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  • devil21's Avatar
    Today, 08:14 PM
    And that is different than what the Federal Reserve has been doing with the dollar in China in what way? Do remember that you said that the Chinese are abusing us by accepting our dollars in exchange for finished goods exported here. So what you're really saying is that the Chinese are doing exactly what we've been doing for about 50 years. And somehow we're the ones being abused by that. SS logic :rolleyes:
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    Today, 07:59 PM
    Explain it to me. While also bearing in mind that the dollar to yuan conversion rate today is the exact same ratio as it was 11 years ago.
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  • devil21's Avatar
    Today, 07:49 PM
    So your answer is that you want them to adopt socialist ideals since you won't even bother to try to offer an alternative. Especially in the face of all evidence that shows that offering an alternative is the only realistic option. This is the point in a thread when I realize that you really are just a shill for theocratic world government and have no actual desire to address any issues in a realistic way. Just insist on staying on script like a good little foot soldier does.
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    Today, 07:37 PM
    Chinese printing of yuan matters because we import so much yuan into the country?
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    Today, 07:21 PM
    I meant liquidity in the sense of easily receiving cash back out of an exchange/market after selling. Yes, having buyers and sellers is a measure of a liquid market but that assumes the cash is there in the first place to complete the transactions and then cash out. I'm wondering if these exchanges aren't mostly just a way of draining fiat out of the system, since it seems few actually cash back out into fiat.
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    Today, 11:47 AM
    A very wise choice. Doesn't answer my question about cashing out, though.
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    Today, 11:45 AM
    Just like I asked during the last run-up, is anyone trying to cash out at these prices? Never got a single affirmative reply last time. I'm genuinely curious how liquid these exchanges really are...or are you hodling something that has a high dollar value but without the liquidity to actually redeem it?
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  • devil21's Avatar
    Today, 11:38 AM
    Which is why Lincoln and Hamilton are so celebrated today, even gracing the banker's currency (Grant too) and having their own broadway shows, even.
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  • devil21's Avatar
    Today, 11:26 AM
    But they did and created their own government, yes? By doing so, they dissolved the original document that they were a party to and the government that it established. Please point me to any constitutional operation in the wake of the Civil War that rejoined the seceeded states back under the constitution of 1789. I'll wait. (and please don't post the SCOTUS ruling 4 years after the Civil War was over that basically just says "nuh uh, do over.")
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    Today, 11:07 AM
    Only someone without a firm grasp of the situation thinks that printed up digits in a computer sent out in exchange for real, finished goods is a case where the printer is the one being abused. But don't worry SS, the tables will be turned soon enough and when the Foxconn factories open up here, you'll really have good reason to complain of abuse.
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  • devil21's Avatar
    Today, 10:55 AM
    There is no constitution of the republic in effect. That went away a long time ago. You know, like when the original republic/union dissolved over the Civil War. That little happening dissolved the original republic and the constitution of 1789. No one can point to any specific time when the original constitution was later re-ratified by the states to reunite the republic/union. These government lawyers know this. The judges know this. I presume the ACLU/civil rights lawyers also know this.
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    Today, 10:33 AM
    Just fyi but my comment about military thinking was intentional. I don't mean "guns and force". Rather I mean strategic thinking instead of emotional thinking. Encouraging and manipulating emotional thinking is the method the military thinkers use to control the emotional thinkers. If one is serious about preserving libertarian/conservative ideology, then one must counter military thinking with military thinking. The demonization of immigrants is a military divide-and-conquer strategy based on manipulating emotions.
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    Today, 10:11 AM
    There's a large group of people (though yes, very small compared to entire population) that share the same NWO vision and are placed into important positions at the tops of governments, corporations, media, religions, etc. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. I guess you haven't seen it yet. It delves into occult territory, the use of duality arguments (controlled opposition) and the thesis>antithesis>synthesis approach to enact outcomes that were predetermined. The case of Bitcoin is a perfect example of a thesis>antithesis>synthesis topic, actually. Bitcoin (thesis) is introduced to mass media coverage during the run-up (which is now widely known to have been fakery via Tether magic) to make blockchain/crypto a household term, the antithesis is the introduction of the idea of a pure government controlled cryptocurrency, which crypto supporters like you would reject outright, so the synthesis is finally introduced as the "middle ground" in the form of various smaller cryptos like the FB Libra, the coming Amazon coin, and others for your daily use. Companies all headed by that group I mentioned in the first sentence of this post. Voila. Mass adoption of blockchain/crypto, which no one ever heard of until it was injected into the mass consciousness of society, thanks to Bitcoin.
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  • devil21's Avatar
    Today, 09:28 AM
    They still make up a large portion of the involved GOP base, though they are slowly dying off. Involved meaning those that go to committee meetings and conventions, etc. I'm confused. Is that a serious question? In one sentence you talk about Ron's military support then ask what voting results and he didn't get on the ballot? Huh? I'm referring to the 2008 and 2012 primaries, of course. Lots of support but if you look into primary results from military base regions, it didn't translate to votes at the ballot box. Given general voting trends, it showed that Ron won support from younger military who didn't turn out to vote for him. The "old fogeys" did turn out to vote for the establishment candidates, however. You're getting warmer at least. Yes the bankers DO use immigrants to continue to expand government but mainly because they provide new "birth certificate anchor babies" that are securitized into new government debt, which funds the expansion of fed.gov. The rest are side effects and blaming those immigrants, most of whom are actually encouraged to come here via deep state operations, is scapegoating. On a person-to-person basis, the best thing you can do is to reach out to immigrants with a message that resonates with them. I assure you that "free stuff" isn't the message that resonates (or at least resonates any more than any other human responds to "free stuff") with them. A libertarian conservative message does resonate and that is also precisely the reason why libertarians/conservatives are actively being propagandized against them. You know that the TPTB want to end libertarian/conservative ideology completely, right? Finding common ground with immigrants is very, very bad for that goal, hence the constant demonizing by some loud and persistent mouthpieces to prevent that finding of common ground.
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    Yesterday, 10:23 AM
    What he's talking about are the Fox News addicts, the retired people who are so thoroughly brainwashed by the teevee and grew up with the beautiful lie of fighting for "American freedom". People who still think they fought in WW2 and Korea and Vietnam for "freedom". I think it's clear by now that even Dr. Paul knows that those wars, and the recent ones, are NOT for securing freedom for the average American. And just to be clear, Ron did receive a lot of support from the military. However the voting results (if they can be believed at least) in military areas did not bear this out. Younger military have somewhat caught on that something isn't right about all this and Ron was able to tap into that. The old guys that still insist on reliving their military glory days, you know, the 75 year olds that still wear a hat every day of what ship they were on 53 years ago, are the ones PAF is talking about. As I indicated earlier in the thread, nothing will matter until the monetary system changes as it requires continually expanding debt and will, by close association, enable continually expanding government. Voting will not stop that and the bankers, who print up money to fund whatever they want, ensure that. Everything else is intentional scapegoating and distracting away from the real root of the "Big Government" problem, the monetary system. This is why mind-control media spends so much time focusing on who to blame, like immigrants. They don't have to talk about the 800lb gorilla in the room. The monetary system itself. The guy next to you is always the problem, never the bankers, right?
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  • devil21's Avatar
    06-24-2019, 09:57 PM
    Who are these doves he speaks of, exactly? I want names. The "in his cabinet" part is not what he said.
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    06-24-2019, 08:51 PM
    It's called "scapegoating". Look up the origin of that word. Yes, I do not disagree that a mass influx of immigrants can LEAD to voting patterns that support bigger government (especially during economic downturns where a lot of people come on hard times and seek out safety nets, immigrants or not) but I summarily reject your assertion that reaching out to immigrants is a lost cause. It has no basis in reality and the failure to do so only ensures the outcome of what you claim you want to avoid.
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    06-24-2019, 08:39 PM
    Mostly an old wive's tale and not enough to make a difference, compared to the voting habits of Americans. Speaking of media brainwashing. You don't have any interactions with immigrants at all, do you? They are the hardest working people I've ever met and detest handouts! I imagine the only dark skin in Salt Lake City is an elder who stayed out in the sun too long. If you can't see how you, as a claimed liberty supporter and religious person, have much more in common with an immigrant than they have in common with a Democrat then you're blind or just shilling.
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  • devil21's Avatar
    06-24-2019, 07:38 PM
    First, illegals can't vote. If talking about various legally present immigrants, we're back to the circular argument that you and I have undertaken many times already. One party courts their votes. The other party calls them names. Guess who they'll vote for? Maybe trying something different instead of calling them rapists and invaders is a good idea? The libertarian conservative message of individualism and hard work, family values and religious observation is much more in line with an immigrant's mindset than "free stuff" is. Yeah yeah now tell me again about how Reagan's "big tent" outreach to hispanics 35 years ago failed, while also ignoring that the big tent approach actually gave Reagan one of the biggest landslide wins in presidential history.
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    06-24-2019, 07:26 PM
    As opposed to the voting habits of Americans? lol ok
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    06-24-2019, 06:46 PM
    Perhaps Americans are more brainwashed than immigrant counterparts? It seems to me that is the case since Americans spend an inordinate amount of time reading and watching mind-control media outlets compared to others. Immigrants may be more accustomed to more overt police states (or maybe not, it's arguable) but they are not accustomed to the massive mind-control operations that Americans are, and therefore are not in as deep as Americans are either.
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    06-24-2019, 06:37 PM
    No I'm very much correct. Credit cards and apple pay type apps were the first and second step, respectively, to get people used to completely imaginary currency first and then using smart phones for commerce and, later, biometrics. Then the next and final step is blockchain where it is all automatically tracked and without cash alternatives, completely at the whim of whomever controls it. By history I meant the obvious conditioning that equates to the boiling frog allegory. Come on. Seriously? You don't still really believe that nonsense about Satoshi, do you? After the mega pub that Bitcoin suddenly received after a mega run-up that no one can explain and then a year later there's all the big connected players pushing blockchain/crypto solutions? You still don't see how they do this??? smh
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    06-24-2019, 12:04 PM
    It's conditioning for cashless. Bitcoin was the introduction to the masses for the regulated, centralized version you mentioned. You don't counter one imaginary payment system with another imaginary payment system. You counter one imaginary payment system with a non-imaginary payment system. Otherwise, the switch from one cashless system to the other cashless system becomes quite easy. Has history not already shown this to you?
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    06-24-2019, 11:51 AM
    I edited it a bit further for clarity as some important distinctions needed to be made. I'd appreciate if you could edit the final version into the quote.
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  • devil21's Avatar
    06-24-2019, 11:32 AM
    The heads of all of the major corporations (and a lot of minor ones) are working together to implement the Orwellian state. Once you see it, it becomes plainly obvious that it is all coordinated, with the eventual goal being to remove all untracked commerce and implement a blockchain based biometric "payment" system that we can never opt out of. Will resistance stop it? No, there's too many clueless sheep that are happy to trade any remaining shreds of freedom for the illusion of convenience but you can slow the gears down a little by insisting on manned checkout lanes, as one poster did, and complaining that prices aren't being reduced even though we're now doing the labor. They want a slave society where everyone works for free ("paid" in imaginary money that only exists in the mind), does all of the labor to sustain their own lives, owns/possesses absolutely nothing (watch for more and more propaganda about "minimalist living", aimed at urbanites) of value and is granted existence on a literal day-by-day basis by the technology overlords. If someone chooses a similarly minimalist, self-sustaining life in a rural area they will be allowed to continue mostly unharmed. If living in a city, it will be by their rules. Arguably there is a fine line between the minimalist rural life and the minimalist urban life (how different are they really?) but some level of freedom will still exist in the rural example. I'm reminded of TJ's quote about "the inconveniences attending too much liberty to the conveniences of attending too little of it." This is the choice that everyone will have to make.
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  • devil21's Avatar
    06-24-2019, 11:19 AM
    We must fight cashless society by embracing cashless society! Come on, you still buy the load of shit that some rando named Satoshi developed bitcoin? Even when it's plainly visible on the front of the 1988 Economist cover?
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    06-24-2019, 11:12 AM
    I see a bunch of useful idiots. They very quietly stormed Al Aqsa mosque a few weeks ago, also. Very little media coverage of that rather important tidbit. On one hand I'm surprised the CBN would publicize this but on the other hand, if one believes there is a Revelation playbook being followed, eventually Israel must be demonized in the eyes of Christians. The promised return of Jesus requires Israel to be wiped out and that requires even the Zio-Christians to turn against Israel.
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    06-24-2019, 11:00 AM
    All expense paid trip to Israel? I'd go. Just don't try to lock me in a hotel room with a 13 year old girl, ok Mossad? That wasn't on the trip itinerary.
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    06-24-2019, 10:36 AM
    Very true. I flew this past weekend and experienced a new level of fresh TSA hell in the form of some TSA jerk barking orders at everyone, forcing us to walk through security in pairs, shoulder to shoulder, while a dog sniffed our asses. As bad as that was, I noted that the dog handler was wearing no form of ID whatsoever that indicated he was LEO or anything else. All black outfit top to bottom. One positive I took away from it, even though we cooperated at that time, was that the people around me were not happy with what transpired and instead of being silent, random travelers were commenting to each other about how they wondered if they weren't being trained, instead of the dog and how unnecessary this all is. Yes and as I observed, it is getting worse. If we don't try to reach out to those people with a new perspective on what the promised "freedom in America" means then yes, you are correct, that will not help the situation at all.
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    06-24-2019, 10:22 AM
    Actually, it was the bankers that disrupted the use of gold and silver as money by introducing their paper certificates of deposit back in ancient times and urging people to use those as money instead of the metals themselves. Naturally, that quickly was corrupted and governments responded by stepping in to regulate. Now, it's standard procedure for the banking crew to introduce their new method of fleecing the public (blockchain/crypto today) while government is closely in the loop and waiting to make that next fleecing all nice and "legal" for them by fiat declaration.
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