• lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:36 PM
    jllundqu I'm sorry for what you all are going through. I saw the other thread but I was gone from RPF for a few weeks so I didn't post on it. I will donate when I get paid for an upcoming website job. But I wanted you to know that I've been praying for your wife and I'll continue to pray.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:28 PM
    Yes.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:27 PM
    Of course, we haven’t made it to the Garden yet! But when we do, I hope we can share of that fruit together, from that same tree, and come together to the knowledge which God wills all to receive, in good time and proper contrition of heart. :)
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:21 PM
    I think there are a number of ways to know about God, he reveals Himself in a number of different ways. But do you believe that those other ways should always be in harmony with scripture?
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:12 PM
    Again, without the mind and testimony of the Church, then we can only rely on the Scriptures. But these Scriptures, though sufficient in proclaiming the Gospel, is not the exhaustive source of teachings and revelations of God. The wonders and beauty and truths of God and what He has done cannot be contained in any book.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:09 PM
    Of course, I am simply trying to demonstrate another example of the way doctrines and Apostolic beliefs get distorted in time by men and women who paint pictures in their own heads instead of heeding the teachings held down by our fathers in the faith. And by the way, as a student of the Bible, I’m sure you might understand the significance of why it was indeed a fig tree. There are no coincidences.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:07 PM
    Hmm. It's certainly possible, but I'd be interested in knowing how they came up with that. I'm pretty sure that the Bible doesn't say what type of fruit it was. Not that it really matters… I hope we can all agree that the important point is about obedience, simply trusting and obeying God. Eve disobeyed, as did Adam.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:01 PM
    The fruit, according to the Saints, was actually a fig, which was considered by the ancient Israelites to be the most royal and beneficial fruits. It wasn’t until the Renaissance when it was painted to be an apple.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:00 PM
    Thank you. I know I need all the help I can get.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:00 PM
    Heh... sorry to put that picture in your mind. The thing is, if we're to believe that the eating of the fruit actually means having sex with the Serpent… It clearly says that Eve ate it and then handed some to Adam who also ate. So Adam have sex with the serpent too? It does get very convoluted and absurd, but I wanted to know if those who believe the serpent seed theory believe that.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:57 PM
    I will pray for you, my friend.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:46 PM
    I know I said I would bow out of this thread, but I feel I must speak now to you as a concerned friend, straight talk and to the point, hoping to shake you out of the trance your are in. Donnay, you are being misled by men with innovative interpretations and heretical beliefs, apart and against the teachings of the Apostles Whom Christ sent into the world. You are making the misleading complete by relying on your own mind as the definer of what is true or not. You have followed the path of Sola and those like him my putting your faith in yourself and your mind to know what is truth or not, calling it “the Scriptures” when in actuality it is your interpretation of Scriptures which you have elevated as the pillar and foundation of truth. You have in fact made yourself to be the word of God, the mind of God, and the voice of God. This is pride and the biggest destructive passion which exists, which has led many to isolation, bitterness, and despair. Do not be so blind woman that you pit yourself against the God-bearing Saints of Jesus Christ, and naively follow the lies and heresies of those decievers who are whispering in your ear and counting the money you send to them. These hucksters who create connections which do not exist and make claims which are distortions and dangerous. They preach a false gospel, apart from the teachings of the Apostles and those who were entrusted to carry down those teachings.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:29 PM
    So even though the writer of Genesis said that Eve conceived immediately after saying she had sex with her husband Adam, you're claiming that those two points can be separated and we can believe that the serpent was the true biological father, even though that's not what it says? I'm sorry, but that's how false doctrines get started… By hinging an entire doctrine on something that just isn't there, it has to be added to the text. Also, you didn't answer my question… Please answer this because I'm genuinely curious to know your answer to this. Do you believe that Adam and Eve had a threesome with a serpent? Yes or no please. :)
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:49 PM
    Hold on, we are not done with the verse yet. So before going to that other verse (which is in a different chapter) let us go back to the verse and look at the pertinent part. Adam had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived, gave birth to Cain ^ This is coming from the writer of Genesis. The following part of the verse (which I didn't post above) was a quote from Eve, but the first part is a very clear statement by the writer of Genesis, who was inspired by God. Are you saying that you disbelieve those plain words? The fact that the passage you are posting from chapter 3 (the punishment) comes before the verse that says she had sex with Adam does not help your case… In fact it does just the opposite. Also, there is so much wrong with that I don't even know where to begin.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:21 PM
    Which part are you talking about? Obviously it's Eve talking in the quoted part: “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” Where did I claim otherwise?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:59 PM
    I agree that Satan set out from the beginning to stop God's plan. But not through having sex with Eve and fathering Cain, which directly and clearly contradicts a number of scriptures, starting with Genesis 4:1 Adam had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived, gave birth to Cain and said, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” I do agree with the angelic interpretation of Genesis 6:4, and in my view that is the way that Satan tried to corrupt mankind. Unlike the serpent seed theory, the angelic interpretation of Genesis 6:4 has a lot of strong, compelling evidence to back it up. I want to say more but I actually have to go right now to do something… But I'll try to come back later.
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  • Dr.3D's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:11 PM
    https://answersingenesis.org/tower-of-babel/how-many-races-did-god-create/
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:10 PM
    I like to look at many different versions to compare them. But the ones I use the most are the KJV, ESV and NASB. I believe that all the races came from Noah's three sons. That is what the Bible says. These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.Genesis 9:19 There can be a number of reasons why different skin colors and features came about. As far as I've seen, the Bible doesn't say much about that. But why so much focus on race anyway? Especially when God makes it clear that the physical is not what matters.
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  • Dr.3D's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:05 PM
    I'm still trying to figure out why we are even talking about the possibility of them being twins. What's the point? What does that have to do with the Serpent Seed belief?
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  • Dr.3D's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:30 PM
    Yes, here is an excerpt from the Matthew Henry notes. https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/matthew-henry/Gen.4.1-Gen.4.2 So what does it prove if they were twins?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:08 PM
    Genesis 4:1 couldn't be more clear. You know a doctrine is false when it directly contradicts clear scriptures and rests solely on adding to the text what is not there. Adam had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived, gave birth to Cain and said, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” Pete is right. Look at the fruit of this doctrine. Even though (as I mentioned before) not everyone who believes it is racist, it is usually used by racists to justify racist ideas instead of viewing people as individuals. It also produces a very "us against them" mindset. It puts all the emphasis on the physical, which clearly contradicts other scriptures throughout the Bible. That divisive or hateful bad fruit is more evidence that this doctrine is not from God. This doctrine is a deception.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:32 PM
    Yes, that has been my experience too, although I haven't had to go to the doctor much in the last several years. It's so cheap to live there too. When I lived in Mazatlan (for missions) I had a cute two–bedroom apartment directly across the street from the beach for $240 a month. I thought that was a great deal, but I met an expat there who said that was actually expensive compared to some other places he knew about. :p
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    Yesterday, 03:40 PM
    Respectfully, I think this view is based on misinterpretation as well as adding on to the text what is not there. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are written in two completely different styles. Genesis 1 is clearly sequential. It describes what happened on each day, and in my reading of it, it's very clear that Adam was created on the sixth day. 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Genesis 1:26–31) Genesis 2 is not written in that sequential style. Also, before I continue I think it should be stated that the Bible was divided up into chapters later, but originally it was not written with chapters and verses. In my view and in the view of others, some of the chapter breaks were poorly placed. Because the beginning of Genesis 2 is actually the end of chapter 1. Unfortunately this can cause confusion, and I think this "eighth day" theory is a perfect example of that.
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  • navy-vet's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:26 PM
    Thank you for this insight. I totally believe that you are right about this and this isn't said enough. Godbless
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    Yesterday, 04:39 AM
    I've heard the same stats from other sources too. I am totally against illegal immigration, so we are in agreement there. I was just saying that there are lots of countries that are more corrupt than Mexico that no one is talking about... And also to imply that Mexicans in general are the same as the ones who cross the border illegally or come to the US with bad intentions, is simply incorrect. As r3v alluded to, many Hispanic immigrants are very conservative, actually. And love the principles that our country stands for. Of course I'm not talking about the illegals.
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    Yesterday, 04:06 AM
    Unless I'm reading this wrong… It appears that the total crime rate overall per capita is actually higher in the US than in Mexico: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/United-States/Crime The homicide rate is higher in Mexico. But I'm pretty sure most of it occurs in Juarez, due to the drug cartels. There is corruption all over the world. In fact, Mexico doesn't even make the top 10 list. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but according to this list they are #91: https://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-corrupt-countries-in-the-world/info-lists
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    Yesterday, 03:24 AM
    I hope that no one here is judging all Mexicans by the few who who break the law by crossing the border illegally, or the ones involved with drug cartels. That would be similar to judging all Americans by a criminal street gang. I've lived in Mexico for more than seven years, and one of the things I like the most about living in Mexico is the people. In my experience they are very down to earth, respectful, decent people… and very family oriented. But of course people are individuals, and like with any country, you have all types, including good and bad. I'm just sharing my own experience living South of the border. One thing I've noticed is that when you drive in Mexico, at least where I live, people are super courteous and will always let you go first… so different than how it is in the US (in my experience) where people get really nasty on the roads, ha ha. Also, I think I've shared this before, but in all my years living in Mexico, I've been pulled over twice (both times for doing something I shouldn't have done) And both times the cops were super nice and let me go with no ticket. I can't imagine that happening in the US, the way cops are these days.
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    Yesterday, 02:41 AM
    You believe that the Bible is 99% worthless poo? Not only is that extremely sad, but it doesn't make sense to me coming from a Christian. Don't get me wrong… I believe that God is revealed in a number of ways, not only through scripture. But what is your foundation for Christianity, if you "mostly agree" with osan's rejection of the Bible? No we don't. That directly contradicts a number of scriptures, including: “But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true–it is not a lie..” 1 John 2:27
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    01-21-2018, 09:30 PM
    :)
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    01-21-2018, 09:27 PM
    Please enlighten us as to why you are here.
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