Regarding the whole "only the radical libertarians" will enter the gate, a similar thing was brought up at Eric Peters Autos:
"David" is my username. Moleman is coming close to arguing the position that only libertarians are Christians.
Just an FYI:
1. My answer to my own poll question is probably "yes", though its an exceedingly reluctant "yes."
2. The more reluctant someone is, the less quick I'm going to be to judge them. You, frankly, are not the type of person I was considering when I made my OP, even if you techncially qualify. You're against legal torture and you agree that its almost always wrong. There are a lot of people who support legal torture and who think at least some of what was in the Senate Report was morally permissible (At least at my school there are, admittedly, my school is pretty "conservative"). I much more had in mind the neoconservative who says "torture is always justified against terrorists if there's a chance to save even one life" than I am a generally peaceful person that reluctantly says they could justify torturing someone if it meant saving their family, or something like that.
OK, so in that situation you're almost dealing with Hiroshima and Nagisaki again (not as it actually occured, but what most people think of it as.) Fair enough...
Still distressing.... I'm not sure what that says of those people who actually think these were all ticking time bomb situations.
Do you think it would ever be moral to let someone die of hypothermia in a cold cell? Do you ever think it would ever be moral to break someone's legs and force them to stand for hours or days? Do you ever think it would be moral to consecutively waterboard someone 183 times?
Is your only issue with this the potential for abuse, or do you understand that there is something deeply immoral about this?
There's something sickening and inhumane about about what was described in the CIA report. Killing someone in self-defense when they are trying to shoot you isn't comparable to that.
Sorta, but there are plenty of people here who think it should be legal. So, where's the line where the form of torture becomes inhumane no matter what?
TC, I apologize for the neg rep. I was in a really bad mood today, both from seeing the CIA report and seeing people here at school defend it. I took it out on you. I deserved the neg rep you threw back. Sorry...
Am I also a hardcore extremist?
The same one you said you'd never be extreme enough in. The one about police.
TC, apparently I'm not even radical enough for some of the people here.