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    Today, 03:30 PM
    Polls with "Registered Voters" vs ones with "Likely Voters" almost always slant Democratic. There are more registered Democrats than Republicans and not all registered voters actually vote. That's usually 3 to 5 points of the gap right there: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voter-polls-will-usually-overrate-democrats/ In general it's still early and most of the conversation is "Trump is awful here's how it can be better" during the Democratic debates. No real airtime from Trump other than Twitter and a few interviews by left-wing media. Love it or hate it the poll results are not very predictive at this point. If anything they indicate re-election versus previous incumbents: Two years in, Trump's re-elect ratings are quite similar to predecessors who won second terms
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    Today, 01:56 PM
    First let me preface this by expressing my genuine belief that I have no antisemitic feelings and disapprove of anyone who does. I think those who oppose interference in our domestic politics due to antisemitism do the movement for non-intervention an objective disservice. Please refrain from any such comments on this thread! I post this because it's important that people realize the method and extent that a lobby -- even a foreign nation -- can involve itself in our politics so that we can learn about the tactics and oppose --or even apply-- them ourselves. The Chinese, Russian, Iranian, Saudi, Arab etc governments do the same thing. As well as unions, corporations, other special interests. Almost every nation's government tries to influence the world's greatest power in ways that are favorable to them. The stakes are higher because of our complex military entanglement in the Middle East for many other reasons that have nothing to do with Israel. It's just that Israel in this latest Iran (whose regime is disgusting it should be noted) crisis is one foreign government (Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Arab countries are others) that has a large interest in our active forceful opposition to Iranian influence. I personally think the military industrial complex lobby uses Israel, Ukraine, Korea, other hotspots, etc more than the other way around.
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    Today, 01:08 PM
    Ever since news came out that Rand Paul and Trump were working together to negotiate a deal for a non nuclear Iran. Levin has been on the attack. Not sure this is the most effective approach but a least it's one. Might be fun if it boosts visibility on Mark Levin's own twitter lol. Please like if you are so inclined. That said if you use your real name there is evidence (See video in tweet) that the Israeli government and/or its supporters will target your private life to stifle dissent. Proceed with caution: 1152649816855498754
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    Today, 12:58 PM
    Please consider liking my response tweet to Levin if you agree. Might be fun if it boosts visibility on Levin's own twitter lol. UPDATE:That said if you use your real name there is evidence (see video below) that the Israeli government and/or it's supporters will target your private life to stifle dissent. Proceed with caution: 1152649816855498754
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    Today, 12:11 PM
    Such BS. First statement should have been in big capital letters "RAND PAUL WANTS A VOTE ON LEGISLATION" and that he absolutely was not "blocking" the bill. You know being a -- gasp-- Senator that votes on legislation. Not even a single person from Rand's side on the panel. Cavuto tried but he was stuck being moderator with no counterpoint. Also one -Rubin-- is a progressive activist. The other two while nominally Republican are a local politician the other attached to the Trump political campaign. In other words political hacks. Both of which have obvious incentives to not say or do anything unpopular.
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    Today, 11:46 AM
    I mean it's great that we're hearing about this but I'm guessing this was leaked by our political opponents. I think if it were Rand's choice he would have preferred to get some traction before any announcement. Same with Trump which is probably why he's flip flopping: It wasn't supposed to be leaked and was an exploratory effort and maybe he didn't want anything official just yet. The only people there where Rand Paul made the offer to act as a go-between with Iran were: Rand, Trump, Lindsey Graham, and David Perdue. Any guess who'd have the most motivation to leak this? Whose allies in the media left and right would be the first to discredit the effort? Take a guess! 1151535916412014593 My theory: Graham leaked it so his allies (Levin, etc) could savage Rand and Trump for it and the visibility would get Rand and/or Trump to back out because they would "seem weak" if they negotiated.
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    Yesterday, 04:35 PM
    Nice article: https://spectator.us/mark-levin-war-first-rand-paul/ Like this quote that Levin said about Trump: "Paul’s ‘not dovish, he’s a Code Pink ideologue,’ Levin derisively claimed. In 2016, Levin said after a Republican primary debate in which the poll-leading candidate at the time blasted the Iraq War, ‘To have the leading Republican nominee for president of the United States to make these statements, and he’s been praised by Code Pink. He should be praised by Code Pink and every kook organization out there and every left-wing kook organization that hates America.’ Levin was talking about Donald Trump."
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    Yesterday, 04:30 PM
    Nice article: https://spectator.us/mark-levin-war-first-rand-paul/ Like this quote that Levin said about Trump: "Paul’s ‘not dovish, he’s a Code Pink ideologue,’ Levin derisively claimed. In 2016, Levin said after a Republican primary debate in which the poll-leading candidate at the time blasted the Iraq War, ‘To have the leading Republican nominee for president of the United States to make these statements, and he’s been praised by Code Pink. He should be praised by Code Pink and every kook organization out there and every left-wing kook organization that hates America.’ Levin was talking about Donald Trump."
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    Yesterday, 04:22 PM
    Videos up: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTFA0FGIf6R1f_inJm9NJhA/videos Only watched the first 4 that were uploaded so far (Thiel/Carlson/Bolton/Hawley). Some some straw-men were set up but only mildly objectionable -- so far-- and no concrete policy suggestions I can see. Thiel got a pretty good round of applause that was organic (unlike Bolton) when he briefly touched on foreign policy.
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    Yesterday, 01:58 PM
    Plus he's Pompeo's college buddy: "Esper and Pompeo, both former Army officers, went through the U.S. Military Academy at West Point together, class of 1986." Must be nice to have your old college pal pull some strings
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    07-18-2019, 05:02 PM
    He has problems with people who don't tow the line. I wonder how many people that heard this realize that he'd have rather seen Hilary Clinton win than give Donald Trump his vote: Mark Levin: I won't back Trump in the general
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    07-18-2019, 04:43 PM
    Wow, he called out Jon Stewart on his BS. Would be surprised if he didn't respond.
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    07-18-2019, 07:56 AM
    Discussion from other thread... probably could have been put in General Politics but not sure how strict the mods are... this is pretty big news imo: enhanced_deficit Keeping in view the golden 'follow the money' rule, be careful what you wish for ; if this materializes, he could end up being emissary of notorious Iran war championing neocon Adelson who is top donor of GOP-MAGA/Neocon-Lite wing. MAGA is supposed to be more gutsy than Rand and even he escalated purposeless and wasteful war in Afghanistan, recently bombed Syria ( reportedly on Ivanka's advice) and has currently put up harsh sanctions and military buildup around Iran that carries risk of accidental war spark even if neocons still feel being deterred by America's wars fatigue. Does Rand have what it takes to to stand up to billionaire Adelson or even Ivanka? Assuming ,ofcourse , that above report is non-fakenews.
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    07-18-2019, 06:52 AM
    The kingdom deserved candidate Trump’s scorn. It is a corrupt totalitarian state, long tied financially to terrorists, yet it treats U.S. soldiers as the personal bodyguards of the royals. Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates recalled meeting King Abdullah, “He wanted a full-scale attack on Iranian military targets, not just the nuclear sites.” This supposed friend of America “was asking the United States to send its sons and daughters into a war with Iran in order to protect the Saudi position in the Gulf and the region, as if we were mercenaries.” From Riyadh’s viewpoint, of course, that is precisely what Americans are. https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trump-administration-should-balance-iran-saudi-arabia
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    07-17-2019, 08:13 PM
    If something happens I hope Rand will have enough ability when he's 100 to get the message out "Your Social Security is slashed by because politicians decided to prioritize junk like this for decades: " The federal government wasted Americans’ tax dollars as it… Bought an elementary school gym scoreboard at a 491% markup (BIA) ..... $13,000  Sent international students to college for free (State) ............................... $15,825,000 
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    07-17-2019, 07:54 PM
    #3 on Twitter... was #2: Sigh. It's such an uphill battle. If there is a financial crisis where we actually might have issues paying for the basics or a destabilized society no one will give a crap because it will seem like it came out of nowhere and the ones that voted for it long gone. People like Rand look cruel but what happens when people are thrown out on the street in addition to not compensating 9/11 victims because politicians wanted to borrow for bull$hit like this: Update: Snipped image not showing up for some reason. Here the link.
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    07-17-2019, 07:32 PM
    I think we have a convergence of liberal interests and neoconservative ones on this. This might just be the beginning of a longer campaign. I am worried the Dems will try to return the favor of what Trump pulled with AOC + 3 and try to make Rand the face of the GOP which liberals will love and the neocons will get their friends in the right wing media to help. Hopefully this is just an isolated incident for now.
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    07-17-2019, 11:15 AM
    In my opinion it was a mix of egoism (Only he makes the best deals) and pleasing his main contributors. I think Trump wants to cut a deal and market it as his accomplishment like he does with... everything. And the neocons took advantage of that weakness. Only his deals are "The Best of the Best"
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    07-17-2019, 11:02 AM
    One take is that this was leaked to discredit the whole initiative. This is politically courageous of Rand Paul. I don't see much upside for him in doing this from a selfish political perspective. A true statesman-like gesture. The neocons will smear him mercilessly in primaries. 1151535916412014593
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    07-17-2019, 08:28 AM
    Possibly... indeed that could have been why they were clapping. Or it could be that they were finally allowed to leave the room. Talk about detention camps lol: 1151153486358335490
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    07-17-2019, 08:05 AM
    Despite my hopes otherwise... but called it. Below is the perspective from one of the most prolific anti-interventionist writers that attended. Such a sham and disappointment. We need to figure out a way to combat this insidious tactic: Nationalism, Not Neoconservatism by Jim Antle "But a nontrivial number of speakers who were on the schedule purely for their foreign policy expertise would have been comfortable during the administration of George W. Bush, who was no nationalist conservative. Bolton, who at one point stressed the common ground between President Trump and John McCain, illustrated how to package the old foreign policy to appeal to those interested in a new conservatism. ... It’s important because while Bush and McCain always grounded their foreign policy in morality and universalism, the “blood and soil” appeals they both disdained (although American nationalism has always been more complicated than lineage, ethnicity or geography) were crucial to their wars of choice achieving popular support. Neoconservatism shorn of nationalism can easily be marginalized, as it largely was during the 2016 Republican presidential primaries.
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    07-16-2019, 10:41 PM
    Even the clapping was stilted. One person did it...then a pause... and others joined in probably just to be courteous
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    07-16-2019, 10:11 PM
    The Iranian regime would be so stupid if they didn't make a deal. He's the least interventionist Republican President to win office in recent memory. If the Democrats win the presidency they will probably keep whatever deal Trump makes. If Trump wins again he'll say he tried and failed and the sanctions will stay and we (and other countries) will have naval ships and aircraft "enforcing" sanctions in the Persian Gulf and a "misunderstanding" will occur that will escalate out of control into a total war. Which is exactly what Bolton & Co are counting on.
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    07-16-2019, 10:01 PM
    Sigh At least one non-interventionist, Cassandra Fairbanks, was there. The clapping was only half the room it seems in the video. Still disappointing: 1151331780810727431
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    07-15-2019, 08:06 AM
    By drawing attention to it (and adding a poll) I was hoping that we'd at least be aware of the efforts so we can be active/fight it if it makes sense to do so. Also bunch of articles came out yesterday and the following tweet seems to suggest that some -- Thiel in this case -- are promoting a restrained Foreign policy to the crowd. Thiel seems to be carrying Trumps water a little too much generally but it's a positive sign that the argument so far is "why Trump is less interventionist and that's good" and not "why Trump isn't doing more": 1150563324003831808 We can check out "National Conservatism" search on Twitter and there are political outlets like The Hill etc. sharing info from the conference so we can see what's going on to a degree.
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    07-14-2019, 11:27 PM
    That's a fair point. There's even some arguments that he's an "isolationist" because he doesn't respect international institutions. I guess we technically could/should use the term "hawk" or maybe "interventionist". Here is Bolton even denying specifically being a neocon. Maybe I just don't buy or value the distinction as much as others. Also he just might be a slippery fellow and be avoiding the bad neocon branding to purposely muddy the waters to further his agenda. We're counting on these guys to present themselves accurately and that's a mistake imo. In his case he's explicitly made the case for "deception" in national security affairs. In fact neocons explicitly promote the "noble lie" in much the same manner To your example about Iraq here he is saying in May 2015 that we didn't stay long enough: "I still think the decision to overthrow Saddam was correct. I think decisions made after that decision were wrong, although I think the worst decision made after that was the 2011 decision to withdraw U.S. and coalition forces," Bolton said. "The people who say, oh things would have been much better if you didn't overthrow Saddam miss the point that today's Middle East does not flow totally and unchangeably from the decision to overthrow Saddam alone." This seems quite different from the 2007 quote "the only mistake that the United States did with regard to Iraq was to not leave earlier after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and tell the Iraqis "Here's a copy of the Federalist Papers. Good luck" referenced.
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    07-14-2019, 07:05 PM
    Good point about potentially funding our opponents. The "Edmund Burke Foundation" has zero documentation that I can see. Only this first conference list of speakers gives us any clue. If I'm right about the orientation of the speakers it's not a good sign. Just really resent the fact that that people like Bolton and May get to present their approach as the only appropriate policy regardless of their different audiences. "Nationalist Conservatives" while being "Friends of Free Iran" when it means supporting another countries regime change risking American soldiers lives. The true "Nationalist" or Patriotic policy would be the following set forth by POTUS # 1. It's so relevant it's hard to believe that we'd deviate and call any other policy America First: In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim. So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.
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    07-14-2019, 05:36 PM
    Is there an objection to referring to any of the speakers on the foreign policy panel above as neocons?
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    07-14-2019, 03:09 PM
    There's some buzz around this event. I might have issues with the "National Conservatism" approach but I didn't think foreign policy would be one of the bigger ones. This looks like neocons co-opting the Trump/Buchanan line on foreign policy issues. Despite Tucker's and Thiel's presence it has the feel of a MEK or CUFI get together for the foreign policy discussions. This will make it a hat trick for John Bolton and Cliff May (MEK, CUFI, National Conservatism). I could be wrong but from a quick search most of the foreign policy panelists (highlighted below) are AEI/Hudson/Manhattan Institute drones. There are some solid names associated with The American Conservative (Daniel McCarthy, Scott McConnell, etc) but they are pigeon holed and sequestered into the non-foreign policy sessions. Looks like just an extension of the neo-con strategy of co-opting and agitating domestic groups to support their insane foreign policy. Instead of Christian evangelists and Iranian exiles it's Trump/Buchanan "nationalist" types. I hope Tucker, McCarthy, etc get the chance to rebut their propaganda or better yet their audience is non-existent simply due to lack of interest. Pretty annoying since this really looks like something Pat Buchanan would put together and the neocons purposely stacked (it seems) it with his lifelong ideological opponents with not even a Buchanan/Trump/Paul perspective on the foreign policy panel. Shameless co-opting as described by none other than Conference guest and TAC founding Editor Scott McConnell himself. Sigh :rolleyes:
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