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Be nice if they mounted an easily accessible shut off switch to at least disconnect the car from the battery, like semis, heavy equipment and boats have.

The lithium in a lithium ion rechargeable battery is not in it's metallic form, and a fire can be fought with water.

Very true. We used to have a Kaiser plant in town which worked with potassium, and it had huge red letter signs all over the outside of the building warning the fire department not to use water. Different sizes, configuration and chemical, and probably different names for the components, but batteries work the way batteries work. There are parts of each cell that do exactly what the old school lead plates do. Breaking these packs down into a bunch of small cells instead of having one huge cell may slow down the disaster when they get damaged, but if they were truly protected from each other with real firewalls the car would be even more grossly overweight than it is. The separate cells certainly don't function like watertight compartments on a ship. And Tesla clearly hasn't thought of making parts of the battery pack easy to jettison, so the damaged and undamaged cells can be separated to minimize the fire. As for putting your lives in the hands of a three cent grain of sand programmed by a techie nerd who very likely can't merge properly himself, well. Hate to speak ill of the dead, but their fate is just what I expected would happen. Human brains are still the most adaptable and discerning computer yet devised, and half of humans can't drive. I know for a fact Google's efforts to devise self-drive AI picked personnel exclusively for their programming skill, and whether they even had driver's licenses or not was not considered relevant. They were housed near public transit they could use to go to work "teaching" inanimate objects to "drive". It isn't just that the technology isn't ready, it's that these corporations have nothing but contempt for the skill they're trying to impart on these machines.

The first commercially viable Lithium ion batteries were introduced by Sony in 1991. I had a half a pallet of the damn things fall off another pallet inside a half size shipping container. They were adopted early by the oilfield industry for remote and emergency backups for all manner of system controls. This was back in 2006 or 2007, I'd have to look at my logs to know for sure, happened right around new year's day...so "give or take" 15 years. One of them fell onto a sharp pipework guard of other piece of cargo, pierced the case and started a thermal runaway fire that was contained ultimately by snagging the container sling and having the crane operator pick it off the deck and submerge it into the ocean until cooled. No, of course not, Tesla...all EVs in fact, have much larger batteries with thousands of cells. Here is a small cross section of a Tesla battery pack.

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Too good a find not to share... https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2021/04/a-letter-from-screwtape-to-the-chairman-of-one-of-the-big-six-football-clubs.html

I'm just going to lie and tell everyone I'm of the vaccinated.

I'd drop the gun. Put my hands out to the side and await further instruction. So we're straight? Ain't about being harsh on moms. It's about putting it solely on her and her community. It's not chicken or egg shit. Eliminate crime in your neighborhood, you don't need cops.

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First Video of NASA’s Ingenuity Mars Helicopter in Flight, Includes Takeoff and Landing (High-Res) In this video captured by NASA’s Perseverance rover, the agency's Ingenuity Mars Helicopter took the first powered, controlled flight on another planet on April 19, 2021. The rover was parked at “Van Zyl Overlook,” about 211 feet (64.3 meters) away in Mars' Jezero Crater and chronicled the flight operations with its cameras. These images from the rover’s Mastcam-Z cameras show the helicopter hovering above the Red Planet's surface. During this first flight, the helicopter climbed to an altitude of 10 feet (3 meters), hovered, and then touched back down on the surface of Mars. Ingenuity is a technology demonstration. The 4-pound (1.8-kilogram) rotorcraft will help determine whether future explorations on Mars could include an aerial perspective.

OK, re-reading, you are asking what I would do, if I went out with my firearm and someone behind me said "Drop the gun?" Is that it? Because, it's simple, I'd drop my gun. Number one: They have the drop on me. Number two: If someone is ordering me to drop my gun they aren't in the execution business.

Ashli Babbitts fire WAS extinguished and I'd like to know the name of the perpetrator as well.

Kid should never had been in kids position. If parents kept track he might not have been out. If parents had driven Latin King fuckers from their neighborhood, he might not have joined. No body taught him. Gunshots and a running rabbit brings wolves. Could have thrown it down at ANY point in the chase. Chose not to until the end when it made all the difference in the world. Could have told his Cabron to go pound sand when he passed the gun off. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, esse fucked up that night. Buenas noches. ETA: I put 0% on the cop. I'd have shot the kid under the same or similar circumstances. Why the fuck is blame going to be laid where it shouldn't be? WHY THE FUCK do parents allow gangs to operate in their neighborhoods? WHY THE FUCK do they allow their kids to join them? This shit went down with neighborhood parent consent. It happened because they allowed it to. This is ALL on the neighborhood. The People. Period.

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You design it, I'll pitch it on Shark Tank.

I'd be looking at a Halon 1211 (yeah yeah yeah I know...or a suitable "green" equivalent) foam system combined with a liquefied refrigerant. Cooling is essential and absolutely key to knocking one of these battery fires down. That's why they keep re-igniting. You think you got it knocked down, overhauled and out, meanwhile the shorted plates are still there, still discharging rapidly and creating fresh heat. Maybe a portable fire tent as well. Cover the vehicle with the tarp or tent, secure it as best as possible and flood the now enclosed space with 1211 Halon foam and liquid R426 or something similar.

You are a great armchair quarterback. Given what I saw n tape I'd have fired. Period.

Move along, nothing to see here, move along ...

Ooospsie?

Well, there is the billion dollar winner, AF and Pete. The fire triangle consist of ignition source, fuel and oxygen. Cut any leg and the stool falls. So, get your two heads together. Come out with a non-combustible foam that will choke out oxygen from a burning battery and I will huck it in late night television

And again you are correct. Been a long time since military fire training and was posting quick. Perhaps Tesla should send a memo to departments. Or we could invent a water, powder, foam spray. We kill the trinity outright instead of breaking just a leg. ETA: After reading AF's post's I've changed my mind. You may well be incorrect on this.

:up: We all owe Glenn Greenwald rep.