kahless
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CNN in true form of being the public relations arm of the Democratic Party sent out their own wire piece yesterday trying to discredit Kelley Paul on this issue in defense of Cory Booker. The article sounds like they are pleading with the reader to believe them. Truly disgusting the lengths CNN is going through to defend their Democratic party masters. CNN Wire: Sen. Cory Booker has nothing but respect and admiration for Sen. Rand Paul and his wife, Kelley Paul http://www.wthitv.com/content/national/495217201.html If this is what Booker believes, it should come from him and/or a press release from his office not some CNN reporter rushing to his defense saying what he thinks Booker believes.

Did hell freeze over recently, first Lindsey Graham and now Susan Collins speaking a significant amount of truth.

We were watching the coverage and I was just saying about these people watch way too much GOT when they were shouting Manchin down.

His cozying up to Trump is a real concern. He is the last person you want to have in Trump's ear. It was only a short while ago he called for a hot war against Russia. The hot war statements alone were so irresponsible that it should have resulted in hearings questioning his competence to remain in office. It is a real concern when the news media lavishes someone like Graham with praise when he gets something right for a change. Since where does this go next? It runs the risk of normalizing him and normalizing his more wacky policies and statements.

Brainwashing and convert? Are you drunk? How do you even get that out of my post where I clearly pointed out my and this forums historical opposition to him on various policies? Hitler was good to his dog. Let say the Democrats oppose Hitler being good to his dog. I agree with being good to our pet dogs so I agree with Hitler and would oddly be on the same side as Hitler when it comes to dogs. Would that make me a convert to Nazism and brainwashed by Hitler?

There is some truth to that however if you live in this country one has no choice to use whatever means necessary to achieve greater liberty. With the two party system having full control and outsiders having no realistic means of effecting change, one logically has no choice but to work within that system in order to achieve those means. The majority of outsiders have come to that conclusion rather than the pipe dream of a civil war or doing nothing. btw - I do not see the Republicans going as far as trying to limit the 1st and 2nd amendments, promoting abortion, campaigning on raising taxes or to stay on topic of this thread falsely accusing people of rape and making claims anyone that drinks is unfit for public office (including if you ever had a few beers as a teenager).

Who is doing that here? Not seeing it in this thread. Is there another thread you are referring to?

Never mind.

What thread are you reading? You do realize you are posting on RPF, a forum in which Graham's history is obviously known to everyone that posts here. It is just oddly amusing that someone we all put allot of hate into regarding his policies and behavior for once says or does something some of us here agree with it. He changed his stripes recently, likely as some said he knows which way the wind is blowing and our candidates can make use of it while we can. Likely a benefit of McCain dying.

Exactly. I sometimes wonder when reading here whether those that promote others to do nothing and make these equal comparisons are being true to their anarchist beliefs. It certainly would be an effective strategy to herd people to do nothing for the purpose of limiting support for candidates that believe in the 2nd amendment, among many other things.

ah and here I thought it was the establishment telling him to surrender.

There is some truth to that meme however I live in reality. Imagining that I am free and wishing to live free is not going to make it happen. I learned that we will never have greater liberty by surrendering and that libertarians are being conditioned by the establishment to surrender. We will never experience greater liberty in our lifetimes by surrendering. Rand, Amash and some others understand this. They are working within the Republican party and forming alliances when necessary.

What a crock of shit. I never said he was some fantastic Conservative choice. See post # 3 above where I say, "I would have preferred someone more Conservative". The Democrats SJW choice would have been far worse in this environment. You are still thinking it is pre-2016. The Democrats want to silence and end you at this point. My points tonight were all about the precedent being set in society by the far left with the tactics being used by the Democrats against him.

Evidently you did not bother to read my posts in full. I am not some huge fan of Republicans but from what I am seeing the Democrats and their news media are the ultimate extreme enemy at this point. If I have some greater liberty under the Republicans where we can make inroads and alliances from within I will take it over your choice of surrender.

So ultimately you disagree with his comments and support the tactics of the far left such as guilty until proven innocent against Supreme Court nominees in this process?

I would say you are a grammar Nazi but maybe I should say Muslim Brotherhood member considering you intentionally missed the point I was making about alcohol :D "greater enemy", you know, the Democratic party that are basically promoting public mocking of Conservatives, guilty until proven innocent and basically saying you are a gang rapist if your drink beer on weekdays.

No doubt, but I am not going to bash him for comments that I agree with. If it is necessary to use Graham to stop the far left from further screwing us then so be it and will just oppose him on all the other nonsense. As I expect though 50% of RPF will recommend Rand or whomever sitting on the sidelines or oddly opposing Graham' comments and against forming alliances to fight a far greater enemy. Kind of like fighting against Trump for the benefit of Hillary. Not saying Trump is perfect, far from it but still on policy proven to be far better than Hillary.

Well I hope you and Matt with his multiple threads bashing Kavanaugh rather than the far greater enemy do not drink of weeknights. My take from the hearings is if you drink weeknights you are potential rapist.

Rand believes otherwise. I would have preferred someone more Conservative but if anyone wanted to take him down on policy on either side they could have but they didn't. The opposition rather set a precedent for our society that all men, especially old white men are guilty until proven innocent.

I normally feel the same way with that last line but for the rest I think there is a threshold the Democrats have crossed. They have gone way too far the last few years and it has been building up to a boiling point. What they are doing is not limited to the national political theater but with the intent for it to trickle down into our every day lives. Even if we wear personal cameras and rig up are homes and cars, there is a prior history where they can make shit up to take you down if you do not agree with their beliefs. An accusation is now you are guilty until proven innocent in their society which lets face it despite Trump being President they control the cultural norms through the news media and entertainment industry. I do not have a problem with the Democrats having opposing views. It is the means they are now using to achieve these goals and conditioning society with these beliefs in our every day lives.

It is not prior to 2015. It is a whole new ball game now. What the left and the news media is pulling off is far more frightening than anything we have seen in the past. As much as I disagree with Graham on said things, in this cold civil war it seems we have no choice to pick sides or temporary alliances. It is either agree with the extreme far left 100% in our lives or be guilty to whatever crime they prescribe until proven innocent. This means our careers and businesses are at stake regardless of whatever squeaky clean lives we have led. With that said I am all for exposing real rapists in a court of law based on legitimate evidence and I do not give a damn how long ago it happened. However this is not how the Democrats and their news media are presenting ourselves. They are basically saying if you are a man or worse an old white male you are automatically guilty. If any woman accuses you of anything you are automatically guilty and must prove your innocence. As Americans we should not stand for a political party that believes in we are guilty until proven innocent. I am not about to wear a camera 24x7 to protect myself from these people who are are far worse then any foreign threat. My point in making this thread is to say despite ideological differences maybe it is necessary to fight along side those we disagree with to put these leftist scum in their place.