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    Today, 01:03 AM
    Sorry, I couldn't help but notice... is that supposed to be a response to erowe1's post? He's questioning the validity of a statistic and you say, "We need to stop it now before it gets bigger!" Yeah, ok, but what about the actual numbers? Were you aware of what the post meant or are you trying to change the subject? Or, in your old age, did you accidentally assume that questioning these statistics is somehow affiliated with a certain viewpoint and the connection does not need to be forthright stated in order for you to exploit it? I honestly don't understand how you got from "Source, please" to "we should let it get out of hand", which seems to be the viewpoint you are replying to without it ever being stated in the previous post.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Today, 12:11 AM
    That's a heterodox and un-traditional understanding, but you're free to it. By Apostolic Succession (and/or study with those who have done so plus canonization as a Father). You're right that men don't "establish God". He revealed Himself voluntarily. They established His Church (beginning on the day of Pentecost and continuing on in succession).
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:50 PM
    It's a title given to those men who founded and/or nourished the Christian Church (now distinguished by the term "Orthodox" because of all the schisms and heresies and whatnot that have arisen over the years) in the first millennium. https://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_FathersWho are the Fathers? Those fathers who wrote in Latin are generally called the Latin Fathers, and those who wrote in Greek the Greek Fathers. The very earliest Church Fathers, of the first two generations after the Apostles of Christ, are usually called the Apostolic Fathers. Famous Latin Fathers include Tertullian, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Ambrose of Milan, and St. Jerome, the translator of the Vulgate; famous Greek Fathers include St. Irenaeus of Lyons (whose work has survived only in Latin translation), Clement of Alexandria, Origen, St. Athanasius of Alexandria, St. John Chrysostom, and the three Cappadocian Fathers, Ss. Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian, and Gregory of Nyssa. There are many more, however. The Desert Fathers were early monastics living in the Egyptian desert; although they did not write as much, their influence was also great. Among them are Ss. Anthony the Great and Pachomius the Great. A great number of their usually short sayings is collected in the Apophthegmata Patrum. A small number of other Fathers wrote in other languages: Ephrem the Syrian, for example, wrote in Syriac, but his works were widely translated into Latin and Greek. Though the Roman Catholic Church regards the 8th century St. John of Damascus to be the last of the Church Fathers, the Orthodox Church does not consider the age of Church Fathers to be over at all and it includes later influential writers in the term. The Consensus Patrum
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:29 PM
    Yeah, my brother Osan does some great work! :)
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    Yesterday, 10:24 PM
    Now that you mention it, I reckon you're right! :D :cool: :thumbsup:
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    Yesterday, 10:23 PM
    Perhaps interesting, but incorrect. He should read Martyr's dialogue with Trypho (among many other things). You can read many volumes of the Church Fathers here free of charge: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:09 PM
    What I said was rude. Forgive me. I just mean to say that you are not addressing this topic as a Christian, but more as an Israelite of the Old Testament. These laws in Deutoronomy do not necessarily apply anymore.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:05 PM
    The principles of liberty and the principles of republicanism are directly at odds. The former presumes the individual to be self-owning. The latter assumes individuals to be property ("citizens" in legalese Newspeak) of the state, which are in turn property of the federal regime. This was well understood by thoughtful men back in the 18th century, hence the very specific language of the BoR and the Anti-Federalist papers.
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    Yesterday, 10:04 PM
    Christ came a lamb, in a manger, a baby in a cave. To those who sensed the sign of the times, He did make an impression. To those who saw Him raised from the dead, He changed their entire lives. To those who did not believe, He was barely something to mention : A magician, or charlatan, not worthy of the ink and scroll. Christ came a lamb. He is coming back a lion.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:49 PM
    And why your fascination? What have the Saints said regarding prostitution and fornication?
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    Yesterday, 09:37 PM
    CL, which Christian writer ever taught these things you are saying?
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:31 PM
    Of course "states" can't "do" anything. They are legal fictions and exist only on paper and in the minds of those who "believe". The "powers" that the "believers" think they have is nothing more than gangs of men violating the rights of their fellow man (in the name of the fiction "state"). When a goon in blue locks up a peaceful person simply for growing a plant that's a violation of rights. The goon "justifies" this attack on a fellow man by claiming that a "state" has "ruled" that such plant is "illegal" (please, tell God about it-He created it). Thus the goon (himself a man I think) thinks (believes) that he has a power over others when in fact he only has a gun and the willingness to use it to kill those who are not "believers". It's the worlds most dangerous religion...
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:20 PM
    The OFFICIAL thread, indeed. Pretty sure this is the only one-google fu doesn't turn up another one. I expect Jones to win by knockout. There will be lots of grappling, though. I do wish DC would quit being a douche outside the ring towards JJ. SMH. Probably Hunt FTW in the co-main-just my SWAG. Also, Tate and Aldo FTW.
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:42 PM
    Well the obvious solution is for Turkey to make explosives illegal. I wonder why they haven't thought of that??
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    Yesterday, 07:36 PM
    Yeah, one of the first things I said when someone told me about the huge number of dead was "how many did the goons shoot?"
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:34 PM
    Yeah, unfortunately now the price will be so high because of the "buyback" that no one will be able to afford a non-mutilated one...
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:40 PM
    Believes personal lubricant to be a Human Right^^
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:07 PM
    Yes. That is why I was sure to write down that the Holy Scriputres are the ultimate written authority, and why I explained that it is the Holy Spirit which gives anything in creation authority, including the Scriptures and the Church. I agree. Thankfully, God established a Church in which the gates of hell would not overcome so that the wolves in sheep clothing and false prophets might be revealed when they teach things against what the saints before them taught and the holy matrys died confessing. If that is the way you understand religion, then I agree, it is similar.
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    Yesterday, 11:33 AM
    The Holy Scriptures are the ultimate written authority. But the Holy Spirit, Who is God of God, gives it this authority, just as the Holy Spirit gave the first council in Jerusalem it's authority. The Scriptures can unfortunately be misinterpreted and mistranslated. In order to discern the correct interpretation and correct understanding, we must above all pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten us, and then seek the Church, which St. Paul says, is the pillar and foundation for truth. This is what St. Paul did and what he and the Apostles taught. It is easy for us to individually misinterpret something (because our framework and knowledge and wisdom is limited to our own personal experience, and we are sinful and imperfect beings), that is why we must seek the community of the faithful and especially the pious and graced amongst them, and seek what their voices say, to learn what the consensus and voice of the Church is. This is what St. Paul did after his conversion. Although he was graced by the Holy Spirit and baptized and beheld the risen Lord, he still travelled to Jerusalem to consult with those who were the leaders of the faith, those who were before him, so that he would not preach in vain things he believed which were actually against the witness of the Church and the teaching of the saints. Though full of zeal and purpose, reborn a Christian true believer, and graced with the Holy Spirit from God on high, he still understood the importance of self-examination and humility and obedience to those before and above him. We may believe we are inspired by the Holy Spirit, but our own passions and desires can also cloud our thoughts and distance us from truth. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth and not division. So, when we believe or interpret something which is different from what the voice of the Church proclaims and has proclaimed, we must be ever cautious lest we are preaching a new gospel and distancing ourselves further from the truth and that holy communion. There is no religion in Christianity. There is a way of life, which is as a member of the body of Christ, the Church, which is the communion of united believers around Christ Himself. Christ said He came to establish His Church, which is to be His Bride in the culmination of this age. We should then take seriously, as St. Paul did, and as all the holy men and women since the day of Pentecost did, to deny ourselves, humble ourselves, and in faith and trust, enter into this communion, united in mind, spirit, and flesh, as one body partaking in one divine and sacramental love which is the Holy Trinity. For this is the Kingdom of Heaven, as taught by the Saints, to be united with God.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:26 AM
    Thank you! I guess the next questions is, what scriptures were they studying? As there was no official canon of Scripture for the Jews at that time, I would guess it included the Prophetical books, the Psalms, and the Wisdom books in addition to the Torah. St. Paul was a Pharisee (who were regarded as the most noble of the Jewish sects, notwithstanding that Christ reprimanded them about hypocrisy), and they held on to the dual authority of the Written Law (the Torah) and the Oral Law (the traditions and teachings and other revered texts from the fathers and holy men before them). Likewise, within the Christian Church, the Holy Bible is authoritative (the most, it can be argued) as are also the teachings of the Saints and Holy Traditions which followed the time period of the Scriptures and which the believers have held to be God-pleasing, God-inspired and beneficial to the faithful.
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:23 AM
    It's a scam because there was nothing really wrong with these cars. Yes, they put out a very small amount more pollution than what they are "supposed" to, but even that amount was next to nothing. When you have them "fixed" they will consume MORE fuel which means MORE pollution (HELLO!!!). These cars are available all over the world where they are not so crazy about emissions. Getting more MPG is the answer to emissions. Burning less fuel is the answer to emissions. Now Volkswagon even has to pay $2.7b into an EPA fund for "environmental impact". What a foulking SCAM! I may find one of these cars and buy it yet before it can be damaged by the "fix"... Details below...:mad: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/business/volkswagen-settlement-diesel-scandal.html?_r=0
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:02 AM
    None of this still even touches on why people were not exiting through the many exits. What was keeping people in there? Did the shooter have them all laying on the floor with threats to shoot anybody who stood up?
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 10:06 PM
    Even if we disregard the CONstitutionalist POV and only accept anarchism(my preference, in all disclosure), there would still exist the concept of private property. Do you think the typical private property owner would be okay with trespassers, foreign or domestic? I highly doubt it, as property owners are normally rationally self-interested and thus do not want trespassers on their property. Even the more "liberal" anarchists accept the importance and legitimacy of property boundaries. (See "Boundaries Of Order" https://mises.org/library/boundaries-order-private-property-social-system by Schaffer and "Privatization Of Roads And Highways" by Block https://mises.org/library/privatization-roads-and-highways)
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  • TER's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 09:18 PM
    I think she comes back repentant and saves Winterfell.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 08:36 PM
    I AM STILL WONDERING ABOUT OYARDE TIME, THOUGH. HOW DO I CONVERT MOUNTAIN TIME TO OYARDE TIME?
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 08:35 PM
    THAT'S RIGHT! ONE OF THE COLLEGES I ATTENEDED IS LOCATED ON A RESERVATION. THE INDIAN ART IS VERY NICE. THE HEARD MUSEUM HAS A LOT OF NICE PIECES. :) http://heard.org/
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 08:27 PM
    IS THAT CLOSE TO MOUNTAIN TIME? THERE ARE A LOT OF INDIANS LIVING IN THIS TIME ZONE. NAVAJOS, HOPI, ETC.
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