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    Yesterday, 11:13 PM
    LIFESKILLS- PHONE MEETING WITH MY VOLUSION ASSISTANT FOR SITE ORIENTATION AND WHATNOT. ALSO FINDING MORE SHIT TO SELL IN MY STORE. AND CHANT HOMEWORK-MOSTLY PROSOMIA TOADY.
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    Yesterday, 04:43 PM
    Yeah, I see. These things exist. Would you have them in the hands of Barack Obama and Donald Trump? These are individuals who presume to speak for MILLIONS of human beings. I agree with your unspoken premise that I don't want these things in the hands of the insane. But here's the thing - they're not going to end up in the hands of the insane... because generally speaking, the insane don't have enough money to land these things. But even if they do end up in their hands... How are we worse off in a world without the State than we would be in a world without the State?
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    Yesterday, 04:23 PM
    // :thumbs: Pretty easy, ain't it?
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    Yesterday, 04:20 PM
    Are you reading the posts I'm making, or just the posts you're quoting? Because you only seem to quote me when I lash out - which I do admit I do from time to time. But I've been making very logically consistent arguments in most of my posts in this thread and this sub-forum.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:17 PM
    Yeah, I do know what you mean. Do you?
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    Yesterday, 02:42 PM
    Again, you're peddling nonsense. We're talking about Big Ideas here, and you're arguing semantics.
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    Yesterday, 02:35 PM
    :thumbs: Tho' I would challenge this assertion: "An anarchist USA is indeed an oxymoron and ain't happening." I would suggest that there were people who said the same thing about abolitionism in the early 19th century, yet they've been proven wrong by the march of history. I've held for quite some time now that the State will die when a majority of people hold it in the same regard as they hold human chattel slavery. That time may or may not come some time soon, but it is of the same distinction.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:29 PM
    This isn't a response to anything. It's cute, I'm sure, and it's nothing more than a tacit "might makes right" argument, which is wholly in line with your worldview. And your use of the phrase "Dear Leader" is MAGNIFICENTLY ironic, considering that YOU advocate such a political paradigm. But of course, you don't know that, or maybe you do and you're just playing games. Either way, intelligent people who understand logically ordered arguments aren't in the least compelled by your quips.
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    Yesterday, 02:20 PM
    NNNnope... please see above.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:19 PM
    These are excellent arguments against the state, of course. And in the case of the "minarchist" State, we have documented evidence that it does not work; in fact, we have evidence that what the minarchist State becomes is a ravaging beast which destroys everything including and in particular human liberty. So, could you please explain how you - as a minarchist - have as a goal the maximization of human liberty, please? I mean, what is the foundational principle upon which you advocate for your preferred order of society?
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    Yesterday, 06:06 AM
    Which generations were that, exactly? The one that Founder John Adams imposed the Alien and Sedition Act upon? "Freedom" is a gray area for you, isn't it? There's no such thing as an "American". There are human beings living under the imposition of the State of the United States of America.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:22 AM
    How are you going to keep "THE POPULACE" from subverting all the good you do when you inaugurate your "CONSTITUTION"?
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:21 AM
    :lol: Well what the F GOOD IS THAT!? :lol:
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:21 AM
    So, your answer is 'no', then. Then what good is the Constitution? If the governing document - the document which says what the State may and may not do - of the American State cannot contain the State, it isn't worth the paper it's written on. So what are we supposed to do? Pretend that every several decades (if even that long, when you actually look at the historical record) that we can inaugurate a State - an entity with ultimate authority over the human beings living within it's physical territory - and try, try, TRY to keep it within the paper box we build for it? WHAT A LEGACY TO PASS TO OUR CHILDREN! :LOL: Didn't you read Shelley's Frankenstein? That's what happens when you mess with Nature. AT LEAST statelessness aligns with the nature of humanity - that there is no objective standard by which one or some subset of man may rule over other men.
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    Yesterday, 05:14 AM
    Is the American State currently governed by the Constitution?
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:12 AM
    EVERYTHING YOU SAID BEFORE THAT PARAGRAPH DESTROYS YOUR ARGUMENT FOR THE CONSTITUTION. Jeezus. How are you so blind to this?
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:06 AM
    lol, everything you wrote before that last paragraph was literally an eulogy to minarchism, yet you assert that statelessness is "la-la land where the nature of man needs to change!" :LOL:! Seriously, how do you miss that?
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    Yesterday, 04:26 AM
    It troubles you because your guiding principle seems to be 'order'. Perhaps not, but this statement makes it seem so. You argue that practically we cannot have a stateless society because some subset of humanity will organize themselves into a State and destroy or enslave the stateless society. Fine. That's not a philosophical argument against the stateless society, it's a practical argument against it. Can you give me a philosophical argument for the State which aligns with the nature of Man? Also, I do honestly understand the practical argument for the State. But I have to wonder why you folks like to point out that there has never been a successful stateless society (even tho' that's not really accurate, and additionally that the kind of stateless society we advocate here hasn't ever really been tried) yet can't acknowledge that the very order of society YOU advocate HAS in fact been tried and has in fact FAILED SPECTACULARLY.
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    Yesterday, 04:08 AM
    While I'm on about it I'll also add (as fish armor, or maybe occam's banana, often correctly points out) that we ARE currently living within the minarchist's conception of the State; in that, those with the authority to determine the length and width of the State (in our case, "the People") have expressly stated that our current level of capital-G Government is the least amount of the State that we cannot do without. Now, minarchists may argue that for this very reason "democracy" is not the way to establish a minarchist state; that monarchy is preferable to democracy, because one man is more easily contained than "the People", if I may be succinct with that argument. Yet in either case, the scope of the State remains to the caprice of men, or a man. Ultimately what one does when he advocates for a State is to metaphorically put the objective nature of man as ordained by God (or Nature if you prefer), on the rack while asking him (or them) to not take advantage of the situation to his (or their) own ends. In a world without the State, as advocated by us anti-statists here, we at least acknowledge an even playing field. We do NOT advocate a position of advantage for some subset of mankind, whether it be one man (monarchy), a few men (oligarchy), a majority of men (democracy) or some machination of the latter ("constitutional republic", etc.). Anti-statists (if you will) acknowledge the objective nature of man and seek to align human society with that nature. That is a philosophical and principled position. What is up for debate, of course, is the practical implications but, again, from a philosophical point of view the anti-state position is unassailable. Now, we argue that if the philosophical position is objectively correct then that is what should be put into practice. As it should be. The debate here SHOULD be to upend the philosophical principle first, then to recommend how the principle - the objective reality of human life - should be put into practice. Anti-statists do that here. The Statists do not. They start from the practical, without ever formally acknowledging the underlying philosophy. The argument for an order of human society (be it statelessness or the State) should start from a defensible philosophical position, and a person should take a logically consistent position if he wants his ideas taken seriously. Otherwise, we're left with nothing more than castles made of sand, where there is no rhyme nor reason as to what is or is not acceptable. Such a society inevitably leads to chaos, as we see in our world today as a consequence.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-19-2017, 04:59 PM
    +rep, sir. I'm surprised to see a member whom I recognize to be somewhat of a regular here to make such a foolish statement. I'm staggered that such a woeful misunderstanding of our view of statelessness/voluntarism persists here, after literally YEARS of debate on the topic.
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    10-19-2017, 04:54 PM
    You are mistaken. (You probably also haven't read the history of police and law in Murica, chronicled in various posts and threads by AF and I) The town that eliminated the police- :) http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2017/jul/12/without-warning-city-eliminates-police-depart/437834/
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-19-2017, 04:47 PM
    A - your assertion that a stateless society would be conquered holds as much weight in this discussion as my (sic) assertion that a stateless society would not be conquered. In other words, you have no proof, nor do I. B - Working to form a government in and of itself does nothing to assure that said government would remain within the (presumptive) scope you would lay out for it. Please see the founding of the Federal government of the United States. As such, there is a real-world, specific example of the failure of your ideology (i.e., "minarchism"). In practical terms, we can reference a specific point in human social history where an effort was made to establish a limited state with the VERY goals which you have specified; and within a scant 240 years, we can see that this institution has metastasized and turned into a virulent institution which not only does NOT preserve individual liberty, but which specifically upends and obviates it. Theoretically, you may be correct that the thoughtful statelessness that we "anarchists" here advocate may be an undesirable situation for mankind... Fine; yet that is nothing in the face of the actual, real-world SHTSHOW that your so-called "minarchy" has ACTUALLY wrought upon humanity. So, ya know, stick your theories about what you think might happen in a stateless world up your own ass.
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