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    06-20-2017, 05:38 PM
    I want to thank all of my friends here for their prayers. He is doing much better and may be discharged home tomorrow. Just want to share a little story... I have been scheduled to fly this Thursday on a trip (to Mount Athos actually) which was planned a few months ago. I was very excited about going and have been anticipating it for a long time. When my father became acutely ill (he actually went into cardiac arrest as I was driving him on the highway to get to the ED as the interrogation of the implanted defibrillator revealed later). Thankfully, he responded to the shock it gave him. It was the scariest moments of my life and I'm lucky I didn't end up slamming into a tree (it happened just as I was approaching the exit on the highway). Actually, seven times he went into cardiac arrest in the course of 24 hours. By God's grace, he survived.
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    06-20-2017, 10:43 AM
    I think I'm pretty virtuous tbh
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    06-19-2017, 06:08 AM
    So sorry to hear the news. :( May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy upon the soul of the dearly departed and give comfort and hope to all those who our mourning the loss of their loved one. In the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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    06-19-2017, 03:48 AM
    The Salat has been established in Mecca and Madinah (among other cities) since the time of the prophet Muhammad. There has never been a point in history where the salat was not performed in Mecca at the haram since the time of Muhammad. Therefore the salat didn't need to be outlined in the Qur'an for it to propagate throughout the Muslim world. Furthermore the Salat is referred to several times in the Qur'an illustrating it's place in Islam. The Qur'an Only fringe school of thought will never establish a true following for the simple reason that the prophet, his followers, and all the followers soon thereafter did not subscribe to it; and if they did not subscribe to it no Muslim should.
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  • TER's Avatar
    06-18-2017, 05:53 AM
    Sigh. No one here has said that God does not convey meaning to man in propositional form. What is being said is that God can convey meaning to man in more than one way. You are again putting limits on God. Anyway, Happy Fathers Day to you!
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    06-18-2017, 05:48 AM
    In the Isaiah verse you are referring to, it is not the part that says that God was 'pleased' which is at odds with the earlier version, but that He was pleased to 'crush Him' which is in the Masoretic version you keep using. It has already been pointed out to you that the earlier Septuagint version reads 'He was pleased to cleanse Him from His stripes." It says nothing about God being pleased to crush the Lord. When I say official, I mean the Septuagint was commissioned by royal decree and blessed by the High Priest of the Temple in Jerusalem. It didn't get more official than that. The fact that the Evangelists use it almost exclusively and that Jesus quotes from it I guess means little to you. Oh well, to each their own. As far as the Christians Saints are concerned going back to the beginning, it is the best and most reliable translation of the original Hebrew texts we have, which is why the Orthodox Church uses is to this day. It would be good if you did as well.
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    06-17-2017, 11:22 PM
    Btw, Sola, the actual Word of God is Jesus Christ, not a collection of papers with symbols and letters on them written by men. Although certainly inspired and sacred, and conveying revelations about the Word of God, the actual Logos (Word) of God, Who was from the beginning, and through Whom the Father created the cosmos, is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, Jesus Christ.
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    06-17-2017, 11:13 PM
    Also, would add that the Masoretic text, as you have demonstrated by the verses you have posted recently, can mischaracterize God and lead to all sorts of erroneous doctrines on the nature of God, such as making Him to be "pleased to crush His Son", which no loving Father would.
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    06-17-2017, 11:07 PM
    I'm glad you asked! :) Here is a nice answer for the reasons why the Orthodox Church uses the Septuagint and also addresses your concern about translations: GOD’S LANGUAGE We have written about the differences between today’s Masoretic text of the Old Testament and the ancient Septuagint translation of the Old Testament. Actually, since the Septuagint translation was finished about 290 years before Christ, and the contemporary Hebrew Masoretic text was only completed a millennium after Christ, the Septuagint version is almost 1,300 years older than the current Masoretic edition! As we know, every translation from one language into another is, in reality, an interpretation. Every language has words whose full range of nuances and implications cannot possibly be translated accurately into another language.
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    06-17-2017, 10:15 PM
    The Septuagint Text ― A Footnote What many people do not realize is that, as long as we can determine, there have been variants in the Scriptural texts as they have come down to us. Our readers will note that we have pointed out that the texts of the Old Testament that the Protestants and Roman Catholics use today are different from the Septuagint text that the Orthodox Church has used since the time of our Saviour. Why? Some history may be useful here. By royal decree, the Septuagint text was prepared in the third century before Christ in Alexandria Egypt by the best Jewish scholars of the day.* At the time, Alexandria was the greatest centre of learning in the known world, and its library was famous for its completeness and the valuable manuscripts it contained. The Septuagint translation was an occasion of great celebration, and a special day was set aside to commemorate this event in the Jewish community, which, for the most part, no longer spoke Hebrew, especially in the diaspora. (In Palestine the Jews spoke only Aramaic.) Now, with the Septuagint translation, the rabbis could instruct their people again easily in a language most of them spoke (Greek), but, in addition, they could make their faith more readily accessible to the pagan world around them. Consequently, the Septuagint was held in great esteem, and in the time of our Saviour, it was in wide use in the Jewish community (as the many quotations from it in the New Testament testify).
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    06-17-2017, 10:14 PM
    The following articles from this website: http://modeoflife.org/examination-of-the-septuagint-and-masoretic-texts/ EXAMINATION OF THE SEPTUAGINT AND MASORETIC TEXTS SEPTUAGINT VS. MASORETIC: WHICH IS MORE AUTHENTIC? Guns, Lies and Forgeries: A Bible Story
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    06-17-2017, 10:13 PM
    Are you aware that the Septuagint is the version referred to almost every time in the New Testament writings? Are you aware that the Septuagint was considered the official Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible and then only questioned in the second century by Rabbinical Jews because it so obviously pointed to Christ in prophecy after prophecy?
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    06-17-2017, 10:05 PM
    Wrong Sola. You are making a fallacy. Of course it is a translation of the Hebrew text which came earlier, but it is an official translation which was considered inspired and accurate by the Jews everywhere way before Christ appeared, and more importantly, it is the version used by Christ and the Apostles as evidenced by the New Testament writings and the Christians of the first centuries. So trying to say that it is like the difference between the NIV and KJV is simply a cop out or an ignorant statement. If Christ used the NIV, then every serious English-speaking Christian would use that version. The fact remains that in the past week alone, there have been at least 2 instances where you quoted the Masoretic text which gave a compete different teaching about the nature of God and His character than what the actual, inspired Word of God says which Christ used. Sorry, but instead of trying to weasel out, you should humble yourself, correct yourself, and learn the truth. Otherwise, you will continue in your error, mischaracterize God, and speak against the actual Bible.
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    06-17-2017, 09:29 PM
    What I find nuts is that someone who is such a stickler about the Word of God uses the wrong translation with many errors in it and which didn't exist in the time of Christ and the Apostles. How do you reconcile that? I know how! When it flatly contradicts the inaccurate version you use, you say: "who cares?" Well, you should, if you really cared about the Word of God.
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    06-17-2017, 09:21 PM
    I see you are still using the Masoretic text as your 'infallible word of God' and not the actual Scriptures which Christ and the Apostles used, namely the Septuagint which is the standard translation for the Hebrew Scriptures for the Christian Church and has been since the first century. You see, had you used the actual Word of God, and not some distorted version compiled by the descendants of the Sanhedrin centuries after they put Christ to death on the cross, you would learn that the actual verses of the Proverbs ( as found in the Septuagint) reads: Sola, if you are going to try to use the Scriptures to make your point, please at least use the actual Scriptures used by Christ. I think you are being duped by a mistranslation again.
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    06-17-2017, 06:18 PM
    He is still in the ICU. More stable. God willing, he will be downgraded to a regular bed tomorrow. It has been a rough few days. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers.
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    06-15-2017, 11:32 AM
    Thank you everyone. By your prayers and the mercy of God, he has stabilized, but is still in the ICU. Please keep him in your prayers.
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    06-15-2017, 12:46 AM
    In the ICU with my father. Please keep us in your prayers. :(
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    06-14-2017, 07:38 PM
    I will look into it. I have a family emergency. Will talk soon.
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    06-14-2017, 07:23 PM
    Right, but this does not mean that he is the son of a sexual union between Satan and Eve. You are making an assumption that is not there. The two are not necessarily related. What of the Bible verse which says that Cain is the son of Adam and Eve?
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    06-14-2017, 06:50 PM
    Stop causing problems Sola
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    06-14-2017, 06:41 PM
    Not sure what that has to do with the serpent seed theory. Please elaborate. Yet you are repeating their claim. That should cause you to pause. Can you tell me where this is written or taught, within the Scriptures or any Christian writers prior to the 1800's? I am willing to learn. I just have never heard this claim.
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    06-14-2017, 06:26 PM
    A very prophetic verse, applicable not only in the early days of the Church, but at all times, and especially as we approach the final days.
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    06-14-2017, 06:20 PM
    But this verse does not say that the devil is our genetic father or that Eve had sex with Satan. It says that he (Satan) is our 'father' the same way St. Paul said to Timothy that he was his father, namely, that he is his guide and father figure. The Bible clearly says that Cain is the child of Adam and Eve. We not only have to make the conclusion that Christ was referring to Satan as being their 'genetic' father, but also have to contradict an explicit passage of the Bible. It just doesn't add up. It was the Gnostics who were docetists (meaning they considered the material world to be purely evil) who popularized the serpent seed theory and it was outright rejected by the early Church Saints as being a heresy and against the teachings of the Apostles. There are no verses in the Scriptures or in the later writings of the Christians which support the serpent seed theory. Up until less than 200 hundred years ago, no self-professed Christian believed that. We should not ignore this. When we allow the devil to control us and guide us, then we become his children in a spiritual sense. But that doesn't afford us the liberty to conclude that Eve and Satan had sex and Cain was the offspring. Cain became a 'son of the devil', but he was born the son of Adam and Eve.
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    06-14-2017, 06:09 PM
    Meh. Wish I did more than I actually do! Lord have mercy!
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    06-14-2017, 06:03 PM
    You speak a glimmer of truth here, Sola. We shouldn't let obscure doctrine become a distraction from the main focus, which is to have faith and love of God and our neighbor and to follow His commandments. Even if we are right about an obscure theory or doctrine, we should not allow it to overtake us and blind us from the more important aspects. I am not saying this is true for donnay, but for all people, you and me included. God will be more apt to forgive us if we get a doctrine wrong, but not if we live a life without love and mercy.
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    06-14-2017, 05:52 PM
    I agree. I don't discount completely the interpretation of fallen angels mating with humans, after all, much greater men than me, who lived closer to the days of the Apostles, believed that. It remains a mystery as far as I am concerned. But the serpent seed theory is not and has never been a Christian teaching. We should be careful not to confuse the two.
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    06-14-2017, 05:43 PM
    I think I get it now. You are saying that those ascribing to the theory that they will be raptured before the antichrist comes are incorrect and being misled. I completely agree. The 'rapture', or whatever one wants to call it, will occur after, when Christ appears to judge the world.
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    06-14-2017, 05:38 PM
    I agree that the popular Evangelical Protestant version of the Rapture is incorrect, but how are you tying that specifically with the Book of Revelation? I think the Zionist Dispensation doctrine is much more applicable. Yet still, this is simply my guess.
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