Seraphim
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Lol, ya, even though he was trying to be as un-biased as possible, and came off as very reasonable compared to most of his associates, there was still a lot missing from that whole exchange.

You should apply some of his logic to the Israel/Palestine conflict.

If you think being pro-Palestine for 8 or 9 years, then changing your mind and being pro-Israel for the next 8-9 years is "bi-polar", you've obviously never had a girlfriend who is bi-polar. You keep harping on this whole thing about Israel "planning" Oct. 7. What did they do? They let down their guard, didn't defend the border? Isn't that what your side wants? Don't you want them to take down the wall and open up the borders? Isn't that the whole point? What am I missing?

Well if you or your kids are going to take sociology, hope that you get this guy. Is it 30 unarmed black people killed by police each year or is it 8?

No, he definitely admits to some during the main show. You seem to forget I used to be pro-Palestine, I remember posting that map with their territory shrinking and shrinking over the years. I used to go to pro-Palestine protests. I would have agreed with your analogy about the US getting occupied. Then I found out it was all bullshit, Palestine sucks, they want to kill all the Jews and take back "their land" which is also mostly bullshit.

Why yes, yes it would. Completely different scenario. Unfortunately cannot link to the after show, it's behind a paywall..

21:54 of the video in the OP.. you could literally say the same thing about Palestinians in Gaza, toward Israel.. Also there is a ton of debunked propaganda from the other side, propaganda is part of war. Both sides are at war. That is what war looks like. Nobody has given me a good reason to support the Palestinian side in that war.. and I used to support the Palestinian side, I've even been to anti-Israel pro-Palestine protests back in the day. Then I learned about the real history of modern day Israel. I agree we shouldn't be funding either side, but I'm not going to root for the destruction of Israel by terrorists.

Blumenthal was on a 2 hour Timcast IRL episode months ago, saw it, along with the 1 hour member's only aftershow. He admitted to many of the Hamas attrocities I speak of, like when Israel would go to bomb a building in Gaza with military equipment, they would flair the building and announce the bombing on loudspeakers so civilians could get out and Hamas would stand outside armed and trap the civilians in the building so they could use the innocent deaths as propaganda to get more funding from Iran. We know they take the fresh water pipes that were built for them, dig them up, put the fertilizer given to them to grow crops to make rockets to fire at Israel. Then complain they don't have food and water.. I take some of the Oct 7 claims with a grain of salt, what we do know about what they did is enough for me. Shooting up a hippie music festival, taking all the hostages.. I've been to those festivals, like, the exact same kind with the same psytrance music, same "community", I've almost certainly seen some of the DJs that were there at the festival live..

How many did he say?

Ya I think it may have been a goose. Looks a little small to be a goat. Could be a dog or cat, but not sure they would do that out in the open.. never know.

How many? And yes I'm aware of the evidence you presented.. I'm not convinced it was LIHOP, but I do agree there is circumstantial evidence. I've heard claims from your side that there were hundreds of casualties as a result of IDF actions, but there was only evidence of one or two, which were reported by Israel media. I still think my analogy is fitting, in fact it swerves in your favor, because as far as I can tell, the only reason the security system went down was a power outage. But in the case of LIHOP, the analogy is the literal definition. You're now trying to push it further into a MIHOP where Israel significantly increased increased the amount of deaths, while simultaneously significantly reducing the number of hostages. Do you realize there are still US hostages in Gaza?? It's been over a year. Do you understand what happens if they don't deploy the Hannibal option? Don't they have to assume every vehicle they want to bomb is carrying a hostage? If they raid some guys with guns in a building with a hostage, does that mean they go in and start shooting rather than get a bullhorn out and start negotiating? This is war, they need to kill the terrorists and get on to the next group of terrorists so they can save lives.

Oct 7 was also a Holiday, which could explain the lack of defenses. I don't know for certain to what extent any of that is true, whether they LIHOP, but I certainly am not denying the possibility. The question is, if you found out some criminal was planning a home invasion and you turned off your home security system and waited by the door with a shot gun and shot them when they entered your house, is that a false flag? Could you be charged with a crime? Is that a moral action? I don't think 9/11 was planned by Bin Laden, I think there was a lot of planning and pre-knowledge beforehand from intel agencies. I don't think the 9/11 hijackers flew the planes into the buildings, I think they were flown into buildings. I don't think the buildings came down on their own, I think there were pre-planted explosives. Now THAT'S a false flag. Letting down your guard and letting the enemy come in on their own accord and slaughtering hippies at a music festival and children and people in those villages, that's not exactly a false flag. You could call it a LIHOP, though. Is that a moral action? Do they want to keep living in terror forever, with rockets constantly flying over their cities? Or did they want to make it stop and this was how they chose to do it?

You debate like one of my crazy leftist friends with TDS sometimes.

You think google maps faked 360 degree street photos to get maga supporters to believe a video of a Haitian guy butchering an animal in an apartment complex is in fact in Springfield? Are you ok?

Looks legit (drop the yellow guy into street view if it isn't) https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9658649,-83.7986538,3a,60y,17.24h,79.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8-AGO3IoW48cAuur_iHqVQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D10.667574306337727%26panoid%3D8-AGO3IoW48cAuur_iHqVQ%26yaw%3D17.24168209313998!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

That's clearly a chicken.

Pretty bad.

This is one of the most easy and logical issues you can explain to people using basic economics. The crazy thing is you can explain the whole thing, you can give an example of a store owner selling overpriced water bottles before a storm and how one person could come in and buy it all out for $50, or you can overcharge 10x and each person comes in buying only what they need, more people end up with the goods they need before the storm, saving lives. You can explain how overpricing helps bring in more goods after the storm by encouraging entrepreneurs to risk their safety to bring in goods to a dangerous area with looters and dangerous, damaged roads, etc, saving even more lives. Most people still won't change their mind, they think the value of things is just whatever the price tag at their local store says and anybody who charges more is just being greedy.. those are usually leftists tho. That said.. I saw some of these posts on X, and 95% of the comments beneath were MAGA supporters saying price gouging during a weather emergency is a good thing..

Oh ya, that's right, they were created to fight the PLO, then it backfired. Sorta like the Mujaheddin.

Weren't they created to fight Hezbollah? Sounds like it backfired.

You don't think the invasion was justified?

I was never for the US war in Iraq.. Lol, that's one building, in all of Tel Aviv, and it is an administrative building..

Man, what a bunch of whiners. The Israel derangement syndrome in this thread is off the charts. Lebanon was launching missiles into Israel, then Israel 'invades' Lebanon and everybody here is just going to pretend like it was completely unprovoked? I mean, c'mon.. Oh they blew up a Mosque.. Well here's the problem. Muslims have blurred the lines between military bases and civilian structures and Mosques.. when was the last time you saw a military base that was also a Synagogue? Or a civilian apartment building in Israel? You people are so easily manipulated..

You sound like you’re arguing against US intervention in Iraq after 9/11… it’s not that simple. Unlike the US, Israel actually has missiles flying into their country on a semi-regular basis. What is simple is asking ChatGPT why they did it and what they targeted. Before you respond with "Ahh hah!! It says "PRE-EMPTIVE"!!" Again, not that simple.. it's not like it's pre-emptive, like they've never shot missiles at them before. More like a guy punches you, and then you punch him as he is winding up for his second punch.

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Certainly we should not have troops in Syria or be bombing Syria.. but they are their neighbors. I don't give a flying fuck anymore if Israel bombs their neighbors who are attacking them. They are at war.

I didn't say all Muslims, certainly not all Iranian Muslims, but it seems to be a majority of those in Gaza and a decent amount of the more extreme believers in other places.

Certainly not the people living in Israel.. I also think Mossad was involved in 9/11. But so was the CIA.. and Saudi Intelligence.. maybe even MI6, who knows. Again, that's not the people living in Israel, the Jews, the Christians, the US or even Saudi Arabia or the UK.

Or he just supports Israel.