CaptUSA
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Man, you really put a lot of importance on voting. I harbor no illusions that voting (or not voting) will save anything. That's not how our system works. But there is an opportunity, if enough people want to, to throw a monkey wrench into the cogs of the machine. It won't bring the whole machine down, but it'll upset the machine operators. That's worth 15 minutes of my day. ETA: I think what's really behind this is that you think not voting gives you some moral high ground and I'm threatening that concept of yourself. But really, you can do whatever makes you feel good. I'm just saying that just because everyone doesn't come to your same conclusion doesn't mean that they've been duped.

Two things can be simultaneously true. First, this two party system is corrupt to its core and elections are not going to fix it. Secondly, that one of these two parties IS GOING to be making decisions and hiring people and setting administrative policies that WILL affect our lives. So, while we're working on the first part, it does us no additional harm to try to leverage the second part as a way to break down the barriers of the first part. Remember, one of these administrations is going to have executive power for the next 4 years - that harm is already baked in. It's going to happen no matter who you vote for or if you don't vote at all. So, I'm taking that as a given and looking down at the second layer and asking myself, which administration gives us a possibility of throwing a monkey wrench into the cogs of the machine. Will it destroy the entire machine?! You'd have to be an idiot to expect that! But can it cause damage and fault lines that people will notice? There's a chance. Thinking that voting is some magic tool, rather than simply casting your lot, is just silly. If you don't want to cast a lot, or you want to write-in Ron Paul (like I usually do), or whatever else, that's great! But I'm taking a different tack.

Are you sure about that?

The last time we talked about this I landed on "He should have just Spartan kicked her." There's really no such thing as a "good shooting" in my book because something has gone wrong to get to that point. (I guess shooting a deer when you're hungry is a good shooting but that's besides the point). I think there should have been a trial of the officer who should Ashley Babbit or at the very a public adversarial hearing where he had to explain himself. I don't buy the "It's obviously murder" argument that Tucker Carlson and others gave who seem to always want due process and "wait for all of the facts" for every other officier involved shooting. (I'm not sure what Tucker has to say for the officer who has now admitted he shot Sonya Massie in the face because he took "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus" to be a threat.) As for the point of the Babylon Bee sketch, I get it. I'm just making a counter point. It's misleading. And everytime I've seen Fox News cover January 6th being "peaceful" the only show the peaceful parts. CNN only shows the violent parts. Same in reverse for the BLM protests. Dr.3D hit the nail on the head. There were two sets of protestors on January 6th. There were two sets of protestors for the BLM protests. Both sides have people who can honestly say that the protests they were involved in were peaceful. And I'm certain there were government provecetures who inflitrated both groups. And in both groups there were people who were not with the government who got carried away with the violence because they were gullible and impressionable. And that is how you divide and conquer. Go all the way back to the Tea Party protests which were followed by the Occupy Wallstreet protests. Both groups were made about the same thing yet both groups saw the other group as the problem. There is an old video that I can't find now of a Sarah Palin supporter who just couldn't believe Palin supported the banker bailouts. We're so easily manipulated it's not even funny.

Go ahead and refuse to play if that's the way you want to play it (see how you're still playing? "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice") I won't disparage anyone for their strategy here. But we WILL have an administration setting rules and spending our money next year. I'm not a "lesser of two evils" type of person, but I know which administration will have a better chance of causing the machine heartache.

You laugh, but Trump should be up by 30 points in every swing state. The economy is in ruins, foreign policy is a disaster, invaders are flooding our borders, they tried to kill Trump and couped Biden, the dollar has never been more in jeopardy, and Kamala is an obvious puppet of the machine. And yet, it's still close. Because Trump SUCKS! Look, I want him to win, but damn he SUCKS!

That is a feature of an empire; not a bug.

The Lesser Evil Gambit works very well.

They'll steal Arizona. Again. I doubt they'll be any more subtle about it than they were before. That's probably where the shooting will start.

That's not the strange part, though. You have to admit PAF has a point. The strange part is, even now that they're being completely overt and transparent about it, people are still looking at the two major party candidates like it makes a difference which gets installed. Not any more. Now they're just two flavors of slavery to give us the illusion of choice one more time. The slavery is about to start. Which flavor? Pick your poison.

At least they have the sense to admit they have no idea what they're looking at. They aren't using X-rays, so they have no idea if what they're seeing is metallic or biological. The 1960's style cartoon drawings don't help; it's almost like sites do things like that just to destroy their own credibility. But as the vaxxed walk around growing "calamari" in their veins, it's hard to deny there's something weird growing out of those jabs.

I certainly hope this scuttles any silly talk about Trump relaxing the Fed's legal tender laws...

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1833266372971044901 1833266372971044901

Not any more. Now they're just two flavors of slavery to give us the illusion of choice one more time. But there might be bread, maybe. In any case, there will be bloody circuses... How are they getting away with it?

I was in between Nashville and Birmingham at the time and I don't disagree.

So one false positive (that I know of) so far and one indictment so far. And this indictment is a federal indictment in the Northern District of Albama which, as I pointed out to Swordsmyth, is still occupied by a Trump appointee. See: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndal/pr/undocumented-individual-charged-connection-voting-fraud-and-passport-fraud#:~:text=Using%20the%20same%20false%20identity,and%20from%20Guatemala%20in%202022. We'll see how many of the 3,000 "alien voters" turn out to be false positives, how many turn out to be indictiments, and how many are never resolved one way or the other.

Do you honestly think that multiple people smashing windows of barricaded doors is the equivalent of moving a podium around as in the OP video which pretends none of that even happened? And I've explained this to you before but you have selective amnesia. Had she been allowed to come through and the cop arrested her others could have climbed through when he was dealign with her. He should have kicked or shoved or punched her back through the window instead of shooting her, but it wasn't as clear cut as you try to pretend. And the fact that it was a "95% functional barracade" (your words) is enough proof that they had no business trying to cross it in the first place, let alone smashing the windows to try to cross it. That's the point. The Babylon Bee's spoof is misleading on what happened. I hate Ashli Babbitt died. But to pretend that the protestors smashing windows with clubs and helments were "peaceful" is laughable.

I"ve seen video of Ashli Babbit asking the police who were standing in front of the door to let the prostestors through because the protestors were on their side (the police). No I can't find it now but I saw it. Kneeling in the window? Wow. That's some creative word salad. Nobody "kneels in a window." She was crawling through it. Her husband claimed that she was trying to get away from the protestors, which again flies in the face of what she was seen saying to the police. Also as the 3 police who were there walked away she could have gone with them if she was really afraid. Or she could have asked them to stay at their posts if she was really "deployed" at the capitol to work with them. Had they stayed at their posts the windows wouldn't have been smashed and she wouldn't have attempted to crawl through and gotten shot. Seconds before she crawled through the officer that shot her revealed himself and showed his gun. Someone yelled "He's got a gun." That should have been enough warning not to go through the barricade, but she went through anyway. As she got shot there were SWAT officers walking up the steps to replace the officers who left. The officers who left should have stayed at their posts for another few minutes. As for the whole "How many were government hired help?" How many of the violent BLM / antifa protestors were government hired help? That's definitely been proven to have happened. Both sides claim theiir protests where peaceful and blame any violence on government infiltrators. Here's an idea. Don't got ot mass protests if there is any chance there will be violence by anybody and leave as soon as anybody does something stupid. The "Q-Anon shaman" didn't smash any windows but when he entered the capitol he came in through a smashed window when the open door was right next to it. Like, why would anyone think that was okay? I feel sorry for peoiple like Dr. Simone Gold was wasn't even there for to election protest but was speaking about medical freedom and got caught up in the crowd and ended up pleading guilty to two federal misdemeanors. But at least she didn't get stuck with a felony.

Am I trying to make you dishonestly move the goal post? No. You're doing that fine on your own. You didn't intially say that the Georgia school shooting got more coverage than a subway shooting. You claimed that the subway shooting got no national coverage. That was provably false. But now you want to pretend I said they got the same amount of coverage when that's not what I said and you know it. You're better than that. Yes. School shootings get more coverage than just about anything that happens. There is a reason for that. It's because they are school shootings. How much more coverage did the white Irish girls stabbed by a Muslim person of color get than the Georgia school shootings? A hell of a lot more and you know it. Rather than focusing on the real story here, that school resource officers stopped this from being another Uvalde by taking the shooter down without even kiling him, you want to strangely make this about whether or not a white killer gets more coverage than a black killer focusing on the race of the killer rather than the innocence of the victims. No sane person, and I am questioning your sanity at this point, expects the reaction of the random murders of children to not get the same level of coverage as the killing of homeless adults. I even pointed out to you that when two white men murdered a black woman in Nashville Tennessee by pushing her into the Cumberland River while she was sleeping that got ZERO national coverage! Based on your twisted racial view of the world that should have been 24/7 coverage for weeks because "racist white men murdered a black woman they didn't even know in her sleep." But nope. No coverage. None whatsover except on the local news. But you don't want to talk about that because it's not fitting your narrative.

So...now you're down to straight up dishonest? I really thought better of you. You made a mistake when you falsely claimed your subway shooting story was only local when it was coverened nationally. I don't know why you can't just own up to your mistake instead of trying to change the subject. You are, or at least were, better than that. Last year's shooting of the "sweet 16" birthday party got a lot of coverage too and it wasn't an election year. And I never said this shooting wasn't getting more coverage than it deserved as Brian4Liberty is saying. So why do you feel the need to make up stuff?