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    Today, 01:31 AM
    The full question is if they said "Drop the gun and show me your hands?" Yes you would drop the gun. Some have suggested if he dropped the gun, but didn't turn around, he'd be alive. And yes I know that if he wasn't out at 2:30 am he'd still be alive. And if he wasn't hanging with a gang banger he'd still be alive. I've said that....repeatedly. I don't know if you have really followed what I've said on the subject, but I've been harsh on his mom who didn't know where he was for 72 hours (though I get the explaination that she might have been afraid to call the police) and the gang banger he was with. I'm not sure what the "community" in general has to do with it. But maybe I'm missing something.
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    Today, 01:18 AM
    So rather than answer my actual question you go on a rant about things nobody disagrees with you on. Whatever dude.
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    Today, 12:26 AM
    Covered. But this all begs the question. Who did get hit with the fire extinguisher? I saw the video. Somebody got hit.
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    Today, 12:24 AM
    Okay. Your decision pal. Now say if, for whatever reason, you found yourself in the kid's position. No I'm sure you wouldn't have been out at 2:30 AM hanging with a gang banger. But you heard the shot, went out with your gun to investigate like you said, and you heard behind you "Drop the gun and show me your hands."
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    Yesterday, 11:51 PM
    The fence was in front of him. So...yes he did. If there hadn't been a fence it's still quite likely the cop wouldn't not have seen the gun if he dropped it...tossed it...whatever in front of him when he had his back to the officer.
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    Yesterday, 11:49 PM
    I bet the last thing the woman who made the twitter video expected was to be offended at a drag queen show.
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    Yesterday, 10:36 PM
    Ummmm...okay. With his back to the officer, the only way he could have "placed it in front of him so that the officer could see" was to turn around with the gun in his hand. He put the gun down in front of him. But you see it as you see it.
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    Yesterday, 09:16 PM
    I just FINALLY watched a video that had the clip of the officer's instructions and not just the "freeze frame" people keep talking about. Right before the shooting occured the officer said "Show my your f--king hands! Drop it! Drop it!" Yeah, I get that he shouldn't have been out at 2:30 am. I get that he shouldn't have been gang banging. I get that he shouldn't have let that 21 year old who shot the gun hand it to him. Yeah "play stupid games...when stupid prizes." Okay. Got it. High stress situation. Got it. The kid shouldn't have turned around? If someone told me to put my hands in the air okay. But if someone told me to "Show me your hands" my first thought is you want to see the PALMS of my hands. It's possible to hold something in the palm of your hand even if your hand is outstretched. Even a gun. Yeah...^that gun is an antique and maybe there is no modern equivalent. Regardless, that is not an uncommon instruction for police to give. A quick google search and I found this article. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article229407089.html
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    Yesterday, 05:59 PM
    Fauci... iron bars... you can guess the rest.
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    Yesterday, 06:43 AM
    Fair enough. I have known single mothers who felt powerless to keep their kids out of gangs. She might have just hoped for the best as he was "hanging with the homies." (I am assuming she was a single mother because nobody has mentioned a father in this story.)
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    Yesterday, 06:26 AM
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to RJB again. True. This 13 y/o could have easily gotten killed by another gang banger and it wouldn't have been anything but a blip on the news. There are lots of issues to look at. I got into a lot of mischief as a youngster too. And my parents weren't perfect. But at least they were parents.
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    Yesterday, 01:07 AM
    His hands weren't up. He came at officers. Basically a white Mike Brown. So what if officers didn't need to kill him? They had the opportunity to justify getting live target practice. Good shooting...according to some. Oh an one of the officers has an Asian sounding name. So maybe he was anti-Asian. Triggered by the Wuhan virus. If white people knew cops were killing white kids it would have ended a long time ago. True story. In Nashville the cops used to used tasers and the black community claimed they were being abused but the police chief was all "tasers save lives" and whatnot. Then a country music songwriter's son was tased to death. Tasers were banned that same week. You see it has to be the right white kid for people to give a crap.
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    Yesterday, 01:00 AM
    Based on the standard some here are applying to the Adam Toledo shooting that's "suicide by cop." Kid was out after dark with a gun and fleeing from police. Then he picked up the gun. The second shot was to make sure Officer Safety was truly safe.
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    Yesterday, 12:50 AM
    I am just spitting facts. Of course you were the "on again off again" wall supporter. The wall is bvllshyt and has nothing to do with national security. Ron's plan would have worked. It's the only actual pro liberty plan that deals with immigration.
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    04-18-2021, 08:35 PM
    What? The man can act. Only crappy actors become politicians.
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    04-18-2021, 08:21 PM
    Many, many mythical people. Last time his branding was Jeb! The reaction seemed to be, "J!EB!" As in, "Jesus! Enough Bushes!"
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    04-18-2021, 07:41 PM
    LOL Yeah, 72 hours would drive anyone to desperate measures. Except, apparently, this woman. If there's a logical explanation for mama in this case, this pretty much has to be it:
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    04-18-2021, 07:31 PM
    Okay. ^This. While we never had any guns in the home, our kids, while not perfect, were not even close to being "street." So yeah, if either of them were missing at 13 for 72 hours my ex-wife and I would have totally freaked. Funny story. Not too long after I moved out I stopped by to take them to Dairy Queen. They were so excited they forgot to shut the front door. My phone battery was low and it died. So did theirs. We came back an hour or so later and there were cops in their yard. My ex came up to me all mad and said "We're going to have our first fight ever." (I'm thinking "How can this be our first fight since? After all we're divorced!) But I decided not to give her the fight she thought she was going to get. So I let her rant. She thought the kids had been kidnapped because they weren't at the house, the front door was open and she couldn't raise any of us on our phones. I was like "Okay." Mind you when I was their age my brother and I would occasionally ride our bikes several miles from our home to our aunt's home and not worry about being kidnapped or hit by a vehicle or any of that. As long as we were home by a certain time (not 72 hours of course) everything was okay. Occasionally after that, just to rib my ex, I'd bring that incident up and say "You know that never made sense that you were upset about that" and she'd go off for about 15 seconds. :D We get along much better now. Anyway, while I admire the agorist philosophy, which does not require you to be an anarchist, I'm not the type of person that wouldn't call on government if needed. If my house was on fire I wouldn't call my friends up to bring some buckets. I'd call 911. But that's just me.
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    04-18-2021, 06:37 PM
    The parts that I have in bold are why things like this keep happening. I agree with Brian4Liberty that the two cases are different because the man in the above video hadn't broken any laws. But as Brian also pointed out, the cops in both scenarios were and are likely to get off for the same reasons. And I get it. Who wants to put a cop in prison for a simple mistake? But there has to be something in between zero accountability and prison. That is what Dick Gregory was trying to get at in the video I posted. Here it is again: Forget for a moment that you probably disagree with Dick Gregory about the race angle of the problem and look at his solution to the problem. Give police something valuable for their service. (Free college for their children was his example). License police. Then if they don't perform up to standard they lose their license. Note that he never mentioned prison for police or even civil liability. Granted the ditzy (or homicidal) lady cop who mistook a gun for a taser is an easier case. Clearly she shouldn't be a cop. A case like Adam Toledo or the cop that shot the guy in the door of his apartment should at least count as a strike against someone's record if not a straight out ban. You had the case in Tulia Texas of the dirty cop who went around framing black people for drugs. He had been caught perjuring himself in other jurisdictions. That should have resulted in his losing his license to be a police officer before he had a chance to harm anyone else. And yes, victims of police violence could often mitigate the circumstances. Danke is right that the boy probably shouldn't have turned around (though I might not of thought of that), and Brian is right that he shouldn't have been out at 2:30 am hanging with a gun toting and shooting gang member. On the flip side the guy at his apartment could have had a peephole. Or if he had opened his door just a crack he might have been able to see and identify who was outside without them seeing he had a firearm. From the police side, maybe if the cop in the Toledo case had said "Don't turn around. Put the gun down and put your hands up." the kid might have followed those instructions and still been alive. With the guy at the apartment complex...did they do enough to make their presence known? The man who was shot obviously didn't know they were cops.
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    04-18-2021, 06:36 PM
    Which one? The guy who thinks sitting around with your thumb up your ass when your teen is missing is unfathomable, or the one who thinks siccing the cops on him is unforgivably irresponsible? I don't know if there's a good answer or not. But I don't like either of those answers.
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    04-18-2021, 06:10 PM
    I hope there's nobody adolescent or younger posting here. This place is a madhouse. I would want to steer them clear of Danke. :p. Seriously though, you are 100% right. And that's the scary part. Teens are often at the stage where they need the most guidance but realize this the least. People want to grow up to fast unfortunately. And sometimes the are forced to grow up to fast because of hard times or because their parents just suck.
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    04-18-2021, 06:05 PM
    The evidence points to the 21 y/o having done the shooting and then passing the gun off to the 13 y/o as a patsy. That said, The Young Turks were asinine to attack and doxx people for donating to Rittenhouse. But a lot of people really don't know about the case. Here is a conversation I had in the comments section on YouTube. Other Guy: White people want to and get to police black people. Me: You know that everyone Kyle shot was white right? And the first white person Kyle shot had repeatedly called Kyle the n-word. That in itself is not a reason to shoot someone, but Kyle didn't shoot him until he chased Kyle down and tried to take his gun. Other Guy: Ok, no I did not know that. I withdraw any point regarding race in this case. Actually my mind was on the bird watcher in central park, and I have made an untrue association with race in this case.
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    04-18-2021, 05:58 PM
    To the police? Her underage son was missing. Shouldn't she have been concerned? I would have been...but that's just me I guess.
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    04-18-2021, 05:44 PM
    Cool. Then what? How do you set someone free, then make and enforce a rule that says, you may not give your freedom up? No wonder the "liberal" propaganda machine is promoting (reverse) racism, and disguising white supremacy as the antidote for white supremacy. Paternalism is the product they sell. The only thing that has changed is, corporations are trying to make it look less white, trying to make it look more maternalistic, trying to change the packaging.
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    04-18-2021, 02:03 PM
    Are you surprised? Kamala said before the election the protests would continue.
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    04-18-2021, 01:31 PM
    Of course the circumstances are different, but not in the way that makes the law abiding citizen any safer. Domestic calls are notorious for being dangerous. That's why there was an officer or either side of the door. And someone coming out of a door or around a corner can be an extremely dangerous situation. So, like you said, "the police excuse will be exactly the same." Only when there start being real consequences when the police kill or maim someone who is not actually a threat, rather than just a perceived threat, will there be change. And note that not every case should result in a conviction. Some cases should result in a termination. Records should be kept to see if certain officers have repeated complaints. And officers who actually do a good job should be financially rewarded. Here is the "Dick Gregory" plan for police reform.
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    04-18-2021, 01:05 PM
    Ummm....I care not for the pictures of the media. He is 13 years old. I remember my sons at 13. I've worked with a lot of 13 year olds. Some were troubled teens. Some were gang members. Many were sexually active, smoked weed etc. All were children whether they realized it or not. All could easily be manipulated by adults for good or for bad whether they realized it or not. And yes, the adults in this boy's life sucked ass.
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    04-18-2021, 12:28 PM
    I've watched the split second freeze frame. If you want to see the picture the police are concentrating on for there defense, here it is: That doesn't change my view one iota. I always knew at some point the kid had a gun. It doesn't seem like he shot the gun as some have reported. But he put the gun down and turned around before being shot. And to be fair, I was also bothered by the white man who was shot last year after putting a gun down and raising his hands. Here is the video. That stemmed from a false police report by a neighbor of a domestic dispute when all was going on was the man was playing video games (too loud?) with his girlfriend. I don't know if Anti Federalist has this on his thread on the subject, but he should.
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