BSWPaulsen
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I fail to see how it matters whether or not they get it instantly.

Equity equals Communism. It is also a tacit claim that minorities are inferior and need special help to succeed in an American system. Behold the race to the bottom.

Real talk here. What in the hell is the point of going after Rand? He may not have been effective opposition against the left, but he is not the enemy or a traitor. The enemy is in power and in front of you. Look forward, not backward!

I have a feeling they will not make a martyr of him. It would be one of the few ways to get some people to actually do something. Instead, they will employ rhetoric claiming a willingness to do something or that something could be done about Trump. This approach has already proven effective as Trump has shown the fight has entirely fled him. If the left is prudent, then they will keep boiling that frog slowly. They will not have us where they want us until they have curtailed access to weapons and ammunition. That is the holy of holies.

Trump left office like a castrated man. Greenwald's description of him was apt.

Yay. I cannot wait to have my life ruined while I go through the arduous process needed to get a case to the Supreme Court just to possibly have my rights upheld. The process is the punishment. The psychopath left knows exactly what they are doing.

If you are all for it, then why bother mentioning Democrats controlling Congress in your earlier post? Those illegals-turned-citizens are going to support Democrats by a ratio of at least 60-40. You must be one of those people that like losing.

I would take that the next step, and say I do not really give a rat's ass about foreigners in general. Then again, this is probably why I find the notion of "free trade" outside of this country's borders, when we are supposed to have a level playing field internally due to everyone playing by the same set of rules, asinine in a world with China running around vacuuming up resources. The idea of a "free market" where foreigners can buy the land of your ancestors disgusts me. Never mind when they flood foreign markets with cheap goods to undermine local economies, have them develop a dependency, and then leverage the power granted. I think that countries that allow this are stupid, and I particularly have in mind those South American countries that allowed the USA to do it to their agricultural sectors.

They already run Congress, and those illegals are soon to be citizens.

The guy you quoted is thoroughly deranged when it comes to anything related to Trump. Any sense of reason or perspective has long abandoned him. If you want reasoned discourse, then you will have to look elsewhere.

Firstly, by only surrounding himself with loyal supporters and not established bureaucrats. Secondly, by firing every bureaucrat he can. If the political establishment impeaches him, then he engineers their physical destruction. Any president that would actually dare to represent American values would be impeached, because there is nothing the corrupt political class fears more than a loss of their entrenched power. Jefferson's quote about the tree of liberty is relevant.

Very good thread, and it supports the idea I have long held that the movement was primarily designed to inspire hope in Trump supporters. Hope cripples one's ability to take action. It undermines the personal responsibility one has to do something about the circumstances they are presented with. If you want to cripple your enemy, then convince them someone will solve their problems for them.

Here's the thing... And I am going to write this as more of a stream of thought than the more formal and logical presentation I am inclined toward. As such, there may be gaps in the reasoning I have not fleshed out at this time. The right and all of the variations contained therein are wildly disparate in temperament and ideological standing. This leads to fantastic battles amongst themselves over ideas and the potential ramifications of those ideas. This is a wonderful thing as competition in ideas improves the intellects behind them. However, as a matter of getting anything done, it can also be inhibitive. This is a potentially fatal problem if confronted with a common foe. Basically, commonality between those on the right must be in as vague of terms as possible. Say, liberty or freedom. Keep it short and sweet. As a matter of getting something done, the fundamental premise must be simple. Anything added to that serves little other purpose than division when it comes time to act. The time to act draws into question the nature of the action to be taken. An opinion I possess is that there is no single greater unifying force in all of humanity than a shared action. What shared action can liberty adherents take that is least likely to cause division amongst themselves? What shared action can unify the right in a common defense of a singular ideal? Secession.

In my mind, post-secession is a guaranteed war. The left will even claim the mantle of righteous authority, citing the American Civil War as their reasoning. It is not impossible for war to occur prior to secession, but I rate the chances of a successful outcome for liberty to be much lower in that event. That is one of the reasons this is something of a perilous time, because the right is not unified around anything. I rate secession as important primarily due to the reality that it can serve as a unifying force in the pursuit of freedom. Adherents of liberty should seek to subvert the left wherever possible so as to diminish their ability to get anything done and use their speech to rally people to their cause.

Make no mistake, I completely believe war will follow secession. However, employing rhetoric in the pursuit of winning over more people to the cause of liberty makes it more likely that war will go in liberty's favor. Accepting the left for what they are, that they will not be content to let us go our own way, means one must prepare accordingly.

Every liberty advocate needs to develop their rhetorical abilities in the pursuit of winning over right-leaning individuals to this cause.

Given election rigging, Republicans will be kept around in sufficient numbers so as to convince the masses that the two parties represent the range of acceptable thought in the country. The Republican party will be completely controlled opposition and complicit in the relentless march toward the left. Of course, some are fully able to argue the Republican party has always been controlled opposition. I would not try to defend against the notion, because to do so would likely require going back to the 1800s or at least a time period when traditional American liberties had some real value among the political class.

After the events of January 6th, Trump lost all fight in him and decided to go out with a whimper instead of a bang. Disappointing, but it matches who he has been the entire time. He was likely shaken by the reality that many people that supported him are furious at the state of affairs, and that their anger is beyond his control. He failed to understand that MAGA was not really about him but rather a feeling of discontent among the population. Millions look to him as a leader, but the truth is he is not the man to lead the fight against the left. He could have been, but he decided to surround himself with incompetence and follow their lead. He was the businessman president, and businessmen are often only as good as the people they hire. On a great many fronts, he failed. The one good thing he managed to do is more people are aware of the threat posed by the left. Whether that silver lining leads to anything actionable is another matter entirely. If by some miracle a man from the right rises to similar prominence and power as he achieved, then it will need to be a man hell bent on systematically dismantling and/or destroying federal bureaucrats no matter what objections they make.

Amen.

Time will tell, but so far she has more spine to her than damn near every elected Republican. Hopefully that spine does not end up being used to regularly further neoconservative ambitions. If it goes well, then she could be one of the best defenders of liberty in the House. I also greatly appreciate that she does not care to play the optics game. It is not a winning hand for liberty, and people need to stop fretting about what the media will or will not say about their actions.

Whether you are doing satirical or serious posts, it is good to have you back.

I am laughing pretty hard at this. With just one post oyarde has managed to start this thread's death spiral.

Why would I respond to you playing out the caricature I described in my original post? You executed your role wonderfully.

Wow. Anyone that would believe a good man like Rand has anything in common with the likes of Romney or McCain is very poorly informed indeed. While I am no fan of how Rand handled this event, I will continue to support his future endeavors. If I ever run into anyone attempting that line of attack, then I will do my best to demonstrate why it is very wrong.

Clearly, they bring with them a love of food. I applaud you for reducing immigration to a culinary endeavor. Well done.

For some, it is a variation of the Sunken Cost Fallacy. For others, it is the fear and uncertainty associated with change. For others still, a desire to be associated with power and/or prestige. For the most dangerous, a desire to have more people around to fund their lifestyles without doing anything productive.

Maybe some choose to be bound by the spirit of the law, but evidence of politicians being punished by the letter of the law is scarce. People on the right are likely the only people that would take an unenforced oath seriously as concepts like duty and honor are self-imposed.

The USA is magic dirt. Upon crossing the border, they stand for all the things that make the country great and are no different from you or I. They would in no way influence the country to do things you fundamentally disagree with and just want to earn a living. Humanity is just one mass of people that are all culturally compatible, and it is their right to go wherever they want and do whatever they want so long as it does not directly interfere with you. ...And variations upon similar nonsense believed by some people that should not be trusted to boil water.

Sophists are not dangerous on account of the falsehoods they perpetuate, and the truth is often dangerous, so I will take that as a compliment. Irrelevant. Those individuals experiencing war change over time and invalidates your earlier falsehood about violence begetting more violence.