• Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Today, 03:16 PM
    To be clear I'm not defending Phelps, but what capital crime has he committed according to Biblical law? To be clear, I am not familiar with the details of his teaching, I know he's a baptist (which is an error but I don't think would qualify as a capital crime), a Hyper-Calvinist (ditto) and extremely abrasive in how he conducts himself (ditto.) Servetus was teaching a different (non-trinitarian) God which certainly warrants "roasting" (I prefer stoning or firing squad ;) ) according to Deut 13, but I am not sure what capital crime you see Phelps as being guilty of (not disagreeing necessarily, and I do NOT defend Phelps.)
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    Today, 03:14 PM
    I have never heard of it.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:28 PM
    Sounds like a good excuse for some Kool & the Gang ... (not that any excuse is needed ...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:24 PM
    Or you could look at it as not being an "either-or" dilemma. Both spending and taxes should be reduced. I'm categorical about tax hikes. It's just wrong to take other peoples' stuff. It's more wrong to take more of their stuff. (And it's being "the end of the world" or not hasn't got anything to do with it.)
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    Yesterday, 09:23 PM
    Further to which, reductio ad absurdum may be applied here ... The argument as given implies not only that such tax reductions should be opposed, but also that tax increases of the same kind should not be opposed. Consider a proposed tax increase of either "general" or "targeted" variety. Suppose the increase passes and is enacted. At this point, there is no functional difference whatsoever between opposition to the increase and any subsequent support for a decrease of the same variety and of equal magnitude. Thus, if support for the decrease is not to be approved by "free market people," then neither was opposition to the increase - and for exactly the same reasons.
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    Yesterday, 08:17 PM
    The author of "End the Fed" certainly cannot be accused of being unaware of the government's ability to fund itself by way of the printing press. Ron Paul has elsewhere repeatedly and explicitly identified three basic ways government funds itself: (1) through "direct" taxation (in various forms) (2) through "indirect" taxation (such as the so-called "inflation tax" inherent in fiat monetary inflation - i.e., the "printing press" option) (3) through borrowing and debt issuance (which must ultimately be paid for via (1) or (2)) In his commentary in the video under consideration, he is concerned solely with (1), as that is the only of the three options which is relevant to the Carrier "tax break" issue. And none of this accounts for his numerous assertions elsewhere of the importance of real and significant spending cuts as a critical element in any effort to shrink the size of government ...
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:45 PM
    I cannot tell a lie - Douglas Adams plagiarized that phrase from me ... :toady:
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    Yesterday, 06:39 PM
    :eek: Maybe Aldrin and Kerry aren't Aldrin and Kerry anymore ...
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:13 PM
    Regardless of how much business you do with whom, you have the "right" not to have your money involuntarily taken from you in the first place - and it having been taken, you have the "right" to get all of it back (not merely "some" of it). Whether you will actually be able to do so is another matter (and there is not anything wrong with lobbying in such an effort - any more than there is anything wrong with lobbying on behalf of the right to keep and bear arms, for example). When something is returned to them that rightfully belonged to them in the first place, they are not being "rewarded." Also, getting "fat government contracts" (on the one hand) and getting "tax breaks" (on the other hand) are two different things. The first can be considered a form of subsidy (depending on how "fat" the contracts in question are). The second cannot.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:20 PM
    Muh federal standards.
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    Yesterday, 04:33 PM
    Ron's exact words at that timestamp (emphasis added): "My policy over the years has always been to support anything that looks like a tax abatement or a tax credit even though I didn't like the condition where you're giving it to one not the other ..." I don't like the condition where you're giving it to one but not the other, either. But it's better than the case where you're not giving it to anyone at all. It is always better, ceteris paribus, when less of peoples' stuff is being expropriated. It is always worse, ceteris paribus, when more of peoples' stuff is being expropriated. One cannot achieve "fairness" in any meaningful sense by refusing to steal less of particular peoples' stuff so that people will be robbed more "equally" in general - "fairness" got chucked right out the window the moment any of their stuff was expropriated in the first place. Subsidies are another matter altogether (and I mean REAL subsidies, NOT tax credits/breaks/rebates/abatements/etc.). If Carrier or its parent company is receiving any actual subsidies that were involuntarily mulcted from others, then I will happily criticize them for it. But that is a separate issue. And for the record, I could not care less about this having been promulgated by Trump - or about what Trump's motivations are (Carrier is in no way accountable for Trump's motivations, whatever they might be). I'd be of exactly the same opinion if this occurred under the auspices of Obama, or Bush the Second, or Clinton, or Bush the First, or etc. Nor do I give a fetid dingo's kidney for what this might mean (one way or the other) in regard to "jobs" or whatnot.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:38 AM
    Apparently, you also agree more with Sarah Palin than you do with Ron Paul. Furthermore, Palin simply reiterates the "subsidies" canard. Stealing less of what already rightfully belongs to others is NOT a "subsidy" ...
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:52 AM
    We aren't forced against our will. I agree with that. The problem is you believe people are actually able to choose God of their own volition. But we won't. The only person who we could maybe say had a totally free choice (though even still, God put the tree there intending but not causing the Fall for his own good purpose) is Adam. That would even be speculative but you could maybe make that Biblical argument. Everyone else is born in slavery to sin. The Bible says we were dead in our tresspasses. God has to remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh so that you will believe. So you're right that its not "forced" but its not free will either.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:42 AM
    :confused: You need to learn to express your thoughts intelligibly. As stated, this sentence makes no sense. Where, for example, is "Ron Pauls video that is for this type of government?" (After going to the trouble of trying to parse out what you might possibly have meant by this strangely worded clause, I can only assume that you actually meant to say something like "Has anyone who is for this type of government watched Ron Paul's video ..." rather than "Anyone watch Ron Pauls video that is for this type of government ...") Is this supposed to be some kind of threat? My neg-rep hammer is a lot bigger than yours ...
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:53 AM
    In that case, Missourians are the ones being "subsidized," which is "unfair" to Floridians, and exactly the same "logic" applies. Arguing for the "fairest" way of robbing people (so that "winners and losers" are not "picked," for example) makes my head hurt ...
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:41 AM
    The bold is what I'd dispute. Arminians teach pervenient grace, that God gives everyone enough grace to believe and then its in "their court" so to speak. Calvinists believe that God chose before the foundation of the world who would be saved and who wouldn't. That choice is manifested through belief but its not actually man's choice (in the ultimate sense) to believe. As Romans 9 explains very well.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:17 AM
    Calvinists agree with that passage. The question is, what is the origin of belief?
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:16 AM
    I don't think its controversy for controversy sake. The dispute is at a minimum very important, and potentially has salvific implications given that denial of Calvinism can (though does not always) lead to self-trust for salvation. Plus the Bible is clear that seekers don't exist, so why you'd worry about "looking bad in front of them" I don't know :/
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:44 AM
    Actually Sola is correct, at least doctrinally speaking. I'd suggest taking the tone a bit less personally (whatever you may think of it) and seriously consider the very important doctrinal point being made.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 06:51 PM
    One Tax Code to rule them all, One Tax Code to find them, One Tax Code to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of D.C. where the shadows lie. Missourians have to pay state income taxes. Floridians do not have to pay state income taxes. This is grossly unjust!
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    12-02-2016, 06:18 PM
    He said "a silver .10 dime" - not merely any coin (or combination of coins) having "10 cents" of "face value." The current* melt value for US silver dimes is $1.21. The current* price for a gallon of gas (national average) is $2.16. So two US silver dimes are currently worth more than a gallon of gas. * current = as of 2016-12-02
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 05:34 PM
    And that is exactly what the US & Israel hardliners want. A moderate Iran is much less likely to provide US & Israel hardliners with the kind of excuses they need to attack Iran and install a puppet regime, ŗ la the Shah ... This question answers itself.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 05:08 PM
    False dichotomy is falsely dichotomous. (Some people have the gall to walk and chew gum at the same time, too ... :rolleyes:)
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 03:08 AM
    I am not able to vote in the poll, as there is no swordfish option ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlVNW-s7bvM
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 02:26 AM
    You should be embarassed to say such a silly and pointless thing. Obviously, you just don't understand 9D chess ... ;)
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 08:37 PM
    I agree. Trump trolling the media and protestors like this is indeed hilarious. In fact, it's almost as hilarious as when Trump trolls his own supporters and they fall for it, too ... ("Because you'd be in jail" ... BWA-HA-HA-HAAA!! ... "Drain the swamp" .... OOH-HE-HE-HEE!! ... etc., etc.)
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 05:53 PM
    Fixed it for you.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-01-2016, 05:30 PM
    Well, it has been successful - smashingly so. Successful for Stalin, that is - and for Mao and Kim and Castro and many others. (Successful for the tens of millions who starve, though? Not so much ...)
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