SpiritOf1776_J4
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It's difficult to see how the American revolution ever started following such strict construction for sure. Congress has a duty to see that these votes were submitted by the State legislature from electors they choose, and the candidates are valid, and are not a two year old i.e. who is ineligible for office (no, States can't submit anyone they choose, and Congress is responsible for checking that). People are playing with words here, and possibly to deceive - which means it's malicious. No, States don't choose electors, in the constitution, only state legislatures do. These electors objected to were not chosen directly by the legislatures, or by their direction under law (an extension to the constitution that is thought to be valid, but doesn't have to be). While it may be true states are responsible for investigating their fraud, that isn't what is going on. Instead, election officials broke the laws the state legislatures passed, made new ones, bypassed the legislative approval, even preventing them from meeting, and submitted electors on their own accord. Not state legislatures. Congress can't rightfully accept any electors, only electors from the state legislature. Since these are not that, Congress should do the right thing and simply send it back to the state legislatures to get their approval.

"Those who choose to continue to" support his dangerous gambit by "objecting to the results of a legitimate, democratic election" will forever be seen as being complicit in an unprecedented attack against our democracy."" . Seems that those who use free speech to object to an obviously illegitimate election that broke laws and had massive fraud are more important for some to criticize than those who actually riot. No, the people rioting IN A STAGED PHOTO OP are not as important to criticize as those crying election foul. That people are not allowed to even question an election, from the mass censorship, suppression of free speech online, threats by mobs to deplatform, and now this, tells me more than anything else that it is not a legitimate free election. Free elections by definition are talked about, discussed, and criticized by all sides with objections raised if they are at all free. This election has not been allowed to be talked about from day one, and that has never occurred before in America's history. Will they allow people out of lockdown prison if they are good? Politicians are doubling down on stupid when the people are really angry about a lot of things.

Under Supreme court rulings, she isn't actually even a citizen except by immigration law under the US constitution. The Supreme Court did rule once that permanent resident's children might be eligible for 14th protection (I assume under exclusive jurisdiction concept), but Harris parents were also not permanent residents, and likewise children with possible dual parentage can lose their privilege to citizenship if they leave the country. Pay attention, because this isn't academic. This is being done on purpose so enemies of the united states can simply have their children here, raise them over seas, and then install them as the leader here. It is exactly what the laws exist to prevent. Neither parent were citizens Neither were permanent residents Left country, finished being raised in another both students activists, "marixists", and if they were called communists, would violate another law that existed when they got together. **Back to the original topic. It is Congress, before votes are accepted as valid, to determine if the person named is even eligible. That is the duty Massie and many others are shirking, acting like there is no one responsibility and there is no law they all have to follow**

fyi - you can find the principle in the constitution in several place not under the name. The first being the preamble, "to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America", "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, ", etc (there are a few more). No one was a citizen before the country was made - so at the time it was made, and their children". I don't think the framers thought they needed to define it it was so well known what natural means, but the definition I used (with variances in history) is the one used in common law at that time as well. It has always required at least one parent, and many times both, else it is not natural, it is a man made act (law). Harris wasn't a citizen at birth either. The supreme court has only ruled permanent residents should be included for birth requirements. Her parents were also not permanent residents. Nor did she remain in country - what you must do to keep your citizenship when such things arise. Harris does not just not met one requirement, she does not met any of them. She became a citizen when her immigrant family became citizens at best, and because of leaving the country etc, that may not even be true. It wasn't even at birth though, and it certainly wasn't naturally because neither parent were American citizens, it was by intervention of man made law (at best), not naturally, and always changing.

Being a citizen at birth by law isn't naturally born, it's man made, a man made law, by definition. It has nothing to do with "at birth", but if it is natural or man made. That has always been true, and while sometimes there are differences in history if both or one parent needs to be a citizen, or if you have to be born in the country, they all include at least one parent. American families have american children. That is just the way it is natural, no man made law made it.

Kamala Harris isn't eligible to be vice president or president. Neither of her parents were American citizens when she was born, nor permanent residents, they had temporary student visas, nor did remained in the country - Harris's mother after she was divorced left with her daughter to live in Canada, nor would they gotten citizenship without hardship, they were both activists, with her father frequently being cited as a Marxists. Massie is lying or ignorant when he says Congress has no role over the elections. The constitution itself spells out the roll, and does not assume it will in all cases be settled quickly. And this issue, even being eligible, is one that is his job.

Good grief, they cheated at the poll by 2%! :) I've been finding myself adding and multiplying numbers in my head more then usual. Good thing I discovered where my mind was, I was just bemoaning my poetry, writing skills seem to be off, as well as my thinking as groggy the other day. Oddly though, since being tired is usually bad for mental calculations.

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I didn't say they will stop it, I just said they are one of our last hopes of stopping it peacefully, and they better realize that doing the right thing is helping keep the country, not "it's only our business to peacefully count ineligible votes", when it is clear in the constitution that isn't true. I don't necessarily expect them to stop it without the Lord's intervention. I just know what they have a duty to do, and that they should know it will cause a lot of harm to the country if they don't do the right thing here.

Kamalia Harris is uniquely not eligible to be president or vice president under the constitution in ways no one else ever has been, and all tickets with her on it are invalid from the start. I am surprised no one has really been mentioning it, and any Representative ignoring the fraud can not truthfully ignore that, because they are just facts. NEITHER of her parents were American citizens when she was born. Nor were they permanent residents, they were foreign students on temporary visas. Nor did they stay in the country. Kamala's mother, after divorce, moved with her underage daughter to Canada. Nor is it likely they could have passed background checks. They were both activists, and her father has been said to be a Marxist. . I can only assume the riots were partly to keep people from mentioning this, but it has another reason - by ignoring the natural born requirements of the constitution, it opens the door to any communist member of china from running their own children born here as president of the usa under pretense - something a good many of them

Well, I (we) all saw what they did to Ron Paul, and I've been actually aware of this since the 80s around Ron Paul's first run (for another reason). But I've never seen it on this mass scale where they are mass censoring people, lockdowns and shutting down churches, etc. Make no mistake, they will come for your guns and many other things next if our elected representatives do not stop them now - the last peaceful means of stopping this easily. It doesn't matter if we do not join the protests in DC, the coup will be coming to your house anyway if you don't. Perpetual lock downs, hoaxes, propaganda, no accountability for laws for people in government, suppression of free speech, the war has already started on every citizen whether they fight back and defend themselves or not. Those elected representatives are one of the last chances of peacefully averting it. And I'd like to see it peacefully taken care of.

The State laws weren't even followed, or having it on the one day the election is suppose to be held, direct orders by judges to let observers in were ignored, or keeping evidence according to laws, and black boxes were used to count the vote, with the inventor of some, Eric Coomer, being an antifa member who vowed to bring trump down. The history of black box voting used in communist countries for show elections is true, and makes you wonder how many of our politicians were not really elected. Was there really an abnormally quick decadence and change of the people in 30 years? Or has election fraud been bleeding us the whole time and making things appear to be other than they are?

Rand a few weeks ago on twitter was speaking this way "if you don't want election fraud, you have to make sure there are consequences for those who commit it", when HE is the person we elected to make sure HE does something. It was basic torpsey turvey. You the people need to fix what we the government are doing. We aren't responsible. I called him out on it on twitter, and fixed the sentence for him. It was like brainwashing people, and Rand taking no responsibility as a senator for doing what he needs to do.