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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    Today, 06:40 PM
    I hear y'all, but no reasonable person reading this thread will be swayed by Trolileo Trolilei's claim that 4,094 or 5,708 is smaller 4,062. And you aren't going to change anyone who when being shown Trump's own proposal direct from the White House website several times by several members is simply pretending it isn't so and trying to gaslight people. If you stop giving trolls like them attention they will either move on, or have severely reduced power.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:06 PM
    I understand your position. But when you said this: "But the idea that one should be okay with killing and dressing their food is commonly thrown at carnivores by people who don't or won't processes their own flour or soy-kurd as a way to try and get the carnivore to second guess their dietary habits." ...you seemed to be implying that there was some sort of hypocrisy or inconsistency there. That is what made no sense. When a vegetarian or vegan does not process their flour or soy-curd, it is not for the same reason that they do not want to kill an animal. So to imply that they are being hypocritical is drawing a false comparison. I understand that in your eyes there's no difference between the two, but that wasn't the case in the example we were talking about. But anyway, we don't have to keep arguing about that. As for the evangelical aspect of veganism… I understand how you feel about it. Many meat eaters see it as pushy or rude. But can you understand that from the perspective of a vegan, it's not simply about one's diet? There is a bigger picture. It doesn't affect only them. It affects the animals, it affects the environment (and believe me, I am definitely not an environmentalist or modern day liberal… but facts are facts), it affects society overall, for a number of reasons. That is why many (not all) vegans wish to promote veganism. And I don't believe there is anything wrong with promoting a particular viewpoint, people do that all the time with numerous different things. That said, if they are mean, rude or try to force people, then that's a different story. Take promoting the Gospel, for example. Standing on a street corner yelling at people that they are going to Hell is probably not going to be as effective as treating people with respect and kindness and love. No one is ever swayed by force.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:15 PM
    Amen. Reminds me of the quote, "Animals are my friends, and I don't eat my friends." :)
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:49 PM
    Hi, sorry for the late reply. Well, when I first went plant-based (a little over a year ago) I stopped eating meat and dairy but I still ate a little seafood occasionally. But I kind of knew in the back of my mind that eventually I would stop eating seafood too. So yeah, I did stop eating seafood, for several reasons. I'm not sure if I should go into all that right now… But you kinda gave me an idea. Maybe at some point I'll do a video on this for my Live Mercifully YouTube channel. :) That makes no sense. Are you trying to compare killing an animal to processing flour? False comparison, especially in light of the example that I brought up to you. I specifically said "if someone cannot in good conscience slaughter an animal…" The words "in good conscience" imply that there is a moral conflict there. It has nothing to do with laziness, not wanting to get messy or even being grossed out. I was talking about a situation where someone couldn't kill an animal because they felt guilty or that it would go against their conscience. So to try to compare that to not wanting to prepare their own flour or soy-curd food is apples and oranges... and missing the point. That is because most (not all) vegans see it as an ethical matter. Not just a diet, not just a health thing, but a lifestyle and an ethical position. It's something they do because they believe it is wrong to harm animals and wrong to support something that is bad for the environment, bad for one's health, bad for numerous reasons.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:57 PM
    @nikcers r3volution 3.0 Stop feeding the Trolileo Trolilei. Just set it to ignore and say something interesting and insightful for real members to respond to instead of wasting your time. We gotta take the oxygen out of the dumpster fire that is the RPF troll brigade.
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    Yesterday, 02:28 PM
    #gottreason?
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    Yesterday, 11:59 AM
    long pitchforks...
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  • Tywysog Cymru's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:25 AM
    Yeah, I was expecting Germany to be one of the most supportive.
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  • jkr's Avatar
    05-26-2017, 09:48 PM
    NOW? nah, it is still ok for me...
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 08:23 PM
    No, you're still not getting it. It was just an example of something that is incongruent. It's not about judging anyone, I could've used a completely different example that had nothing to do with food. But if you refuse to even acknowledge that, never mind.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 08:18 PM
    Sigh. You're bringing up all sorts of other things, things are important but this post deserves a reply that would take much more time than I have right now. I really need to eat dinner… I was traveling today (planes trains and automobiles) and all I had was a small snack.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 08:13 PM
    What are you trying to do, stir the pot here? :p Yep, case in point. That's one of the things I was talking about in my previous post. Then again, some people think that she just wants attention and wants to create controversy to get subscribers and become famous.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 07:51 PM
    lol. That is one of the reasons I usually don't call myself a vegan. Even though I don't eat meat and dairy, many vegans hold beliefs I disagree with… beliefs that are unbiblical… For that reason, as well as some other reasons, I usually just say 'plant-based.'
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 07:47 PM
    I think you misunderstood. I wasn't saying that you would have to tell anyone anything. I was saying that if someone could not in good conscience slaughter a pig or cow for food, they are not acting in line with their conscience by eating meat, wouldn't you agree? Well, people have different beliefs, but from a biblical perspective, God did not create us to eat each other. Genesis 1 makes it clear that in the very beginning, God created all living beings, humans and animals, to be vegetarian. We've talked about this before on other threads. Do you honestly believe that a good God would create animals who can suffer and feel pain, who have a strong desire to live and enjoy life.... for the purpose of being caged and tortured and eaten? No, that's not God's original design. At least not according to the Bible, and imo to common sense and intuition.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 07:09 PM
    I've cared for animals all my life. I'm talking about pets, of course, but like I said, I don't think that one has to have experience working on a farm, to legitimately be a voice for the animals. As for what you said… I think that many animal rights activists do have experience with animals because typically they are people who love animals. BTW, there are a number of cattle ranchers who had a change of heart, turned their ranch into animal sanctuaries and went vegan. :) Here are a couple vids...
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  • jkr's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 05:56 PM
    not intentionally with medical use -thanks dea!
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 05:24 PM
    I eat oatmeal almost every morning too. The kind you cook on the stove. Usually with fresh fruit or whatever toppings I have on hand. My breakfast the other day. (before I added almond milk) Yes, Huzzah! :D
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 05:01 PM
    What's the but? Why are you asking, unless you're implying that one needs to work on a farm to have a valid opinion on this matter?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-25-2017, 10:25 AM
    That not what I was said or meant, you seemed to be doubting that Jesus said that, that's what I was asking you about.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-24-2017, 11:29 PM
    I agree. Do you believe animals were created by God?
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-24-2017, 09:05 PM
    How very sad. Are you actually doubting the most important truth, that we should love God and love others? There are some things that we as Christians should know intuitively. We don't have to worry about Bible versions or the bible being changed or agendas of "church leaders" to discern certain basic, obvious truths.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-24-2017, 08:55 PM
    True. I remember hearing similar stuff when I was in college (unfortunately) and that was a long time ago. So it's probably a lot worse now.
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  • lilymc's Avatar
    05-24-2017, 08:51 PM
    Yeah, I know that many believe the cultural Marxist propaganda zealously. That's why it's sad to me… So many are taking the bait.
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  • The Rebel Poet's Avatar
    05-24-2017, 07:49 PM
    I'm only going to say this once, and then I am going to resume ignoring you. CNN headline: "Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts" Actual budget released by Trump: 2018 32 billion dollar increase over 2017 2018 32 billion dollar increase over previous year 2019 278 billion dollar increase over 2017 2019 246 billion dollar increase over previous year 2020 408 billion dollar increase over 2017 2020 130 billion dollar increase over previous year 2021 555 billion dollar increase over 2017 2021 147 billion dollar increase over previous year 2022 770 billion dollar increase over 2017 2022 215 billion dollar increase over previous year 2023 871 billion dollar increase over 2017 2023 101 billion dollar increase over previous year 2024 1011 billion dollar increase over 2017 2024 140 billion dollar increase over previous year 2025 1244 billion dollar increase over 2017 2025 233 billion dollar increase over previous year 2026 1465 billion dollar increase over 2017 2026 221 billion dollar increase over previous year 2027 1646 billion dollar increase over 2017 2027 181 billion dollar increase over previous year YOU are the one repeating the MSM narrative. Stop trolling RPF. And I have a request to make of every reasonable person on the forums. Since @Bryan refuses to take out the trash: stop feeding these trolls. Just set danno et al to ignore and say something interesting and insightful for real members to respond to instead of wasting your time talking to trolls. If we all did this the oxygen would be taken out of the dumpster fire that is the RPF troll brigade.
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