced to recognize or pay taxes(let God judge your non-violent actions) to this hypothetical just government.... but when they kick in the hypothetical victimizer's door, the fact that the victimizer says 'I seceded' will not make the 'bringers of justice' wrong for bringing the victimizer to justice.
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    Yesterday, 04:53 AM
    moar goodies: http://freebeacon.com/politics/busting-democracy-alliance-myths/ http://freebeacon.com/politics/democracy-alliance-state-spending-plans-revealed/
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    07-23-2016, 11:55 PM
    That is not even a band-aid, they are just leaving the wound gushing. And I'm no fan of letting the victims bleed out because the people are the real victims. You do not support protectionism or national borders as the proper solutions... I know that from our talks... and so I have much less problem with you supporting a candidate like Trump because you are not claiming his flawed principles are liberty ones... much like the Johnson folks aren't claiming being forced to bake cakes is the liberty position. You instead give your opinion on why you think he is the best path forward. I can completely respect that.
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    07-23-2016, 11:43 PM
    I don't even necessarily think that is true. We've had quite a few white nationalist here who just wanted to be able to have a segregated community away from other races, etc. People can hate each other and still respect each other's rights. eta: I guess you could say we need to love our neighbours rights as we love our own! :)
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    07-23-2016, 11:37 PM
    Nationalist don't attempt to fix the issue they just place band-aids in the form of walls and police... because it is not the state it is 'those guys' causing the problems. I completely agree that there is division coming from the left too. Both sides are being lead to hate each other instead of focusing on the state. By design imo, how else could they claim this un-just power?
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    07-23-2016, 11:14 PM
    There may be efforts I'm not aware of but Fox after 2012 went on a bender about illegals and Islam along with several other media sources doing the same, but to the greatest extent it has erupted because of the central efforts of our government! It is an effect of poor governance. And the libertarian looks to channel that into eliminating the government where the nationalist looks to channel that into division amongst the people and growth of the state. The reason me and you are having this conversation is because a libertarian built a coalition. Where did I say libertarianism has a better record at coalition building than nationalism? So does leftism and rightism. But none of them are based on the sound principles that can unite all -isms.
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    07-23-2016, 10:51 PM
    hear hear. eta.... yeah :)
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    07-23-2016, 10:49 PM
    It is not a matter of when, it is the principles that make the movement. If you change the nature of the movement from a libertarian movement to a nationalist movement it loses its inclusive, coalition building nature. Promotion of principles contrary to the movement should be done off-site so this can remain a place for all who are sick of their government and want to see a return to individual liberty so they can build the society they want.
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    07-23-2016, 10:33 PM
    Best part is that the DNC still hasn't contacted them. They are just lost on what to do... as would I be.
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    07-23-2016, 10:27 PM
    There is room for a Nationalist society within a Libertarian society but not the other way around. Libertarianism is the big tent that allows coalitions to happen.
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    07-23-2016, 10:26 PM
    There is not an agreement on what a liberty candidate even is.
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    07-23-2016, 09:40 PM
    I think the issue goes deeper than Trump. We have been having a philosophical debate over national borders vs individual property rights, and protectionism vs free trade, for the past four years here. The pro-national border and protectionism folks were defeated handily... even though they'd never admit it... and now when a candidate holds these positions they tout them as a good, liberty position. What a good candidate looks like between these two sides is different. And one trumpster even admitted (I think today) that the only reason Ron had support from his kind was that Ron was angry at the system. So, then who most likely holds the positions closer to Ron?
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    07-23-2016, 08:34 PM
    I do agree this government applies unjust force, therefore:
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    07-23-2016, 08:08 PM
    Just taking a crack at this as I am sorting through stuff in my head as well. You have a God given right to secede from all unjust force... but I find no basis for the right to secede from just force. Justice is not unique to the individual it is applicable to all regardless of their geographical location. Therefore, just because someone says 'I have seceded from justice, justice does not apply within my borders' does not make it so. And so the application of justice need not respect these artificial boundaries, the artificial boundaries which are the construct of the individual secessionist.
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    07-23-2016, 06:53 PM
    Thank you for the continued updates! Sounds like a bloody madhouse.
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    07-23-2016, 06:44 PM
    Politico was running two stories on their twitter last night, one about Hillary emails http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-state-226044 and one about Kaine emails http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-kaine-emails-clinton-vp-225983
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    07-23-2016, 03:24 PM
    756611853065789440 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756611853065789440 WikiLeaks Verified account ‏@wikileaks #DNCLeaks: The two best "discovery" threads on REDdit 1) https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4u2khq/wikileaks_are_you_ready_for_hillary_we_begin_our/ … 2)https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4u3bt8/wikileaks_releases_nearly_20000_hacked_dnc_emails/] It is so funny the dem establishment are pretending like this leak didn't happen... not commenting at all. I have to think on the inside they are freaking out right now.
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