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    06-21-2016, 12:00 PM
    TER replied to a thread RIP Shem Kellogg in Shem Kellogg Forum
    O God of spirits and of all flesh, Who hast trampled down death and overthrown the Devil, and given life to Thy world, do Thou, the same Lord, give rest to the soul of Thy departed servant Shem in a place of brightness, a place of refreshment, a place of repose, where all sickness, sighing, and sorrow have fled away. Pardon every transgression which he has committed, whether by word or deed or thought. For Thou art a good God and lovest mankind; because there is no man who lives yet does not sin, for Thou only art without sin, Thy righteousness is to all eternity, and Thy word is truth. For Thou are the Resurrection, the Life, and the Repose of Thy servants who have fallen asleep, O Christ our God, and unto Thee we ascribe glory, together with Thy Father, who is from everlasting, and Thine all-holy, good, and life-creating Spirit, now and ever unto ages of ages. Amen.
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    06-18-2016, 08:34 AM
    TER replied to a thread Humility in Peace Through Religion
    Part 3 With a variety of definitions, our Fathers lead us to humility, but the meaning is almost the same: the comprehensive labour of love that supports all the other virtues. We shall now note some of the sayings of the Fathers which refer to the qualities and fruits of the humble outlook and the manner in which those who have it behave. This will give us more practical knowledge. Anthony the Great, when he was once in an ecstatic state, saw all the land around him full of traps set by Satan. He sighed and asked God to tell him how anyone could avoid them and then heard a voice telling him: ‘only with humility’. The same saint, when he was asked by Pimin (Poemen) the Great what the perfect work was for spiritual people, as regards virtue, answered that it is self-censure and living continuously in the expectation of temptation.
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    06-18-2016, 08:33 AM
    TER replied to a thread Humility in Peace Through Religion
    Part 2 Βlessed and favoured people who are humble are meek, calm, serene, attached to virtue, opposed to evil, untroubled by any circumstance or threat. They live in the bosom of the faith, like infants in the maternal embrace of grace. They never live for themselves, because they’ve forgotten what that is. They’ve become one with the others; they become all things to everyone, in order to bring solace to them. They cry with those who are weeping and rejoice with those who are glad. Since, by grace, they’ve been absorbed into Christ the Saviour, they bear all burdens, without ever distressing or embittering other people. In the fullness of their love towards others, even towards irrational creation, by their submission to every other person, they provide whatever it is that circumstances demand while, at the same time, disappearing into the cover of their humility so as to pass unnoticed. They avoid the limelight, turn down honours and don’t seek gratitude. They’re beloved by all and never have any enemies. If ever there’s cause for them to be taunted and judged, the charges against them won’t stand up to a personal confrontation. The mystical protection of grace which accompanies them inspires fear and veneration in other people and their decisions and feelings are changed in a trice. Those who were at first accusers are transformed into servants. But even irrational creation, animate and inanimate, changes its roughness in the presence of humble people. The divine grace which enfolds them is perceptible immediately by the harsh elements and the wild animals, which cease their natural activity and are transformed into servants, because, around humble people, they scent their first lord, sinless Adam, who approached them and gave them names, as their master and godfather. In the presence of humble people, we can all discern the character of Christ the Saviour, of the New Creation, the new Adam. He Who fasted in the desert, was with the wild animals and served by angels; He Who walked on the water and rebuked the winds and the storm; He Who cast out evil demons, Who cured the disease that affects all humankind by vanquishing death; He Who gave life, Who became and is ‘the Resurrection of all’ and Who praised the humble, saying ‘Blessed are the poor in spirit for of such is the kingdom of heaven’. *** According to the Fathers, humility is a gift of the Holy Spirit, not merely a human accomplishment. It’s given to those who desire it, seek it and work painstakingly on the things which contribute to the successful acquisition of this blessing. Humility begins with the humble outlook and ends with behaving humbly. People who don’t attribute to themselves abilities greater than those possessed by others and who think humbly about themselves, begin to value their fellow human beings, accept blame when they’re admonished and listen to advice. They become gentler in character, restrain their anger and are easily moved to sympathy. If they make this position dependent on God and do so as a conscious effort of Christian morality, they pray to God and beg Him to strengthen them. Then they make progress, by God’s grace, towards the feeling of more perfect humility, which is a gift of God. There are also people who are naturally gifted with meekness and humility, and though this is praiseworthy, it’s not worthy of reward, because these qualities have been acquired without labour, struggle and effort.
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    06-18-2016, 08:32 AM
    TER replied to a thread Humility in Peace Through Religion
    On Humilty and the Humble Outlook Part 1 The title of this speech given by Elder Joseph of Vatopedi in Greek is ‘Περί ταπεινώσεως και ταπεινοφροσύνης’. The Elder has explained the difference as being that ‘ταπεινοφροσύνη’ is an attitude of mind (hence ‘humble outlook’), while ‘ταπείνωσις’ (‘humility’) is from the heart. In practice, however, the terms are often used interchangeably. Without question, the Scriptures as a whole, as well as Patristic philosophy, are ‘seasoned with salt’, as it were, garlanded with the good mother of the virtues, the humble outlook. This is particularly noticeable at the points related to the behavior and comportment of people living by the direct instructions to reach their destination and striving to put these into practice through repentance. In another homily, we referred to obedience as a virtue. Now we’re obliged to describe humility as an attribute, the character and form of the soul and of the personality.
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    06-11-2016, 08:45 PM
    Just read this sermon for tomorrow and thought of this thread. (the Orthodox Church commemorate the Holy Fathers of the First Ecumenical Council of Nicaea on the Sunday after the Feast Day of the Holy Ascension). It doesn't exactly address the OP but can add some further thought to the discussion. On Not Escaping the World, But Being Holy in It: Homily for the Sunday After the Ascension in the Orthodox Church JUNE 11, 2016 BY FR. PHILIP LEMASTERS
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    06-08-2016, 12:51 PM
    Great work! If you need a recommendation for med school or residency, let me know! :) You have alot of time yet to decide which field of medicine to go into, but if you ever want to pick my brain about the various specialities (their pros and cons), pm me.
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    06-05-2016, 06:33 PM
    The Roman Catholic Church should first allow married men ordination into the priesthood. This is by far a greater and more pressing issue.
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    05-31-2016, 09:08 PM
    It's fair to say, I think, that your one post in this thread has done more to turn people away from Christ than all the other posts written previously by the OP.
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    05-31-2016, 08:59 PM
    What then are the bunches of errors you are alluding to? I agree that he could have driven his point more with the verse from Corinthians which you suggested above. It was also a very short article addressing a topic that could probably fill pages upon pages. I just don't see where all the bunches of errors are. Please list them.
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    05-31-2016, 08:56 PM
    Very good. I thought you didn't. I must have confused you with someone else.
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    05-31-2016, 08:55 PM
    Of course you are. - rep
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    05-31-2016, 08:49 PM
    So you do agree that there be will those called great in the Kindgom of Heaven and those called the least in the Kindgom of Heaven (as Christ described), and what distinguishes these are the rewards they were given on account of the good works they did?
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    05-31-2016, 08:32 PM
    When a child understands that they are but a child, then they can truly learn. A child has gifts, and learning how to learn is one of the greatest gifts a child can have. And in God's good time, more fruit can flourish. He prays for them and with them, and is in loving fellowship with them. Would that not be enough? What then is enough? He also sings in the choir and perhaps helps them with certain projects they need. Perhaps he does more than you ever will, even as he rests on the shoulders of giants before him. Perhaps it is you who are misconstruing what fisharmor wrote? I leave it to him to explain, as I am sure he will do so better than I can.
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    05-31-2016, 08:25 PM
    Was Timothy his biological son? He called Timothy his son. That would make Paul a father to him. Since St. Paul had no biological children, and when one reads the words of his epistles, it is clear that he is referencing himself as Timothy's spiritual father. Indeed, as the spiritual father to all in Corinth. This does not mean he put himself above God the Father, which is what Christ warned against.
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    05-31-2016, 08:24 PM
    Because of writings which include the Holy Scriputres and the writings of the Church Fathers of the apostolic era and afterwards.
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    05-31-2016, 08:22 PM
    To say this means you have very little understanding of the important roles all members of the body have and how this has been manifested through the life of the Church. All are called to participate, but not all are called to preach.
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    05-31-2016, 08:20 PM
    Moses and Elijiah appeared with Christ and conversed with Him prior to the Ressurection. Would you say they were not members of the Church of Christ?
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    05-31-2016, 08:17 PM
    Please elaborate. :)
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    05-31-2016, 08:16 PM
    and how do you know this? I am not saying he did or didn't, I am simply asking how you know.
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    05-31-2016, 08:16 PM
    When the rich man saw Abraham in heaven with Lazarus in his bossom, and addressed him as "Father Abraham," Abraham's response was not, "Do you not realize that only God the Father is to be called 'father'?" Rather, he replied, "Son, remember. . .
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    05-31-2016, 08:11 PM
    Christ also said in Matthew 23 'do not be called teachers', and yet later on He refers to Nicodemus as one. Did Christ contradict Himself? Perhaps the spirit of what Christ is saying (which happens to be the understanding of the Church from the beginning, including St. Paul who called himself the father of those whom he brought the gospel to), is that we are to understand that our Father in Heaven alone is the source of all things, including knowledge and wisdom, and that we should of put no one else above Him or as a replacement, for God alone is the Father. Whether we call our paternal dad 'father' means nothing as long as we understand it is God above through whom all things find being.
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    05-31-2016, 08:07 PM
    It is not that trusting in scripture is innovative, but rather that trusting in scripture alone which is innovative when judged against the historical writings and witness of the Christian Church going back to the earliest writings. Please don't build strawmen. Ok. Well, is that what the Lord meant? If so, then why the change by you?
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    05-31-2016, 07:32 PM
    Trusting only in Scripture is most definitely an innovative doctrine which is completely foreign to the teachings and writings of the Apostles and early Church Fathers. The rest of your post seems like word-play. :) Let's slow things down a little bit... If I call my father 'father', am I sinning against God?
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    05-31-2016, 05:56 PM
    Btw, while there are local non-dogmatic traditions which vary from region or nation and ones which change in time and space according to the challenges being faced by the members, the notion that we are to hand on to the teachings of our fathers before us is a fundamental Christian teaching, completely consistent with the history of Israel's relationship with God and the teachings handed down by Christ to His Apostles and the Church. We can say to be wary of traditions which are apart from God, but at the same time we should earnestly seek to find which are the ones which are according to His pleasure. When we put even just a small effort in studying the writings of the early witnesses, we clearly learn how important good traditions are according to Christ and the Apostles, and to the Church Fathers and the Saints of the early Church. A great part, perhaps the very essence, of being a Christian is one of obedience and control over one's own will in order to find the will of God. This includes following the commandments of God and the traditions of God (whether in word or epistle) and no more reliably visible is the will of God discerned than through the Church which is the pillar and foundation of the truth. For it is God Himself working within the Church which gives it such great a power, just as it was God Himself working through the Church in the writing of the Holy Scriptures, which was one part of the fulfillment of the apostolic commission.
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    05-31-2016, 05:38 PM
    Then why did St. Paul tell his spiritual children to listen to him and to the Apostles? Were they not men? Perhaps because the authority lay not in them, but in the Holy Spirit in them?? And if so, perhaps it is because of the Holy Spirit in them which gives the authority regarding dividing which are good traditions and which are bad.
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    05-31-2016, 05:34 PM
    Through the Holy Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But more specifically, for reasons of this current dialogue, through the Holy Spirit after Christ ascended to be at the Right Hand of the Father.
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    05-31-2016, 05:21 PM
    I would add that you are correct donnay in that there exist traditions which can be castigated as 'traditions of men' or 'traditions apart from God'. No one is denying this. The question is, how can we know which are the bad traditions which St. Paul is alluding to in some of the quotes above and which are the good traditions which St. Paul is alluding to in the others? Here is a hint: What did the same St. Paul say was the bulwark and foundation for the truth? Perhaps knowing that, we might better know which are the God-inspired traditions beneficial to the Christian and which are not and should be avoided. In one breath, you post a quote which gives the impression that traditions (in general) are bad, and then in another, a quote which speaks to the traditions of the Apostles and how they must be handed down. The question, as asked above, is who or what determines which traditions are beneficial and which are not, which should be discarded and which should of be faithfully followed and handed down?
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    05-31-2016, 04:53 PM
    Donnay, you continue to ignore the question I asked you earlier. If we can continue with that dialogue, perhaps we can then move onto the quotes you mention above and discuss how they fit in. I will try again: Did the Apsotles start any traditions?
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    05-31-2016, 04:18 PM
    I believe he is referring to those who are singing the psalms and hymns in the liturgical service. The singing of hymns and prayers during common liturgical worship goes back, of course, to a time before the New Testament period. In the early Church, we find this tradition in the Book of Acts. By the second and third century, pious liturgical developments in hymnology and in the ordos of the worship helped formalize a more concrete and universal liturgical formation structured around the apostolic framework which was handed down by the Apostles and those they ordained. This resulted in a more aesthetic and structured service incorporating the talents of select individuals within the Church who led the laity in the antiphonal responses and hymning, as well as in the readings from the Old Testament. Because they chant (or sing) the psalms (which is a tradition which dates back to Jewish practices prior to Christ's Advent), they have been called chanters.
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