• helmuth_hubener's Avatar
    11-08-2017, 10:35 AM
    So you are equating rapists with Jews? Nice. In a free and good and libertarian society, and in any functioning society, really: criminals must be punished. That's so basic! I have said in this thread repeatedly, apparently to your, and especially to Ender's, chagrin that criminals should be punished. Yes, I would be glad to have the situation "First we came for criminals. That's the only ones we came for. The End." I'm OK with that "dystopia" of leftists, because for everyone else who isn't a crazy bleeding-heart leftist, it sounds pretty good!
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    11-08-2017, 10:26 AM
    I'll have to defer to railroad. He's the expert. He's read the file, he says. I have not. So, we'll ask him. He can help you with your inquiry. As for me, I have little interest in low-IQ communist rapists. I just think they should be hanged. That's the extent of my interest.
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    11-08-2017, 10:23 AM
    Then they are probably left-leaning. The yoga heuristic wins out, by far. Obviously. No traditional, conservative man anywhere does yoga. Now what if he eats granola AND hunts grizzly bears? You guys are joking around, which is great, but surely you do know that what I'm saying is true. When you meet someone in person, and talk to him, get to know a few things about him, you will be able to almost always have a very good prediction of where he stands politically. It's just a thing we humans can do. Left and right are real. The CIA was not there in the French Revolution. Just because libertarians don't always fit on either left or right doesn't mean almost everyone else in the world doesn't. We have to live with and accept facts.
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    11-08-2017, 10:11 AM
    I am quite sure I don't have one. So... nothing to believe nor disbelieve. Any other clever questions?
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    11-08-2017, 10:05 AM
    YES! As well as the right to defend others, as happened here.
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    11-08-2017, 10:03 AM
    Ha, ha! Zing! I accuse your hero of being a rapist, and you in turn will falsely accuse me of contemplating murder. You're a willy one, railroad. Tit for tat. It's just strange that being a criminal would not dissuade you from hero-worshipping a person. That reading in a person's FBI file, as you did (and what kind of strange person takes the time to do that?) that he was a rapist would not dissuade you, but, apparently, further convince you of his goodness. Doesn't that seem strange? I will go through it: 1. Going around raping people is bad. 2. Rapists can't be heroes, if we are to have a civilization.
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    11-08-2017, 09:39 AM
    Consider: How much does it matter how high on the "liberty scale" a given President is? What effect does that have? What about long term? I mostly like to think long term. That's the most interesting! And challenging. And, and here's the kicker, important! So is it possible that what's more important than how liberty-oriented they are in the present, is what long-term effect their policies will have for the prospects of liberty? For the next 100 years? I think it is. I think that is important. Something to think about.
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    11-08-2017, 09:33 AM
    Please refrain from alluding to facts that could negatively reflect upon a certain very special ethnic group: "Posts should not promote negativity in collectivist mindsets that view humans as members of groups rather than individuals. Such forms of collectivism include anti-semitism; they will not be tolerated here." http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?1989 Please re-read the guidelines. Thanks.
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    11-08-2017, 09:24 AM
    What do you know: that's true! I'm so glad you agree with me so thoroughly that you must bring in new statements to talk about, things I never said, just to keep the convo interesting, so we have something to go back and forth about. Thanks, I appreciate it. So yeah, of course the right is fine with talking to the black folk. You know who else talked to black people and visited the inner city? Do ya? I know ya do! It's Big D, The Donald, DJ Trumpmeister! He talked to and about them a little bit different, though, didn't he? "Blacks love me!" And maybe didn't have Al Sharpton on his arm? I don't remember The Donald ever having Al Sharpton on his arm. Maybe it happened? Did I miss it?
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  • helmuth_hubener's Avatar
    11-07-2017, 07:35 PM
    OK! Sorry that I upset you (the internet's not worth it!). Make it a great day,
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    11-07-2017, 07:31 PM
    Absolutely there is. Both. Everyone already knows this. You don't need an NIH grant; you can dispense with the white room. I mean, come on. Has leftist stupidity really so successfully detached you from all semblance of reality? But as Dannno accurately points out, that doesn't mean they're more virtuous. Single mothers in particular are toxic. They do abuse their children, and that is very sad. :(
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    11-07-2017, 07:14 PM
    I don't know what you mean by that, but I just had some simple questions. Wouldn't it be easier to just answer them? I mean, why wouldn't you want to? They're not trick questions, honest!
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    11-07-2017, 07:08 PM
    Ahh, so you did know, but decided to idolize him anyway. Bizarre. I invite you, as an exercise, to formulate an explanation of that which you would be proud to tell your daughter. Do his "virtues" in your worldview: his negroness, his commieness, and his egalitarianness; do these really outweigh the fact (or at least extreme probability) that he was a RAPIST? So, when are you adding this latest mass murderer to your pantheon? Pretty sure his FBI file says he's a mass-murderer. So it must not be true. And all the child-raping Hollywood Jews?
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    11-07-2017, 05:51 PM
    Like an internet thread about a murderous scum is some kind of holy place? Now why won't you answer my simple questions? Why won't you call the murderous scum a murderous scum? Hmm?
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    11-07-2017, 05:48 PM
    All of the above: Extreme, Ultra-Right, in roughly descending order of Right-ness, with the exception of the last one which becomes left enough we could probably still consider it left. This is in relation to Current Year. See, these are relative terms, of course. Left of what? Right compared to what? Because Cthulu swims left, we find ourselves having gotten way, way, super left of anything normal in the past in this Current Year. So, any document or occurrence or person that existed/happened/lived more than 100 years ago is automatically guaranteed to be ultra-hardcore-right-wing nutcase. If you transported literally any adult European -- any! -- alive more than 100 years ago to the present, he would be a uber-reactionary, traditionalist hard-rightist.
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    11-07-2017, 05:39 PM
    MLK, for instance. Violent. Criminal. Scum. You do know your hero and avatar is a RAPIST, right?
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    11-07-2017, 05:38 PM
    Umm, it is as I presented it. If the point is just "look, here is a person; this person was not killed; that is a good thing," then OK, obviously, but originally it was presented as if there was something special about the murderer's wife(? or g/f?) and child, that it was particularly light-filled and blessed that they did not die. That, I do not understand. We might as well start posting about how it is a ray of light that I, Helmuth, was not murdered by him. Specifically me. Right? It makes no sense. What could and does make sense would be to say that it's good that a brave and bold and honorable man shot the murderer before more people were killed. That makes a lot of sense to say to people who are, like, normal. But it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to rejoice and be happy that two particular individuals weren't killed, when there seems to be nothing special about them other than one was related and one had chosen to be with this murdering scumbag guy.
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    11-07-2017, 05:24 PM
    Than what? Me? Not possible. ;) :rolleyes: As if anyone has "Milo" as an intellectual leader. And "seem"? Lame. No, everyone knows men are way more violent than women. Obviously! No "seem" about it. Men are DIFFERENT than women (Heresy! Heretic! Burn him!) That was a different (though of course related) abstract argument, but whatever. If your "ray of light" point was meant solely as: "It's nice that 10 people were murdered instead of 11," than certainly you have no disagreement from me. It's a strange comment, an unbelievably ploddingly stupid, obvious comment, but yes it is true that 10 is a smaller number than 11, or 20 than 21 or 22, or whatever. To phrase this as 'a ray of hope' adds an additional layer of bizarrity, as if every time there is a large slaughter of people, anyone sane anywhere then says, "I take comfort and find a little ray of light and hope and solace that 47 people were massacred by a Truck of Peace instead of 48." While it is true that all positive integers can be incremented, this normally does not strike humans as a "ray of light." Why in the world would you write his name? Why does anyone? Why has anyone in this thread?
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    11-07-2017, 05:05 PM
    Well, I think it is. We all die. A thousand years from now, who will care who you were? Who will care whether you were oppressed or not oppressed or whatever, whatever... details! If you had children, there may be a million little you's around, influencing the direction of mankind far more, in all likelihood, than you ever did while you were alive. The most important thing you will have done, by far, was to have your children, raise your children, and make that Million Man KCChiefs Army a reality. "Children are, like, the future" -- Miss America
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    11-07-2017, 04:55 PM
    Yes, well, you're probably right... but it sure made the thread suddenly interesting, didn't it! :D I do like to push the envelope -- it can be pret-ty revealing, illuminating, etc. Sometimes just to see if anyone will be able to refute me, or at least try (no one every does any more :( ). As trained hypnotist Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) says, people actually hallucinate surprisingly often. We make up stories in our head of what happened to make what we did OK, or what the other guy is saying that means we're right, or whatever it is we need in order to make ourselves look good to ourselves. The brain is like a Press Secretary. No matter what happens, no matter if the politician just totally contradicted what he said yesterday, she is going to defend it and spin it to the best of her ability. So to get at the truth, we have to, well, we can't fire the Press Secretary, but we need to make an effort to at least put her on paid leave every once in a while. So we can see what's really going on and, in this case, what others are really saying.
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    11-07-2017, 04:45 PM
    :D! Mercy is for the weak! MAKE ME READ! As long as I can edit them, to add in additional material about how Martin Luther King was a Disgusting, Criminal RAPIST. Then that'll be OK. :)
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    11-07-2017, 04:41 PM
    Oh, I said multiple times the son should not be killed. As, somewhere in your brain, you know. :) But another part is suppressing that info. But it's OK, luckily it's a written convo not a spoken one, so you can just look back and see. Solved! I am wondering specifically if you think this murderous scum, well, now I wonder an additional thing. Namely: 1. Do you think he was a murderous scum? And then the original thing: 2. Does this murderous scum "deserve" a legacy? Does he "deserve" a progeny?
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    11-07-2017, 04:23 PM
    Ender: Right- killing a relative of someone who did a wrong is sooooo Christian. We'd probably all be dead if that was a law. WAKE UP "Through blah blah blah" "neutralize them..." ""Hoo-hoo ah-ah"" "WHAT YOU REAP"
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    11-07-2017, 04:10 PM
    On that point, specifically (which is all I thought you agreed with)? You believe that this person, who dishonorably killed a bunch of folks in their church, deserves a legacy and deserves a progeny? ORLY? I thought it was based on a post by undergroundrr about what a wonderful ray of sunshine it is that he killed two random people instead of his own wife and kid. Like, somehow it would be worse if he killed them? Serves to make a pretty pointed point about how I feel about murderers. Serves as well as to show, perhaps, how some other people feel about them. That could be pretty useful, when deciding who in your "movement" to trust. Don'tcha think?
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    11-07-2017, 03:43 PM
    Umm, did the CIA cause the French Revolution? Or was it Mossad? Or M16? I can absolutely prove to you these are highly significant heuristic terms. They are, objectively, scientifically useful. You yourself can probably predict with a surprising degree of accuracy someone's political opinions based on very, very tiny amounts of completely unrelated information. Or is it so unrelated? It can't be, since it's so predictive. Male, drives a Volvo, does yoga, has a housecat. What does he think about abortion? Male, lifts weights, commercial pilot, eats steak and potatoes three times a week. How does he feel about gun control?
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    11-07-2017, 03:35 PM
    From Ender: I refute you thus: So, umm, if anyone tries to hang you, you will throw bananas at them? Got it. Q.E. and D. I will consider myself refuted.
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    11-07-2017, 03:26 PM
    So there's not much we can do. Exactly. But if he had chosen to take out his own family, well, good riddance. One less risk for the rest of us, and he clearly proved himself unworthy to populate the future. He doesn't deserve a legacy. He doesn't deserve a progeny. I'm sure you'd agree. And, very importantly, the time taken to murder his own kid would have given him that much less time to murder anyone else. It's cold, but the case is air-tight.
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    11-07-2017, 03:22 PM
    And cheered. It's coming back, Ender. The K-shift is on its way. There's gonna be a lot of hanging. How you like them apples? Tasty!
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    11-07-2017, 03:17 PM
    It is actually the only sane and healthy position to want for murderers to not successfully reproduce. It is, in fact, the only position that anyone ever had, at least in Europe, for thousands of years. They would never have even considered that anyone could actually have an alternative crazy position. That's why they, like, killed them, Ender. Hung them by their necks in the public square. They didn't want murderers around, and they sure didn't want to risk them having kids. These things are genetic. Most everything is genetic. Unfair, but true! You don't let murderers reproduce! That doesn't mean you kill their already-unfortunately-existing kids after the fact. But it does mean that if they choose to kill two fewer random normal people (who are almost certainly not at genetic risk of being murderers) and instead kill two of their own family members, that would not be something to lament; that would be, all in all, probably a better outcome.
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    11-07-2017, 03:10 PM
    Stop it, guys. We cannot say anything negative about any groups, ever. Nor about any individuals nor about any actions in connection with any groups that the individuals or actions are associated with. Please abide by the rules. Thanks.
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