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    03-05-2019, 01:25 PM
    Agreed on both points. The best argument tends to be one that does not rely on personal attacks and insults. Either way, I wasn't really referring to this in my initial post, just the hypocrisy that is going around. I see many correctly call out people for being trolls. Great. Super. Then they let an obvious troll slip by in the very next post, because that troll happens to support their position. I'm just wondering, what was the point in the first place. The folks that rise above this and don't get entangled in these forum battles picking and choosing which trolls are good and which are bad are some of my favorite posters to read. Sticking to liberty and relevant topics is what I'm here for. I'm glad there are many of these posters still here, because I doubt I would still come around if they weren't. But it's understood, part of the trolls duties is to make the board as unappealing as possible and/or to cause strife/divisiveness between factions that would not otherwise be fighting on trivial issues, which probably have no place on the board in the first place.
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    03-05-2019, 12:54 PM
    If people that are concerned about paid trolls, bots, purposeful divisiveness and so on, why not target all of them equally across the board. I see certain people attack board member A, but never board member B. Then others attack board member B, but not board member A. I'm seeing it happen in this very thread. Paid trolls and bots are a real thing and to think these forums somehow escaped that would be naive when most of the interwebs are flooded with them. I'm just not seeing consistent attacks, which usually comes down to whether or not the troll/bot is saying useful things that elevate desirable arguments. There is no way I am the only person seeing this either. You can detect the patterns relatively easy and it's not just 1 group doing it.
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    03-05-2019, 12:47 PM
    I'm also trying to wrap my head around what is happening. If someone wants to lay out what and why this is happening in the manner that it is, I am all ears. It could simply be a case of members of the asylum being let loose and now trying to run the asylum with Cortez, Tlaib, and Omar. They want inclusivity and outside voices to stand united in diversity against evil Trump, but now that they did that, those same members are tearing apart everything in literal weeks. So now we are seeing scandals and resolutions being raised in rapid response. The problem is, when you look at what is happening abroad right now in Israel, the "just accept it for what it is" is starting to wear thin.
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    03-05-2019, 12:14 PM
    Yes he has, that is true. It's the arrangements of the chess pieces that is interesting.
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    03-05-2019, 12:13 PM
    So at the same time we have her backing up Omar with her Israeli lobbyist comments, and Netanyahu is getting corruption charges coming at him, we then have this. Is this simply the weight of all of the corruption coming down on all said parties, or is an internal war boiling over to the point we are starting to see it bubble to the surface?
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    03-05-2019, 12:04 PM
    A lot of this is not surprising to us since we have been weary of the power Israel has over our own media, all branches of government, and especially our foreign policy, but it's most surprising because the "Trump is 'Hitler', Trump is a 'Nazi', Trump is a 'dictator' MSM pro Israeli lobby has been pushing these notions since he announced he was running, but I guess they are preparing for or are ready to fold up both the MSM and the Congress in order to take a whack at him. This battle is continuing to intensify as we speak. Congress is literally in the process now in making resolutions against Omar:
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    03-05-2019, 11:21 AM
    Again, why is it the socialist, along with Omar, the only ones to stand up to the Israeli lobby crap? This once again proves that every last member of both the house and the senate are bought and paid for by this same lobby and have been for decades. It's beginning to feel that this lobby is in the beginning stages of unraveling, probably in part because this lobby has been surprisingly supportive of Trump.
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    03-05-2019, 11:16 AM
    No way around it, she is right on this one. She just upped her batting average from .000 to .001.
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    03-04-2019, 01:38 PM
    And speaking of supplies, the majority of people driving the trucks, the trains, cargo planes, delivering the essentials and supplies, typically stand with red America. Even if there is no one trying to cut the supplies off, who would be delivering them and how many workers do you need to replenish all the major leftist cities to keep them running, especially the cities farther inland. I think this is why automated technology (self driving vehicles) and AI are something of great interest right now to the elites and their minions. They know they are going to have issues with the current state of lower-mid wage workers who generally vote or side with the rural area gun loving citizens, being one of the key cogs keeping everything oiled and running smoothly for city life. They still need people to do the peasant/grunt work. Cities don't exist or function without this occurring. The problems that would exist go far beyond weaponry and ammunition.
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    03-01-2019, 09:00 PM
    Good. Despite all of the signs that we are sinking as a society and a nation, when you look deep enough, you can see how people generally trust these agencies far less than they used to, certainly nowhere near the level of trust the public had for the ATF in 1993. The reputations of the DoJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, EPA, FDA, CDC are all on the downward trend. Who do we have to thank for that decline in public trust? Ron, Rand, Kucinich and so many others that pointed their bullshit out when they thought they could get away with gross abuse of human rights and liberty. No longer..
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    02-28-2019, 03:06 AM
    This has become more like a semi-annual keeping tabs status report that we aren't ready just yet to eliminate the 2nd amendment, but how close are we? They get a running tally as often as they can to check if they are within striking distance. Or it's just an effort to keep these blackmailed establishment Dems in office for as long as possible because they are representing their anti-gun constituency so fabulously.
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    02-26-2019, 11:33 PM
    He's a pied piper (or used to be) for radicals, extremists, and libertarians, who pretends to be a rebellious libertarian guy. He brings these groups in and brings in their heroes, then he denigrates these heroes over time when they aren't there in person, to try to stomp out the enthusiasm the rebels have for these people. He brought in RP years ago and treated him kindly in person, but has said a ton of negative things about him since, even joking about how libertarianism itself is a pipe dream and that he himself, is not even one, nor ever was. He did this once Trump became president because he has to be opposed to Trump because that's what the network he works for demands, so that's the role he plays. His resume of networks he has worked for looks like a neat little establishment anti-liberty pro-censorship list. So he's right, he isn't a rebel, and never was. He was against the war in Iraq and wars in general while Bush was in there, but got completely quiet about our foreign policy as soon as Obama became president. He is back into attack mode now that Trump is in. Jon Stewart is a similar pied piper for people who are contrarians, but when you listen to what he is actually saying and how he has a double standard based on who is in power, you can begin to see through the illusion.
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    02-26-2019, 10:21 PM
    Bill Maher, you mean the guy that runs Kid Love Productions, the company that ran his Real Time show for years? I think you are correct in pointing out, he is not worth our time.
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    02-26-2019, 05:49 AM
    Agreed. I think people already occupy our highest elected offices with similar mindsets and will only be increasing in density from here on out. People far worse than Nikki Joly exist and as long as they are rewarded and can climb the victimhood ladder higher and higher for simply existing, why would any of these people ever stop for a second when they have nothing else to live for and everything to gain using this strategy. So yeah, I think this is already happening and we are, as a consequence, already suffering.
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    02-25-2019, 11:26 PM
    Good thread. It's telling at this point. I mentioned something along the same lines a couple weeks ago. Had the same board participants mentioning the same talking points and the same similar attacks on their perceived threats, in a previous thread (and many threads that came before and after), and obfuscating the fact that they, in their efforts to be anti-Trump 24/7, will use the pro-socialism angle, if necessary, to make the polemic against Trump and his supporters/defenders here. You don't have to like Trump at all, he is what he is and we aren't getting anywhere near as much reduction in government and deep state power as we should be, and many understandably think that he is a fraudster doing the bidding of the Bush family and the neocons, or that he is on the take from the beginning and was always going to work for the deep state, but that doesn't mean you have to endorse socialism or argue on behalf of it, in order to attack or oppose anyone that likes/supports Trump in even the slightest. This is what is happening, this is why there is a peak amount of neutral or pro socialist posts now on the boards. This is why Tulsi, who is decent on foreign policy (until we actually want to pull troops out), is even being highlighted or talked about here in increasingly positive ways, and her economic policies are being virtually ignored. It's possible many of these people doing this now, are not here because they support liberty and seek to divide our little community here. In fact, I would say it's likely. It's also possible that there are those that joined the liberty/Ron Paul movement in an organic way, but were coming from a liberal standpoint. We had a lot of previous Obama voters come into the fold in 2012. We had people that even voted for Ralph Nader in 96/00/04 or Kerry in 04 that had had it, and wanted to see some real change happen and signed up with RP in 08. The stories are endless, but a lot of these people were likely pro welfare state and pro-centralized government doing good things from the get go. They may have rethought a couple things as RP ironed them out on economics a bit, but now that we have Trump in there, they have unknowingly or willingly regressed back to their big government ideologies in a defensive stance as some of these socialist ideas are now being attacked more than ever, and attacking Trump more hides or deflects away from the insecurity that these people will be seen for what they are. That's what you are seeing and what will continue to happen. The efforts and momentum will continue long after Trump is gone, so make no mistake about it, this isn't about just him, this is about core ideologies that were rotten from the start and are only now being exposed as our own government continues to be exposed for the fraud that it is on the American people.
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