• ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Today, 03:02 PM
    Don't know where the Bakkens is but it's mighty hard for me to believe that the pipeline can't be re-routed somewhere. If they don't want it going west they can route it north or south and around the offending area. If there's absolutely NO other route (hard to believe) then I guess they could always use tankers and go over the road... (with all the additional issues trucking poses)...
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:55 PM
    Arkansas or Iowa... Thousands of miles available out there that I'm sure don't go through a reservation...
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:43 PM
    They could even go around Missouri if they had to...
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    Yesterday, 10:42 PM
    I hate to have to be the one to bring this up but exactly where does the bible say anything about what age one can have sex at?? In fact there are many instances in the bible where very young people have had sex and or married... Just wonderin...
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:29 PM
    I don't understand what the big deal is. They have plenty of funds to re-route the pipeline around the disputed area. The longer they put off the plans the longer until it's completed...
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  • CCTelander's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:46 AM
    You forgot "nada." Considering the subject matter of this thread, that's almost unpardonable. ;)
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 11:28 PM
    Sounds like a good excuse for some Kool & the Gang ... (not that any excuse is needed ...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 10:24 PM
    Or you could look at it as not being an "either-or" dilemma. Both spending and taxes should be reduced. I'm categorical about tax hikes. It's just wrong to take other peoples' stuff. It's more wrong to take more of their stuff. (And it's being "the end of the world" or not hasn't got anything to do with it.)
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 09:23 PM
    Further to which, reductio ad absurdum may be applied here ... The argument as given implies not only that such tax reductions should be opposed, but also that tax increases of the same kind should not be opposed. Consider a proposed tax increase of either "general" or "targeted" variety. Suppose the increase passes and is enacted. At this point, there is no functional difference whatsoever between opposition to the increase and any subsequent support for a decrease of the same variety and of equal magnitude. Thus, if support for the decrease is not to be approved by "free market people," then neither was opposition to the increase - and for exactly the same reasons.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 08:17 PM
    The author of "End the Fed" certainly cannot be accused of being unaware of the government's ability to fund itself by way of the printing press. Ron Paul has elsewhere repeatedly and explicitly identified three basic ways government funds itself: (1) through "direct" taxation (in various forms) (2) through "indirect" taxation (such as the so-called "inflation tax" inherent in fiat monetary inflation - i.e., the "printing press" option) (3) through borrowing and debt issuance (which must ultimately be paid for via (1) or (2)) In his commentary in the video under consideration, he is concerned solely with (1), as that is the only of the three options which is relevant to the Carrier "tax break" issue. And none of this accounts for his numerous assertions elsewhere of the importance of real and significant spending cuts as a critical element in any effort to shrink the size of government ...
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 06:45 PM
    I cannot tell a lie - Douglas Adams plagiarized that phrase from me ... :toady:
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 06:39 PM
    :eek: Maybe Aldrin and Kerry aren't Aldrin and Kerry anymore ...
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 06:13 PM
    Regardless of how much business you do with whom, you have the "right" not to have your money involuntarily taken from you in the first place - and it having been taken, you have the "right" to get all of it back (not merely "some" of it). Whether you will actually be able to do so is another matter (and there is not anything wrong with lobbying in such an effort - any more than there is anything wrong with lobbying on behalf of the right to keep and bear arms, for example). When something is returned to them that rightfully belonged to them in the first place, they are not being "rewarded." Also, getting "fat government contracts" (on the one hand) and getting "tax breaks" (on the other hand) are two different things. The first can be considered a form of subsidy (depending on how "fat" the contracts in question are). The second cannot.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 05:20 PM
    Muh federal standards.
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    12-03-2016, 04:33 PM
    Ron's exact words at that timestamp (emphasis added): "My policy over the years has always been to support anything that looks like a tax abatement or a tax credit even though I didn't like the condition where you're giving it to one not the other ..." I don't like the condition where you're giving it to one but not the other, either. But it's better than the case where you're not giving it to anyone at all. It is always better, ceteris paribus, when less of peoples' stuff is being expropriated. It is always worse, ceteris paribus, when more of peoples' stuff is being expropriated. One cannot achieve "fairness" in any meaningful sense by refusing to steal less of particular peoples' stuff so that people will be robbed more "equally" in general - "fairness" got chucked right out the window the moment any of their stuff was expropriated in the first place. Subsidies are another matter altogether (and I mean REAL subsidies, NOT tax credits/breaks/rebates/abatements/etc.). If Carrier or its parent company is receiving any actual subsidies that were involuntarily mulcted from others, then I will happily criticize them for it. But that is a separate issue. And for the record, I could not care less about this having been promulgated by Trump - or about what Trump's motivations are (Carrier is in no way accountable for Trump's motivations, whatever they might be). I'd be of exactly the same opinion if this occurred under the auspices of Obama, or Bush the Second, or Clinton, or Bush the First, or etc. Nor do I give a fetid dingo's kidney for what this might mean (one way or the other) in regard to "jobs" or whatnot.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 11:38 AM
    Apparently, you also agree more with Sarah Palin than you do with Ron Paul. Furthermore, Palin simply reiterates the "subsidies" canard. Stealing less of what already rightfully belongs to others is NOT a "subsidy" ...
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 10:22 AM
    (no one responded with the correct answer - GHOST BUSTERS!!)
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 09:42 AM
    :confused: You need to learn to express your thoughts intelligibly. As stated, this sentence makes no sense. Where, for example, is "Ron Pauls video that is for this type of government?" (After going to the trouble of trying to parse out what you might possibly have meant by this strangely worded clause, I can only assume that you actually meant to say something like "Has anyone who is for this type of government watched Ron Paul's video ..." rather than "Anyone watch Ron Pauls video that is for this type of government ...") Is this supposed to be some kind of threat? My neg-rep hammer is a lot bigger than yours ...
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-03-2016, 02:53 AM
    In that case, Missourians are the ones being "subsidized," which is "unfair" to Floridians, and exactly the same "logic" applies. Arguing for the "fairest" way of robbing people (so that "winners and losers" are not "picked," for example) makes my head hurt ...
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 11:05 PM
    Who ya gonna call???
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 07:48 PM
    Um, yeah... I'd like to see him at least show his face from behind a curtain or something...
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  • ChristianAnarchist's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 07:46 PM
    I hadn't thought of that... Now I'm all for taking away the "citizenship" of anyone burning the flag. I might need that out in the future when I want to stop paying income tax on foreign earned money...
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 06:51 PM
    One Tax Code to rule them all, One Tax Code to find them, One Tax Code to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of D.C. where the shadows lie. Missourians have to pay state income taxes. Floridians do not have to pay state income taxes. This is grossly unjust!
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 06:18 PM
    He said "a silver .10 dime" - not merely any coin (or combination of coins) having "10 cents" of "face value." The current* melt value for US silver dimes is $1.21. The current* price for a gallon of gas (national average) is $2.16. So two US silver dimes are currently worth more than a gallon of gas. * current = as of 2016-12-02
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 05:34 PM
    And that is exactly what the US & Israel hardliners want. A moderate Iran is much less likely to provide US & Israel hardliners with the kind of excuses they need to attack Iran and install a puppet regime, ŗ la the Shah ... This question answers itself.
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  • Occam's Banana's Avatar
    12-02-2016, 05:08 PM
    False dichotomy is falsely dichotomous. (Some people have the gall to walk and chew gum at the same time, too ... :rolleyes:)
    19 replies | 455 view(s)
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When most people are exposed to the idea of a society organized without taxation, they often jump to the conclusion that the services provided by government would no longer exist. After it is proposed that these services would still exist, but they would be provided by voluntary organizations, they assume only problems and chaos could ensue. Warlords, crooked arbitration, justice for only the richÖ surely these are unavoidable consequences of a society without taxation!

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Taxation is theft, purely and simply even though it is theft on a grand and colossal scale which no acknowledged criminals could hope to match. It is a compulsory seizure of the property of the Stateís inhabitants, or subjects. Ė Murray Rothbard
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