• Rothbardian Girl's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:58 PM
    Hey, Brandon! Not on here much anymore, unfortunately. I lurk from time to time. Life's been treating me well but I'm definitely not the person I thought I'd be when I was more active here. Hope you're well!
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    11-16-2017, 09:01 PM
    Denying the antecedent is Zippy's favorite fallacy. He thinks that if you say, "Rain is responsible for sidewalks getting wet," then you are claiming that sidewalks can't get wet unless it rains ...
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    11-16-2017, 07:23 PM
    Was going to post the following: But then I realized it doesn't matter. It really doesn't. We're just as screwed either way.
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  • CCTelander's Avatar
    11-16-2017, 05:31 PM
    Some credible analysts are predicting $10,000 or more by the end of the year. I believe it.
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    11-09-2017, 11:37 AM
    Heroes, one and all. It's so comforting to know that such stalwart individuals are out there every day keeping us safe.
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  • CCTelander's Avatar
    11-06-2017, 06:57 PM
    Buy on the dips!
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  • CCTelander's Avatar
    11-06-2017, 03:40 PM
    Hold on a minute. Neither you nor I as individuals, nor any other individual, nor any group of us collectively have the just authority to "extend those rights" to any individual, nor to remove them from any individual unless and until that individual has violated the rights of another causing provable damage in real life, in the here and now. Rights are inherent in the individual and no outside agency has any just authority over them except in those very narrowly defined situations. You cannot act in prior restraint, based upon some fictional scenario that may or may not ever occur in real life at some undetermined point in the future. And you certainly have no just authority to use the violence of the state to assuage you own fears at the expense of the rights of others. Either we adhere to this simple, irrefutable truth or what we're supporting is something quite different from liberty. Since child rapists have no inherent right to babysit anyone's kids, your analogy is epic fail and amounts to a straw man. <snip>
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-06-2017, 05:35 AM
    You said that arguments cannot be made without making certain predictions about the future. Then you defined statelessness with a declarative statement, full stop (""the state should be abolished and a free market in security should replace it"). Note, there is no prediction in that statement - it is, quite precisely, a philosophical statement without presumption of future consequences. Just a statement about how human society should be organized. I agree with it, in fact - it is simple, yet eloquent, and makes the case rather precisely. Again - you've stated that arguments cannot be made without making predictive statements. That all of economics, history and political science would be upended if we didn't make presumptions about the future. Which justifies your adherence to "minarchism", since you "know" that stateless will not succeed. As an aside, We're fortunate, as human beings, that you weren't around when human beings were considering whether or not civilization would persist without the institution of slavery. Your definition of "minarchism" (again, just a lol term) jives with your ability to see the future... Which is nice and all. It's just that you can't actually know what humans will accept and refute in the future. Just as you couldn't have known that slavery would eventually been rejected if you'd been peddling your nonsense on message boards in the 1800's. ;)
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-05-2017, 05:40 AM
    I oppose the State. I believe that human interaction should be based on the reality of human existence, which is - OBSERVABLY - that human beings exist on objectively equal terms. Though some may be more physically or mentally apt, there is clearly no instrument which can determine an objective standard by which one human is superior to another. Therefore there is no justification for the existence of an entity within human society wherein some subset of humans may rule over the rest. That is a logically consistent "political" (if you will) philosophy congruent with objective, observable human interaction. One may say that this model of society is unlikely to persist; that it is inevitable that some humans will inevitably seek to acquire a position of absolute authority over other humans. Much as others in the past argued that it is inevitable that there are some humans who are subservient others. Yet this concept, which had gained wide acceptance amongst humans from centuries if not millenia, has been rejected broadly by people as humans have grown and gained knowledge. Similarly, I believe that some day people will reject the notion that there are some people who are suited to rule over the rest of people. Maybe that is a folly, and maybe it isn't. As they say, the truth will bear out. Regardless, I hold this position not because I believe it is practical, or because I believe it is inevitable (though I believe it is both); I hold it because it is True. Full stop.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-05-2017, 05:26 AM
    I found a picture of your post, HVACTech: You've won this round, Gas Master... the power of your ass is indomitable! I think I too am going to start coding all of my internet POV's in cryptic, largely irrational arguments that can't be refuted on that very basis then claim victory over the retarded mass of humanity.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-05-2017, 04:34 AM
    Hmph? How about that? By your very own words you define statelessness by making a declarative statement, and your definition of "minarchism" (the time we could spend on that term...) comes out the gate claiming that statelessness is impossible. That's interesting. Because above you stated that it isn't possible to make an argument without predicting the future. Yet even you define the anti-statist as making a declarative (and not a predictive) statement. It's almost like you're full of shit, isn't it?
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-04-2017, 10:20 AM
    Ron was the original pragmatist - he presented himself to the general public as a reasonable, practical constitutionalist politician; Hey, this is what the governing document of this body says we can do, let's only do that. It happens that the Constitution was a decent document for limiting the scope of a national state. Since RP has been a national figure, however, the national state hasn't been limited in any way, shape, or form. So it was a decent piece of high ground from which he could snipe. In the course of doing so, he brought many of us here. Much of what Ron has written and said indicates that he believes in a much, MUCH more limited state than what the CONstitution lays out. Now that he's a private citizen, we're seeing more of that.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-04-2017, 02:48 AM
    I've been telling the ladies that for years... Ahem. I'll show myself out.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-03-2017, 08:21 PM
    Oh, good... HVACTech is creating threads in the political philosophy subforum. This place has been lacking finger-paint pieces for the refrigerator, lately.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-03-2017, 08:18 PM
    I'm sure you're a Trump supporter, which isn't "necessarily" congruent with *white supremacist*... but most of those folks are morons who wouldn't know a Paulian political position if he tripped over it, which wouldn't be surprising (the tripping over of, that is). But anyway, please continue along pulling your pants down and imagining you're not the butt of the joke...
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-03-2017, 08:03 PM
    I wasn't debating you. I just made an observation and recollection. :shrug: Little trigger happy there, aren't ya? That said, GFY. Also, I'm not in favor of open borders... because I'm not in favor of borders. I'm in favor of private property.
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    11-03-2017, 06:52 PM
    I may be mis-remembering, but I'm pretty sure kahless is an open fascist/white supremacist whose presence here only inaccurately ties RP to his twisted, BS collectivist ideology to the passers-by. On those terms, I endorse any and all GFY's he gets around here. Cleans the place up...
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-03-2017, 06:44 PM
    YES. THEY. DO. Unless they encroach uninvited or with malice upon PRIVATE PROPERTY, people have a right to move about the planet unencumbered. Adorable as it is that - like a child - you've endorsed the idea that there exists entities which have this extra-human authority to cordon off segments of the planet and claim them for their own, rational people understand that human beings doing no harm to others may move around as they may see fit. AND - CA's refusal to buy into the state's border scam does NOT mean that he favors violent people coming to this continent... he has stated that if people were allowed to possess whatever means of self-defense they so choose, none of this would matter. There was a time in this country when people who couldn't control themselves in polite society just ended up dead at the hands of people who could. That had a civilizing effect on folks. That sort of thing would be useful these days.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    11-03-2017, 03:43 AM
    Were there any men or "legal" guns left in New York City, this POS would have been dealt with at the beginning, middle or end of his rampage.
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  • CCTelander's Avatar
    10-31-2017, 03:34 PM
    This goes here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?228509-The-Myth-of-Police-Protection
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-28-2017, 04:23 PM
    You and Sisyphus. Poor guy. You, the all-knowing. We bow before you and your vice-like grip upon the unknowable. What things you must be able to tell us about the future! Please TELL US! We await your wisdom...
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-23-2017, 08:27 PM
    Yeah, I didn't see that. I'll go back and look. I don't have a ton of free time (I've been off the past couple days, so I've popped in to play), so you're correct I don't stick around too much... Real quick before I go to bed - this thing you guys keep bringing up, that contracts are gonna be enforced and therefore that's a State... it really belies a very sophomoric understanding of what the State is... sorry to say. Anti-statists oppose the unprovoked initiation of force. I mean, we can get into a lot more detail there, but at the end of the day, that's basically what it boils down to. I don't think any of us have time - nor hopefully the need - to get further into it than that, but maybe we do. Either way, not my problem - go ahead and read about what anti-statism is as far as libertarians are concerned. There's plenty of material out there - start with Tom Woods. This idea that we anti-statists think that in a world without a State, people are all just going to magically get along, and no one is going to welch on agreements and contracts... it's nonsense. No one in our tradition has ever suggested that would be the reality. We merely oppose the pre-emptive, unprovoked coercive and/or physical violence which the State represents. In more succinct terms, you (generally speaking, you "Statists") are afraid someone isn't going to live up to a contract (i.e., do violence, essentially), so you pre-empt said violent act by inaugurating the State, an institution which is BY DEFINITION an act of violence. Now, it's always at this point that Statists want answers... "well, then how are you going to enforce contracts", or, "how are you going to provide defense", or, "how are you going to do..." this or that. That's NOT THE POINT. THE POINT IS, you're point of view is wrong. It's immoral, because you're initiating violence where there has been no offense. That is the point upon which the pendulum of the argument tips. By the way - there are answers to those questions... but they don't really matter, because in a truly free market, there are literally 7 billion people with numerous ideas as to how those questions may be answered... THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FREE MARKET IS. As a so-called conservative, or libertarian, or whatever you call yourself, THAT SHOULD BE SELF-EVIDENT TO YOU.
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-23-2017, 07:55 PM
    Well, as I said... WHO CARES?
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-23-2017, 04:01 PM
    Meanwhile, long, thoughtful posts go unresponded to... :shrug:
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-23-2017, 03:59 PM
    Hi there! Just checking - are you actually reading this thread?
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-23-2017, 10:14 AM
    I don't think an anarchist posted this article originally... but who knows, and who cares... I'm sure the likes of you, with all your logical consistency wouldn't miss such a detail. :lol:
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  • A Son of Liberty's Avatar
    10-23-2017, 08:27 AM
    Jeezus... is this your "big objection" to anti-statism? Well noshitsherlock... Guess what? THAT'S EVERYONE'S BIGGEST PROBLEM! Someday, someone might come along and kill you. Aw gee, welcome to life on planet Earth. One can live in fear of that moment and seek to protect himself from it at ALL COSTS (literally), and still end up dead in the end, by the way. Oh good... kill yourself before someone else can do it for you. BRILLIANT.
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