• Theocrat's Avatar
    Today, 09:31 AM
    TER, I want to point out an assumption that you've made in your statement above. When you accuse CL of "not addressing this topic as a Christian, but more as an Israelite of the Old Testament," you are assuming that Israelites were not Christians under the Old Covenant. But if that were true, then it would mean that no Israelite was connected to the Messiah by faith (which would include church fathers like Abraham, Moses, and David). In effect, you are creating a false dichotomy between the people of God in the Old Testament and the people of God in the New Testament, even though both groups worship the same triune God. If you want to understand how the laws in the Old Testament apply today, then you have to study them through the eyes of Christ (cf. John 5:45-47), since Christ was the One Who established them with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Old Covenant. Thus, the ethical principle imbibed in laws such as the ones in Deuteronomy still remain true and relevant for all people today (since Christ has all authority in Heaven and on Earth ). Even the apostle Paul compared New Testament Christians to Old Testament Christians in 1 Corinthians 10:1-4, illustrating that God interacts with His people the same way through covenant blessings and curses. So, you have no Biblical basis to make contrasts between Christians in the New Testament and Israelites in the Old Testament, as if God's Law had authority over the latter group but not the former. The laws do apply today, but in the greater revelation from Christ in the New Covenant, it takes greater wisdom to understand how they apply today. Once again, all of the laws in the Old Testament have an ethical implication to them, and ethics are eternal since they reflect the character of the triune God. Thus, CL has every right to discern and develop civil laws from laws in the Old Testament. Otherwise, the alternative is appealing to the relative morality of secular humanism (atheism) to frame civil statutes.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:10 PM
    Why? They already get paid when dumasses get stuck/lost and require rescue...
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:41 PM
    WHAT IS THE ROOT OF YOUR HOSTILITY TOWARD YOURSELF?
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  • GunnyFreedom's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:03 AM
    because how many times you sue the government is more important than actual departures in policy.
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  • GunnyFreedom's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:38 AM
    LMAO what on Earth makes you think she would ever ask you for support?
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:11 AM
    That's a heterodox and un-traditional understanding, but you're free to it. By Apostolic Succession (and/or study with those who have done so plus canonization as a Father). You're right that men don't "establish God". He revealed Himself voluntarily. They established His Church (beginning on the day of Pentecost and continuing on in succession).
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 11:50 PM
    It's a title given to those men who founded and/or nourished the Christian Church (now distinguished by the term "Orthodox" because of all the schisms and heresies and whatnot that have arisen over the years) in the first millennium. https://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_FathersWho are the Fathers? Those fathers who wrote in Latin are generally called the Latin Fathers, and those who wrote in Greek the Greek Fathers. The very earliest Church Fathers, of the first two generations after the Apostles of Christ, are usually called the Apostolic Fathers. Famous Latin Fathers include Tertullian, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Ambrose of Milan, and St. Jerome, the translator of the Vulgate; famous Greek Fathers include St. Irenaeus of Lyons (whose work has survived only in Latin translation), Clement of Alexandria, Origen, St. Athanasius of Alexandria, St. John Chrysostom, and the three Cappadocian Fathers, Ss. Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian, and Gregory of Nyssa. There are many more, however. The Desert Fathers were early monastics living in the Egyptian desert; although they did not write as much, their influence was also great. Among them are Ss. Anthony the Great and Pachomius the Great. A great number of their usually short sayings is collected in the Apophthegmata Patrum. A small number of other Fathers wrote in other languages: Ephrem the Syrian, for example, wrote in Syriac, but his works were widely translated into Latin and Greek. Though the Roman Catholic Church regards the 8th century St. John of Damascus to be the last of the Church Fathers, the Orthodox Church does not consider the age of Church Fathers to be over at all and it includes later influential writers in the term. The Consensus Patrum
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 10:29 PM
    Yeah, my brother Osan does some great work! :)
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 10:24 PM
    Now that you mention it, I reckon you're right! :D :cool: :thumbsup:
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 10:23 PM
    Perhaps interesting, but incorrect. He should read Martyr's dialogue with Trypho (among many other things). You can read many volumes of the Church Fathers here free of charge: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
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  • loveshiscountry's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 10:20 PM
    No doubt the best card they've ever had!
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 10:05 PM
    The principles of liberty and the principles of republicanism are directly at odds. The former presumes the individual to be self-owning. The latter assumes individuals to be property ("citizens" in legalese Newspeak) of the state, which are in turn property of the federal regime. This was well understood by thoughtful men back in the 18th century, hence the very specific language of the BoR and the Anti-Federalist papers.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 09:20 PM
    The OFFICIAL thread, indeed. Pretty sure this is the only one-google fu doesn't turn up another one. I expect Jones to win by knockout. There will be lots of grappling, though. I do wish DC would quit being a douche outside the ring towards JJ. SMH. Probably Hunt FTW in the co-main-just my SWAG. Also, Tate and Aldo FTW.
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  • CaseyJones's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 08:49 PM
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 03:40 PM
    Believes personal lubricant to be a Human Right^^
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  • GunnyFreedom's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 01:00 AM
    Certainly not at those population levels.
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  • GunnyFreedom's Avatar
    06-28-2016, 12:55 AM
    kind of like how people can't look away from a train wreck.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 10:06 PM
    Even if we disregard the CONstitutionalist POV and only accept anarchism(my preference, in all disclosure), there would still exist the concept of private property. Do you think the typical private property owner would be okay with trespassers, foreign or domestic? I highly doubt it, as property owners are normally rationally self-interested and thus do not want trespassers on their property. Even the more "liberal" anarchists accept the importance and legitimacy of property boundaries. (See "Boundaries Of Order" https://mises.org/library/boundaries-order-private-property-social-system by Schaffer and "Privatization Of Roads And Highways" by Block https://mises.org/library/privatization-roads-and-highways)
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 08:36 PM
    I AM STILL WONDERING ABOUT OYARDE TIME, THOUGH. HOW DO I CONVERT MOUNTAIN TIME TO OYARDE TIME?
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 08:35 PM
    THAT'S RIGHT! ONE OF THE COLLEGES I ATTENEDED IS LOCATED ON A RESERVATION. THE INDIAN ART IS VERY NICE. THE HEARD MUSEUM HAS A LOT OF NICE PIECES. :) http://heard.org/
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 08:27 PM
    IS THAT CLOSE TO MOUNTAIN TIME? THERE ARE A LOT OF INDIANS LIVING IN THIS TIME ZONE. NAVAJOS, HOPI, ETC.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 08:06 PM
    THERE IS TRUTH IN THIS. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS COMPARISON IS THAT IN THE HUMID AREAS, THE TEMPERATURE COOL SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LATE AFTERNOON/EVENING. HERE THE HEAT REMAINS IN THE AIR ALL NIGHT-ESPECIALLY IN PAVED AREAS-THESE BECOME "HEAT ISLANDS". :(
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 05:11 PM
    Consider yourself lucky. 94 is late spring weather here. ATM, the daily highs are typically 110-120. :/
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 04:11 PM
    YES. ACTUALLY, DEATH VALLEY USUALLY ISN'T AS HOT AS PHOENIX. THE CLIMATE HERE IS SIMILAR TO THE WAR ZONES IN THE 'STAN, IRAQ, ETC., SO A LOT OF TRAINING OPERATIONS GO ON HERE IN TEH DESERT. THERE'S ALSO SOME GINORMOUS MILITARY BASES LIKE LUKE AIR FORCE BASE.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 03:25 PM
    HOW HOT WAS IT? I NOTICE THAT WHAT MIDWESTERNERS AND EAST COASTERS THINK IS "HOT" IS SPRINGTIME WEATHER TO PHOENIX.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 01:22 PM
    The average conservative "capitalist" feels the same way-hence the popularity of police and laws that allow legalized plunder. :( Successful regime propaganda is successful.
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  • heavenlyboy34's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 12:46 PM
    Orthodoxy dates itself to the day of Pentacost, FWIW. ca. 30-33 Holy Spirit descends on the day of Pentecost. 34 Apostle Peter founds See of Antioch. 35 Name Christian first used in Antioch. The Great Schism and the birthday of the Roman Catholic Church is 1054, which is not controversial, AFAIK. I've seen it in secular textbooks when I took Western music history classes many, many years ago.
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  • GunnyFreedom's Avatar
    06-27-2016, 06:12 AM
    The only place I am "blaming whitey" is in the bowels of your fevered imagination. It's crap like this that convinces me you and your ilk are full of baloney sausage.
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