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    Yesterday, 04:00 PM
    Well, I also have lived there. I will tell you it is a overwhelmingly leftist, overwhelmingly pro-multicultural place, overwhelmingly pro-"social justice" (and thus anti-actual-justice) place. It is also beautiful, friendly, etc. There is no conservatism there. There is no right wing there. There's only one side of the argument there, and that side is complete, extreme cultural Marxism. Now this of course is big-picture true, not literally true. There are a few. There was me, when I lived there! I like the guy who does the right-wing paper on Molokai, http://www.molokaiadvertiser-news.com . But for all practical purposes: it's 100% socialist, 100% leftist, and absolutely precisely 0% hope that it will ever swing the other direction. Believe me. Why? Demographics. Sad but fact. But, go ahead and prefer Democrats there (where you've never lived) over Democrats in New York (where you've also probably never lived). You might very well be right that you'd get along much better with the living-off-the-dole SJWs from Hawaii than the brash and abrasive trade unionists from New York. Just depends on your upbringing and temperament.
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    Yesterday, 02:41 PM
    Uh huh. You say this based on...... ?
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    Yesterday, 11:29 AM
    I love your Roads page!
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    Yesterday, 11:19 AM
    Somewhat surprising Hawaii has not banned guns altogether already. Or at least to the level of a New Jersey or a NYC. The political climate there is overwhelmingly Democrat (just another fact showing demography is destiny), and so it is natural they are always going to be passing legislation (I won't honor it with the title of "law") that makes Democrats happy and angers Republicans. They are all Democrats! Why wouldn't they? Probably just sheer Hawaiian laziness that they haven't passed more comprehensive statewide restrictions and bans, now that I think about it. Maybe now they'll get around to it. Slowly. On aloha time.
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    Yesterday, 11:11 AM
    That means it's a wash for me! And thus we see why Helmuth doesn't even pay attention to the market fluctuations. Steady ride; smooth as silk. Thanks, Harry Browne!
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    Yesterday, 11:00 AM
    And, I just can't help myself: WOOHOO!!!!!!
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    Yesterday, 10:42 AM
    This is fantastic! I'm not used to seeing big national elections actually turn out my way. But here it is! A good result! It is possible! Here is the reaction from the opposition. Very telling. Very telling indeed. Here's the thing: they aren't wrong. Whites did this. Minorities voted Remain. Go figure, eh? Just another fact to think about.
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    06-23-2016, 12:26 PM
    Seriously? Have you run across the phrase "cry repentance" anywhere in your Biblical studies? Occasional references to "this untoward generation" and fearless, unequivocal condemnation of "abominations"? When people are bad, the prophets in the Bible seemed to, umm, tell them they were bad. To their face. Straight up. Now that act is not technically shunning, true, but I think most would call it "burning your bridges," after which chummy social relations cease to be. In today's fragile butterfly environment, harsh criticism is not compatible with friendship or close association. Thus, same result. Half a dozen, meet six. Cool. You don't have to wait until you're head of household to be an influence for good, though. You can be an influence for good in your dorm, in your classes, and everywhere. Just from a practical perspective, you know? I'm not against philosophy, politics, and such as hobbies. Obviously! Here I am! Well, it is in mine! :p That's one cool thing about being a Mormon! Theologically, it is highly libertarian. And that's not just wishful thinking coming from a libertarian. There are very deep tie-ins.
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    06-23-2016, 11:31 AM
    If that's the basic crux of your arguments and feelings, I am in agreement with you. Believe it or not! Yes, virtue and morality are definitely not minor. Again: I'm in total agreement. So, are you shunning people who participate in or promote homosexuality or fornication? Are you, personally doing that, CL? See, there's more than one way to gut a fish. Widespread societal pressure and disapproval can accomplish the same thing without state involvement. In fact, it is nearly impossible to envision getting to a place where there are state sanctions on immorality but aren't widespread societal pressures and disapproval. The one is prerequisite for the other, and if you have the one, the other is redundant and highly ineffective compared to the first. Theocrat has a point that families, workplaces, etc., are types of "governments" in a way. There is no moral problem for these "governments" to clamp down on immorality and perversion. And, as I said above, their actions in doing so will be one hundred thousand times more effective than state legislation. So, why not focus on that?
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    06-23-2016, 11:16 AM
    So you're just trying to figure out the right view to have. To get the correct answer. It's a puzzle. Fair enough! Oh, I know! Don't worry, you're not going to hurt my feelings. :) We've all got a lens, CL. We've all got a lens. What's your lens? Maybe it was closer than you think. So, notice: I gave a very off-the-cuff reconciliation of libertarianism with these passages, and even though it was made up on the spot with very little effort or time taken, and even though since I am a Mormon all my thoughts ought to be full of "wacky conclusions" and easily dismissable, in order to counter it you had to resort to all kinds of technical terms and jargon. Super inside-baseball. And even then it was a counter, and not an actual refutation.
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    06-23-2016, 10:46 AM
    In fact the first two are essentially incompatible with the latter two, long term. Actually, everything is incompatible with long-term prosperity. Prosperity is unstable. And, because liberty inevitably creates prosperity, liberty is unstable, too, indirectly. Just a thought.
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    06-23-2016, 10:33 AM
    He did not say "I" will murder you. He said, though -- in my interpretation, not directly -- that he thinks it would be right and Biblical for the agents of the state to say, "Comply or cooperate with my judgment, or I will murder you." He said this when he said he thinks the state should make prostitution illegal. The threat of literal death is always ultimately there behind every decree of the State. Refusing to cooperate with a law, no matter how "minor", even refusing to pay a parking ticket, leads to an inexorable escalation, legally-speaking. Ultimately the refusenik may legally be killed if they resist arrest sufficiently successfully. You are right, Theocrat, that it would be inconsistent to condemn all judgment while making judgments oneself. But you should and must admit that Tod's person "judgment" is extremely, hugely different than CL's proposed civil judgment. Thinking censorious thoughts is quite different than placing handcuffs around wrists or bullets in chests.
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    06-23-2016, 08:55 AM
    When will we know the result? 3.30am The overall picture could be clear, reckons polling expert Chris Hanretty, when Lancaster reports; by then about 200 results should be known. 4am There is another flood of results due including London boroughs such as Tower Hamlets. Hackney lands at 4.30am, Kensington at 5am. 6am Among the last counts to arrive around this time will be from Bristol, followed by Harborough at 7am. It is not impossible there could be recounts but these would be local rather than national: the only challenge to the overall result can be via a judicial review. If the result has not been “called” by broadcasters and news agencies by this point, it could be because the numbers are very close.
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    06-23-2016, 08:48 AM
    Oh, I hope it wins! May England be merry and free again! Make Great Britain Again!
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    06-23-2016, 08:41 AM
    Surely you've gotta understand this is a quantifiably -- and hugely -- different form of "judgment" that Tod is talking about vs. what CL is proposing, Theocrat. One consists of: Thoughts inside Tod's head. The other consists of: Forming enforcement squads, locking people in cages, stealing their money, tearing apart their lives, their careers, and their families, and, most seriously, killing people in cold blood if they too successfully resist being taken. The threat of literal death is always there behind every decree of the State, no matter how stupid and arbitrary (or Godly and Biblical). So there's a bit of a difference between "comply or cooperate with my judgment or I will murder you" and incurring some disapproval from some guy named Tod. The second you can live with. You probably didn't want his approval anyway! The first you cannot live with. Literally.
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    06-23-2016, 08:32 AM
    F r e e d o m !
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    06-22-2016, 09:01 AM
    A solution: Spanish equivalent, of course.
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    06-22-2016, 08:53 AM
    True statement 1: Government policy matters. It matters a lot. That is true. True statement 2: You, CL, do not and cannot really affect government policy. That is also very true. Put the two statements together = this is something irrelevant to your life. Irrelevant is the perfect word. If you can't affect it, can't do anything about it, then....... there you have it. He, he, I know! :D Oh, people are very creative when it comes to reconciling and integrating and apologeticizing. Sometimes it seems it all amounts to linguistic jiu-jitsu. Off the top of my head (and this is not my own view, but it just goes to show how easy it is to come up with these things): All these verses where God is commanding seemingly non-libertarian laws and penalties, to whom is he directing the commands, hmm? Oh, that's right: to Israel! Did he command that Assyria follow the same legal code? Greece? Any other nation? Nope, nope He did not.
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    06-21-2016, 02:31 PM
    I don't think it does offer a way out. You still must pick a side. Everyone must pick a side (or sides, as it's multidimensional). Government is just one tool, and one quite distant and unchangeable (and thus irrelevant) for most people. But are you going to shun people who live together? Are you going to shun dishonest people? Are you going to live a wholesome virtuous life yourself? These are the kind of questions that are actually relevant in a culture war, not "what government policy do you support?". Libertarianism does not require that assumption. It has nothing to do with that assumption.
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    06-20-2016, 01:46 PM
    Ha! Credit where credit is due, that was a good line. :D You made me laugh.
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    06-20-2016, 01:45 PM
    Well I haven't said anything about the OP. As is my wont. I apologize that this may be a little confusing at times. I just come in and have conversations I think will be interesting, whatever thread they may be in, whatever the thread may originally have been about, and often I do not even notice what the original topic was (or I forget). As I say: regarding race and immigration, you and ROL have fun playing in that sandbox. Maybe I'll come back and discuss more about culture when I have more time. I do appreciate you said some things I didn't address. But it's not really something one radically changes one's mind about due to an internet discussion, is it? It's basically a religious thing, or at least it is that deeply engrained. I am perfectly satisfied that it doesn't matter to you, and I am highly skeptical that I can change your mind and make you suddenly a big pro-family values guy if that wasn't how you were brought up.
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    06-20-2016, 01:35 PM
    Now I'm not getting into this, mind you, but actually there have many twin studies, and there have been some fascinatingly strange results, at least some of which would seem to support behavioral heritability. Non-twin studies, too. Weird stuff, like kids who, say, never met their dad at all, never were in the same room with him, but turn out to have many of the same very unique mannerisms or quirks. Anyway, not attacking you or taking sides, you just made me remember these studies.
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    06-20-2016, 01:13 PM
    Well that's fine. I would be more interested in your opinions than his. Here's the thing: there's more to life than immigration policy. And immigration policy, it turns out, is a particularly fruitless thing to debate or even discuss, as a person's position on it seems to be almost entirely dependent on his or her temperament and unconscious psychological causes, not rational deliberation. The next time I debate the issue on RPF (if I do) I will probably do it with myself.
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    06-20-2016, 01:02 PM
    I can: making clear what it is you are debating! What you are contesting at all! That is really super-useful! And I can do that! AuH2O's original point: Culture matters. No culture = no liberty. Now a very honest response from you to that would have been: I don't care about culture. That's what I kind of guessed, and what you have now confirmed. So great! So, what's the debate again? Am I supposed to persuade you of the importance of culture? How would I go about that? What would a "debate" about the question "does culture matter" look like? I asked you several questions about your thoughts, opinions, and inclinations regarding culture, questions of the type that could be potentially fruitful and interesting. You flippantly totally skipped and ignored these questions. And yet you're going to try to get all wound up and give me a hard time about not answering your single yes-or-no trap "question"?
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    06-20-2016, 10:14 AM
    People are poor (and becoming poorer) at written communication. This guy seems very poor. You seem to be having little to no success e-mailing him. I would recommend: Go back and talk to him in person. Bring the laptop, of course. Assume good faith. Be pleasant, friendly, and just befuddled at the problems, but confident he can understand and fix them. Now he may not be able to fix everything, he may not be a very good repairman, but the point is that it would be completely counter-productive to assume that at this time. Do everything you can to help him make it all right again, and that includes making him like you, not be hostile. Based on what you wrote, it's not 100% sure that he messed it up by being stupid. Sometimes with older stuff like this, everything is in a delicate balance so-to-speak, and you change one thing, it could change others and have unforeseen and somewhat inexplicable consequences. That's why computers have the motto: Change Is Bad. ;)
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    06-20-2016, 09:57 AM
    Don't worry about HB, I'm sure he's fine. He's probably just busy right now climbing Camelback Mountain in chainmail armor. :D
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    06-20-2016, 09:52 AM
    Well yes, but really he just agrees with me on immigration. I think that is ROL's main issue. Now on the other side of the immigration issue is one ZippyJuan -- utter Big Government statist leftist. So... which poison would you recommend I choose?
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    06-20-2016, 09:48 AM
    Thanks, but just as a note I am not in agreement with everything that you post (of course, that's probably true of everyone!). As I wrote above: a lot of the data we have is ambiguous.
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    06-20-2016, 08:48 AM
    It was not a very useful or interesting question. It was not going to open up new vistas of my evolving thinking regarding culture to your view. It explains how prosperity causes something much worse: the collapse of a civilization entirely. The state is like a cancer on the civilization -- painful, ugly, unbearable, parasitic, torturous. But the collapse of the civilization is even worse. That's when the patient dies. Better to have cancer and still be alive. Anyway, state growth is also a symptom of the epigenetic temperamental changes brought on by the soft life. In particular the building up of the welfare state cocoon. But are you really interested in any of this? It seems, again, that you are just desperate for some "thesis" as you put it, which you can then wildly oversimplify, reduce down to one sentence, and then proceed to "refute" by gems of enlightenment such as "white people are socialists, too!" No, r3v, I think (and correct me if I'm wrong!) that you are not particularly interested in culture as the bulwark of liberty, not enthusiastic about restoring strong family values and traditional moral strictures, and in fact are highly skeptical that such puritanism would be beneficial, much less essential, to our cause.
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    06-18-2016, 11:14 PM
    See post here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?495791-Degenerate-BLM-storms-stage-to-censor-Milo-security-does-NOTHING&p=6238360&viewfull=1#post6238360 It's all in the book Biohistory, which is mind-blowing and is the cutting edge of historical and praxeological research. You again are, to my perspective, trying to simplify everything down to black and white, in order to avoid the hard thinking required by complexity. Or, in this case specifically,: in order to try to determine whether I am a Bad Guy whom you must hate or a Good Guy whom you should love.
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