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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 07:47 PM
    Ah gawsh. When the youngesters start saying youngser, it's probably time to put me out to pasture. lolol. I keep forgetting that we've watched people basically grow up under the tent for the past 30 years or so. You guys would've had fun in the 80s when a feller had to pound pavement the old fashioned way. No Internet, No smart phones, no nothing. Only cassettes and newspapers. Billboards were the memes of the day. Although there was radio. lolol.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Today, 07:32 PM
    ...Except it wasn't an appeal to authority. Please re-read the explanation of the fallacy for comprehension. Insisting someone read people who have actually thought through a philosophy and written about it intelligently in order to actually comprehend it is not significantly different than directing a person to a definitive encyclopedia. (rather like directing someone to read the Objectivist Manifesto and Rand's other non fiction in order to understand Objectivism instead of making shit up about Objectivism) Please school yourself before trying to school me, youngster.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 07:22 PM
    This thread needs Occam's. That's what this thread needs. At least he's gosh darned realistic.
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  • William Tell's Avatar
    Today, 07:15 PM
    You are just wrong about the farms I'm talking about that I've actually been to. I guess you just simply can't fathom there is such a thing as a good humane homestead. There are many dairies where the animals are literally treated as pets with names and all. But you never admit to that, you insist on demonizing all farmers who do anything besides crops.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 06:54 PM
    But there would be a State. Capitalism requires a coercive force. Economic security requires a coercive force. This is fundamental. Another thing, Pierz. And this is just a little tip for functionally debating, since I've noticed that you try to do this quite a bit in order to sell your ism. And it's not just you, this happens every time we debate trustees of this particular ism. You cannot reframe the question or the terms of the whole of the debate in order to omit your ism's shortcomings. At least, not honestly. You will get busted and called out on it every single time. At least, on this forum. Every single time. Simple ignorace, of course, is an entirely different matter. We'll try to help one to understand the shortcomings of voluntary socialism if one is willing to objectively hear them so as to make an informed choice toward a functionl understanding of the workings of culture, government, proper man-to-man/government-to-man relations, etc.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 06:52 PM
    Aw, geez. Why'd you have to quote me, of all people on this thread? Hm? Why? I left the thread. Firstly, I advocate for small government. Secondly, I'm intellectually honest enough to know that anarchy and capitalism do not mix. I'm smart enough to understand that capitalism cannot function without a coercive force. I've thought it through all the way.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Today, 06:46 PM
    Your fallacy is... Appeal to Authority argumentum ad verecundiam (also known as: argument from authority, appeal to false authority, appeal to unqualified authority, argument from false authority, ipse dixit) Description: Using an authority as evidence in your argument when the authority is not really an authority on the facts relevant to the argument. As the audience, allowing an irrelevant authority to add credibility to the claim being made. Logical Form: According to person 1, Y is true. Therefore, Y is true. Example #1: My 5th-grade teacher once told me that girls would go crazy for boys if they learn how to dance. Therefore, if you want to make the ladies go crazy for you, learn to dance. Explanation: Even if the 5th-grade teacher were an expert on relationships, her belief about what makes girls “go crazy” for boys is speculative, or perhaps circumstantial, at best.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 06:37 PM
    Actually, if we stopped feeding the majority of crops to livestock that end up in the stomachs of obese Westerners, we could probably solve the world hunger problem. When you think about the massive amount of food being fed to those animals, it's mind-boggling. I agree that the poor need nutrition, but they certainly don't need to adopt the Western animal-based diet that is linked to cancer and other illnesses. As for happy and healthy milk cows, that is a lie that we've been sold, for centuries. Even on the smaller farms, the calves are taken away from their mothers, usually on the first day of their life. Why, because we can't have the baby drink his mother's milk, now can we? We gotta have it! That causes distress to both the baby and the mother, it's cruel and unnecessary. The reality is, most people get their dairy from the grocery store, so it comes from factory farms where the cows are slaves, treated absolutely horribly, until they're no longer of any use, and then violently slaughtered.
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  • William Tell's Avatar
    Today, 05:53 PM
    I'm talking about the vegans I know. You've made it clear before that you are not a vegan. You've said you don't always agree with them either. But it's true that animals are a vital source of food in the world right now. The poor in destitute countries need nutrition. And there have been happy and healthy milk cows on small farms for thousands of years. Just facts.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 05:36 PM
    Fortunately that's not the case. :) But you reminded me of an interview with a woman who has an interesting story. She went from being the wife of a fourth-generation cattle rancher to starting an animal sanctuary. If you have time, you should watch this.... The part you reminded me of starts about 45 seconds in.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 05:23 PM
    That's one of the most laughable things I've read all week. But I think you were just baiting, so I'm not going to bother showing how wrong that is on numerous levels. Besides, your mind seems to be as closed as Fort Knox, so it would be a waste of time anyway.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 05:08 PM
    Sigh. Youth is wasted on the young. I should make that my sig. Heh.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 04:58 PM
    Well. Collectivist mindsets do tend to view humans as members of groups rather than as individuals. I know vegans who just mind their own business and don't bother anybody.
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  • William Tell's Avatar
    Today, 04:54 PM
    Then the vegans will lobby for billion dollar programs to neuter them instead of letting hunters take care of them. Shoot one and you will get death row in Veganville. Or more likely a drone strike, that's where control freaks prefer to gravitate towards these days. Who needs trials right?
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  • William Tell's Avatar
    Today, 04:51 PM
    I think you misunderstand vegans. They are not the underground railroad for animals. They are Planned Parenthood for animals. They are mostly city slickers, they don't want a wolf eating their poodle and they don't want a wild cow pooping on their sidewalk, they think all of nature is just happy birds singing not coyotes eating bunnies. They think the environment is being destroyed by sheep passing gas. They would rather farm animals go extinct than to live a life of purpose to give life to starving children in Africa. They don't want happy healthy milk cows. They don't want healthy bulls being pampered to be herd sires. The only thing they care about regarding animals is denying you the right to eat an egg or a steak or even put honey on your toast in some cases. It's more like a religion than anything.
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  • Lamp's Avatar
    Today, 02:27 PM
    Most people are generally not rich enough to keep a cow or a pig in their backyard but suit yourself I guess. Their just going to breed themselves in the wild after their irresponsible owners let them go like the millions of stray dogs and cats.
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  • Anti Federalist's Avatar
    Today, 01:43 PM
    Unneeded in the future, humans will be. Chinese robot dentist is first to fit implants in patient’s mouth without any human involvement http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/2112197/chinese-robot-dentist-first-fit-implants-patients-mouth-without-any-human Successful procedure raises hopes technology could avoid problems caused by human error and help overcome shortage of qualified dentists
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 01:25 PM
    You're assuming that vegans want all farm animals to be released into the wild, but that's not the case. Those animals are bred into existence, so what vegans are saying is we need to stop breeding those animals. Secondly, your scenario is unrealistic, because obviously the world is not going to go vegan overnight, and I think most vegans are well aware of that. It is a process that happens gradually. But it is happening, and I have no doubt that it is the future. As the demand decreases, so will the supply. And believe it or not, there have been a number of farmers or ranchers who have had a change of mind and turned their farms into animal sanctuaries. There are lots of videos about rescued farm animals who were lucky enough to end up in an animal sanctuary. I love watching these videos. :) I'll post a few here, take a look:
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Today, 01:15 PM
    I'm a stickler for truth and accuracy in all things, comrade. :cool: #meanie
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Today, 12:45 PM
    You and I know that, but people like Meade can count on their fanboys being biblically illiterate. :(
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  • Anti Federalist's Avatar
    Today, 11:16 AM
    I'm sure these folks are good Christian progressives, who will "turn the other cheek", "love their enemies" and "forgive". Fuck these multi-culti diversity whores and their Quisling collaborators.
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  • Lamp's Avatar
    Today, 10:19 AM
    that was meant for lily
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