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    Yesterday, 07:32 PM
    Part of "as best you can" is using the brain God gave you to not do incredibly corrosive, destructive things like giving cash to beggars. Anyway, I've made my point ten times over. You have, as expected, not appreciated it, not found any truth in it, and indeed have almost certainly not understood it. If you did, you gave no indication. Anyway, no big deal. You should have just ignored my post like I said. :p I just had read those verses many times recently and had a reasonably interesting and unique thought about them and wanted to share. Not with you, but with anyone who might find the thoughts interesting or valuable. I likewise have not yet given any indication that I understood your point, so let me say: you are saying that just because the seed falls in stony ground, doesn't mean it wasn't worth casting the seed. We are just His simple servants and only mortals. Our job is to just cast the seed, to try our best and follow Christ's example and counsel of loving generosity, then the harvest is in the Lord's Hands.
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    Yesterday, 03:45 PM
    That's exactly the point! You want to tell Jesus "I was an enabler. Because of me you died of a drug overdose in the motel a block away from your overpass hangout. I didn't care. It wasn't my business."? Hmm? Results matter! Reality matter! Your Good Feelz: Not So Much!
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    Yesterday, 01:45 PM
    Wait, wait, wait. All these years, erowe, you have kept carefully saying you're just for the freedom to immigrate. Not that you want to see the country turned Third World necessarily. Just that we keep that option open. All about freedom. Now you are saying that decreased border crossings are a bad thing in and of themselves? These people are choosing to not cross the border. Isn't that their right? Isn't that OK, too? I think maybe some True Colors are accidentally coming out. Is it not so much about freedom for you, but instead about advocating ThirdWorldism? Anything that reduces or slows our Third World transformation -- even slightly! -- is in itself a bad to you. Did I get that about right? Nail on the head?
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    Yesterday, 12:51 PM
    Sounds great, Ender! I'm just saying that maybe it matters what, exactly, it is that you're "doing unto" these people. In fact, no maybe: I'm saying that it does. It does matter, and it is our business. You can't just, like, do whatever you want; whatever "makes you feel good." Then you're "doing unto" them in a very different sense! I would also propose that the ability to make a good living hanging out at intersections with cardboard sign is not what these people need. Giving them that is not helping them. Handing money to them is not helping them. It is hurting. Like so many things, it seems to be kind. It seems to be loving. But it's not.
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    Yesterday, 12:33 PM
    Thanks, Pierz. Good job.
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  • PierzStyx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:27 PM
    For reference so others can understand what undergroundrr is referencing, here is Ron's stance on the issue.
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  • helmuth_hubener's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:26 PM
    Suffice it to say it's extremely conservative and radically boring. Or is that radically conservative and extremely boring? It also involves way too much gold for anyone who "knows anything about investing." So: unorthodox, unpopular, and unappealing to pretty much everyone on all sides of the spectrum! :D
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  • PierzStyx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:25 PM
    The constitutionality of a law does nothing to determine either its merit, morality, or justice. State welfare laws are constitutional, they are also immoral and theft. Same with state sanctioned murder. And I will once again provide you the definition of murder, from dictionary.com- No matter how you try and spin it, the years of planning that goes into executing someone, the intentional decision to take their life, the general disregard and hatred for those executed, and the deliberate method of taking their life all fit the definition of murder that all of us generally accept and which have been codified by law. It is murder. The crimes one has committed does nothing to change this fact. And your efforts at pendantic tangents do not dilute my original argument, that killing neither accomplishes justice nor vengeance. Not to mention the completely idiotic idea that teh state should be able to kill people and teh absolute violation of liberty that is, as Ron Paul points out in his opposition to the death penalty:
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    Yesterday, 12:19 PM
    But Mormons aren't Christians™, so I'm all good! :D
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    Yesterday, 12:16 PM
    There is an argument to be made against the death penalty. That argument just doesn't happen to be "We should have a government of laws, not of men." There is also an argument to be made against vigilantism. Which has yet to be made in this thread. I'm just keeping things clear and accurate. :)
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    Yesterday, 12:15 PM
    You may be right that there is no way to gain true justice. We can only hope to approximate it as much as possible. I don't see how that would bring any peace. I think we think it would bring peace. But I don't think it actually alleviates the pain we feel in any true way.
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    Yesterday, 09:05 AM
    And, a quite explosive one we had not perhaps anticipated: Mormon vs. Mormon! :D
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    Yesterday, 09:03 AM
    Pierz was actually arguing against the laws. His claim is that the carrying out of laws, just and Constitutional laws, duly and somberly passed, which require the execution of murderers, is itself murder. Now you may be just speaking against vigilantism. If so, that is on the side of law. But that is not the position Pierz has taken. That is not what he was speaking out against.
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    Yesterday, 08:53 AM
    Have you, personally, r3v, walked around extensively in Muslim slums? What tremendous Experience and Insight do you have to offer all us morons on RPF? Please detail it so we can judge your credibility to hurl judgments, insults, and Enlightenment at us.
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    Yesterday, 08:46 AM
    You have already said you strongly feel that everyone on RPF is a moron and a loser and unfit to talk to and that you hate coming here and were going to leave. You made, like, a big dramatic exit. So..... why did you then come back under an assumed name? Why do you keep coming back?
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    Yesterday, 08:38 AM
    Not that I'm resigned to it remaining this way. I'm not. I'm actually optimistic that it can be changed for the better. Sanity is on the rise and on the move.
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    Yesterday, 08:35 AM
    Tod, please, please don't churn my stomach with revolting images like that... thing! <shudder> Seriously. But it's a good point you raise. And the Apple Store has indeed had multiple class action lawsuits brought against it, IIRC. It's just the world we live in. Luckily for Apple the rewards of success have been far bigger than the punishment of doing what needs to be done for that success.
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    Yesterday, 08:22 AM
    First off, Ender, don't take this personally, because I already know you are not interested in what I have to say and will not find this post enlightening nor helpful in the least. I am not talking to you. I am talking generically and just using some of the statements made in your post as inspiration, as a jumping-off point, for some thoughts which are my own. OK? Are we cool with this? OK. Please don't take any offense, and feel free to ignore this post entirely. In fact, please do. Let me quote what I think is a relevant scripture on this matter: "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
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    Yesterday, 07:52 AM
    And during your entire life, and that of your parents, and that of your grandparents, it has been true. They bemoan this fact because it is true, it is a fact, and it is a sad fact. This is what happens when you tax the smart and shove resources into the gaping mouths of the stupid. Now some of us may want to shove resources into the gaping mouths of the stupid; we may like shoving resources into the gaping mouths of the stupid; we may even deeply believe it's the right and good and moral thing to do. We may be very angry and disappointed at reality for being so cruel and evil as to punish our "good" behavior with horrendous, disastrous results. "Bad reality! Go to your room!" Or we could accept reality, learn from it, and realize that an action with ugly and horrible results cannot possibly be virtuous and lovely. There's a bug in your morality.
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    Yesterday, 07:21 AM
    Oh, Pierz. :rolleyes: Should I crush him? If there's a big popular demand, I'll do it. Otherwise, I just can't see the point. He won't even notice he's been crushed. Suffice it to say one of us knows science (and has even done science!), while the other of us wants to dress up in the Mantle of science.
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    03-28-2017, 04:51 PM
    I can't say what I would do if I walked in and found it happening. And I don't think I could judge anyone who killed someone in that instance. But that isn't what we have here. Here we have an opportunity to find real justice, not just dish out punishment. The urge to punishment is understandable, but that is why these types of decisions aren't in the hands of family to begin with. Justice requires clearheaded thinking, not our raw emotional reactions.
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    03-28-2017, 04:48 PM
    Sure. But animals are not people. And people do not lose their rights when they have done something evil. This is what it means for a right to be inherent and inalienable, natural and permanent. And I don't see how you committing the same kind of mistakes and evils that the justice system does makes you any better than it. Indeed, it seems you would be becoming what you hate most.
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    03-28-2017, 04:45 PM
    I absolutely agree that the current justice system is inherently flawed and doesn't dispense justice to the people. Your every criticism is exactly on point. But I wasn't really talking about the justice system. And the problem with passion is that the extremity of our emotions are not usually inclined to justice. I don't feel differently than you. But if we want a just society then we can't be ruled by raw emotion alone. In fact I agree that just putting a killer in a mental ward wouldn't accomplish justice either. Justice is about restoration, giving back as much as possible what was taken. We all acknowledge this just about everywhere else. If someone steals from you, what do you get back? What was taken or compensation of equal value. This is why executions can never accomplish justice, because by killing the person you are actually ending their ability to restore in anyway what they have taken. So, what would justice look like in this case? That I will admit to not knowing. Since a child was horribly murdered, perhaps lifelong indentured servitude would be a more just sentence. Instead of killing the person, make them work the rest of their lives providing labor and wealth to the family.
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    03-28-2017, 04:38 PM
    Nope. In reality assassination accomplishes nothing. It is the system that gave the tyrant power and that system still exists after the tyrant's death. Only a new tyrant will come to power.
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    03-28-2017, 04:37 PM
    Actually it does not. There is absolutely no evidence that proves that the death penalty deters people from killing others. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/04/30/theres-still-no-evidence-that-executions-deter-criminals/?utm_term=.6d23dfbb1133 For a longer, in depth look, here is a paper from Dartmouth on the issue: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/JLpaper.pdf The only thing proven about the death penalty is its liabilities, the expensive nature of it and the fact that thousands of people a year are convicte dof crimes they did not commit, including murder.
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    03-28-2017, 04:31 PM
    You apparently don't know what the definition of "murder" is, so I'll help you. So, in what way is the planned state sponsored execution of another person, one which is years in the planning NOT murder? It is murder. It fits all the needed qualifications for the definition. So you are, proved by evidence, wrong. Killing another person is only justified when they are in the act of trying to kill you. When someone is under arrest they are not an active threat to your life in any way. Therefore you are not justified by self-defense in killing them. Removing a person from society can be accomplished in ways other than killing them. But more importantly, that isn't the goal of justice. Justice is about restitution. Killing the murderer actually violates justice and prevents it form occurring.
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    03-28-2017, 03:46 PM
    https://getwrench.com/ They just raised $4 million.
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    03-28-2017, 03:40 PM
    No it's not. Killing is sometimes (often) justified. Not all killing is murder. Killing of grievous aggressors is not murder. What it accomplishes is: the goal of the act. Namely: • Removes murderer from society permanently. • Prevents murderer from fathering further children thereby perpetuating his faulty genes.
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    03-28-2017, 02:45 PM
    May? May? May? The studies and the evidence are clear: reliance on technology as a substitute for mental exertion does 100% definitely result in lowered mental function. As does anything else which lessens mental exertion. The mind is a muscle! This is an intra-lifespan single-person effect (i.e. you yourself become stupider), in addition to the inter-generational collapse of intelligence that is being caused by, well, fundamentally by escaping the Malthusian Trap.
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