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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    Today, 05:38 PM
    This is objectively untrue. It contradicts the actual budget Trump proposed. Are you a troll?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 04:46 PM
    The reason I use the word "true" is because we were talking about the government labeling something "property." That is either a true statement, or it is not. But I'm glad that you agree that the law is simply what is legal, not what is true, right, or acceptable.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 04:39 PM
    I don't think it's silly at all, we're really just discussing whether a man-made law means something is actually true. This isn't that difficult. But if you don't want to discuss it then that's totally fine.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 04:32 PM
    This sounds like more divide and conquer crap to me. Phrases like "cultural appropriation" or "cisgender".... Who comes up with these idiotic, divisive phrases? Probably those who want us all to be fighting each other so we take our attention off of the true enemy.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 04:22 PM
    That was what the law said, but my question was, was that really true… apart from the law? I don't believe that you have to be party to something to have a belief one way or the other. Let me try asking this in a different way. If our government decided to round up and enslave all libertarians, and call them "property"....and you happened to be one of the people rounded up and enslaved... Would you agree that you are truly "property" apart from what the law said? In other words, that you were no different than an inanimate object and anything at all could be done to you, and it would be moral and acceptable, simply because they claimed that you are "property"?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 03:22 PM
    Hi! That's not the article I had read before… But he does speak about Romans 13 a lot in several different places. I also saw a video yesterday of a talk he did on that. I could post it here, but it's very long… So instead I'll try to post an article later. I really shouldn't be posting here right now, I've got a ton of things I'm supposed be doing today. :)
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 03:16 PM
    Amen! That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say to him. I like to keep things simple.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Today, 03:14 PM
    You can continue to pretend that an elephant, or a pig or a dog is the same as an inanimate object… but regardless of what the law says, we all know that's not true. The law also said that black slaves were "property." You guys didn't answer this question earlier, so I'll ask again. Were those involuntary slaves truly property, apart from what the law said? IMO this sounds like "might makes right." And I think we all know what happens when humans have that mentality. I don't want to judge or making anyone feel bad, I do feel it's important to ask this question... If we don't want to be treated that way, why do we do the same to those we have power over?
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    Today, 01:14 PM
    This is objectively untrue. It contradicts the actual budget Trump proposed. Are you a troll? "You must spread some reputation around before deducting it from Galileo Galilei again"
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  • wizardwatson's Avatar
    Today, 12:10 PM
    BOLOGNA People want to change the narrative now that Trump is proven a milquetoast bootlicker. The supposed "smart people" (amongst the Trump supporters) supported him because he was an alpha male winner, who wasn't going to take no crap from nobody gosh darn it! His big penis-like hotels and hot wife and say-what-he-wants attitude were outward evidence that he will bring true power back to the White House! Paul was the principled candidate. Now that Trump has been shown a weak person people want to change the narrative that Trump was attractive for his principled stances and statesmanship and he's a victim of the deep state. Cry me an f'in river.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    Today, 09:11 AM
    How have (almost) all of you - pro- and anti-Trump alike - fell for this media narrative that this is an austere budget that slashes spending? Read the damn thing! Guys, this is not a libertarian budget, this is not a conservative budget, this budget increases spending. 2017 budget (in billions): $4,062; 2018 budget (in billions) $4,094 - an INCREASE of 32 billion dollars! But the news media dutifully repeats over and over the imaginary 3.6 trillion in cuts, and if you repeat a thing often and loud enough it becomes truth. This lie has a double effect of giving progressives the spending they want without stopping the riots, and tricking conservatives into thinking Trump is shrinking the government. https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/budget.pdf#page=31 Bonus fact: It plans to increase the debt as well: Debt held by the public (in billions) 2017: $14,824 2018: $15,353 first year increase in debt: 656 billion dollars.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:34 PM
    I think that Romans 13 is misunderstood and misapplied by many. Chuck Baldwin did an article on this. I'll see if I can find it. But I'll probably do this later because I need to start cooking dinner soon.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:24 PM
    Well, I agree with NC, but I don't usually phrase it the way he does… Because as you said, the word "lawful" can easily be misunderstood unless one is specific. I'm going to post a quote by MLK Jr, from his letters from a Birmingham jail. One may well ask, “How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer is found in the fact that there are two types of laws: there are just laws, and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that “An unjust law is no law at all.” Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine when a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law, or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:15 PM
    I agree with you and AF that "might makes right" is happening. But just because something is happening doesn't mean that it is the true way. As NC put it, there's a difference between what is legal and what is lawful.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:11 PM
    An animal is not a car. An animal is not a TV set. An animal is a living being, and the ones we've been talking about have sentience, emotions, and a strong will to live. I want for us to get somewhere here, but it's difficult when you refuse to answer certain questions about your personal view. I hope you don't get mad at me, but I'll try again. Do you personally believe it is immoral to abuse or torture an animal? Yes or no? You're right. But I assumed that everyone here understands there's a difference between what is legal and what is true, or 'lawful' as you put it. :)
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:01 PM
    No, I meant should it, or does it truly… apart from what is currently happening.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:53 PM
    Actually, they do. Maybe not according to man-made laws, but according to natural law, they do. Proving that is another matter, but I think most people intuitively know that animals should not be abused, tortured, or killed for unnecessary reasons.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:23 PM
    If that's the case, then we should throw out all laws on murder, stealing, assault, kidnapping, etc., etc. In fact, if that's the case, might as well throw out all laws, altogether. Because pretty much all laws are based on some sort of "right and wrong." Like I said before, in a world where no true morality exists, it'll ultimately come down to might makes right. Does anyone here truly believe that might makes right?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:14 PM
    I agree with most of what you said here. But, in reply to your second sentence… I wouldn't put it that way. There are many people who are trying to live according to God's law. Of course they often miss the mark, but overall they've surrendered to a higher law that they did not "write," so to speak. But I definitely agree with your last paragraph. This is a messed up world, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, iyam.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:33 PM
    By "truly" I meant objectively/universally. Provable is another matter, imo. Does that make sense?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:26 PM
    True, but I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. My point was that mere disagreement doesn't mean that something is subjective. If no true, objective moral standard exists… yet people want to enforce their own beliefs… can you see how that would lead to a world where "might makes right"? Does anyone here truly believe that might makes right?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:38 PM
    That may be true, but whether or not a subjectivist believes his morality is right, if no objective moral code exists, then he can never be truly right or wrong...regardless of what he believes.
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  • Tywysog Cymru's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:35 PM
    Sure, but Japan did bomb Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the US.
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  • Tywysog Cymru's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:17 PM
    Not that it justifies the bombing, but the Axis clearly was the aggressor.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:37 PM
    There you go again, you're adding to my words. I said that it's possible to be concerned with the rights of animals AND humans. But I never said that I equate animal rights with human rights.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:35 PM
    I never said anything about the war, please don't add to my words in order to shift the topic away from that question. I'm not gonna lie, I am genuinely surprised and saddened by your and Tod's reply to that. But just in case I misunderstood you… I hope you don't mind if I ask you a follow-up question. Apart from the law at that time… Do you believe that those involuntary slaves were genuinely "property"?
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  • wizardwatson's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:18 AM
    I know, those idiots! How could they be fooled!
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  • jkr's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:05 AM
    do they have enough of "our" weapons that we can attack them yet? 'cause we like to wait till thy are nice and ready usually...
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  • jkr's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:01 AM
    DONT TELL THIS CAT!!! he will go indonisia on dat azz
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