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    12-06-2016, 10:34 PM
    Christ revealed that He is the I AM. He is revealing that He is God, who spoke with Abraham and Moses and established covenants with them, which included Israel.
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    12-06-2016, 10:15 PM
    And this may be partly a reason why the Book of Enoch was not included. Perhaps certain Christians began to get so fixated on this book that it affected them in bad ways? Perhaps it caused them to separate from the communion of believers and caused divisions and needless distractions from the greater message of the gospel? I don't know. From what I understand, while it may contain historical truths and be inspired, it did not fulfill the requirements of catholicity, consensus and pastoral importance to the spreading of the Gospel, to be listed among the approved canonical books. The same could be said for others books highly regarded in the early Church which were not included in the canon, such as the Shepherd of Hermas and the Epistles of St Clement. These writings are considered inspired and according to the apostolic faith but were not placed in the biblical canon.
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    12-06-2016, 10:02 PM
    Exactly. Much of the Book of Revelation and the Book of Enoch is a mystery and spending too much time or making the Book of Enoch (or even the Book of Revelation) the centerpiece of one's theology and praxis can be spiritually dangerous.
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    12-06-2016, 10:00 PM
    What you are describing is similar to the Marcion heresy. According to the teachings of Christ, He is the Father of Abraham Who chose Israel.
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    12-06-2016, 09:56 PM
    The Ethiopian Orthodox Church does, but the Coptic and the Armenian Orthodox Church (that is, those others which comprise the Oriental Orthodox Church) do not have the Book of Enoch as part of their canon. But that may be because the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has a less stringent criteria for their canon. In other words, if it contains certain important truths handed down, it was included, even if the other parts of the specific text are controversial or considered dubious or fabricated. The Eastern Orthodox Church (and the other Oriental Orthodox Churches) included in their canon those books which were felt to be most important and pastorally important for the salvation of the members,, and the Book of Enoch for reasons I am not exactly clear on, did not make the cut. Probably because there was no consensus or because some of the topics in the book were controversial or even dangerous to the lay reader.
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    12-06-2016, 09:40 PM
    He bases his belief on angels mating with humans from the Book of Enoch. This was not a pagan belief, this was an old Jewish belief held by those who held the Book of Enoch as containing truths. I agree with you that such teachings are not necessarily heretical or impossible to accord with Christian truth. I just don't understand how him implicating pagan myths into historical events which were misconstrued by some long ago (that they were in fact demons, and not gods) can cause people to question Justin Martyr's orthodoxy (as another poster here implied).
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    12-06-2016, 09:20 PM
    I don't see how him ascribing the gods of the pagans as being nothing more than demons is not according to the teachings of the Church. This sounds like a consistent teaching in the patristic writings that I am familiar with. I
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    12-06-2016, 08:37 PM
    Justin Martyr grew up in paganism and converted and became one of the most learned and brilliant confessors for Christ in the second century.
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    12-06-2016, 08:35 PM
    How is his mentionings which align with themes in the Book of Enoch have something to do with paganism?
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    12-06-2016, 05:44 PM
    The fact that the Book of Enoch is referenced in Jude's Epistle proves that there does exist (at least some) truth in the book. The question then is, why was it not held everywhere to be canonical? Again, this is where discretion comes into play within the life and the function of the Church. The Church has not canonized the book on account of some doubt or other pastoral reason. They have not held it's contents to be a rule of faith whereby doctrines of the Christian gospel have been formed.
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    12-06-2016, 05:33 PM
    I misspoke. I have read Cain referred to as being a forefather to modern man, but can't remember the source. I personally assumed that his geneological line and that of the other immediate children of Adam have, in time, crossed. Nevertheless, you are correct that I made a wrong statement. Thank you for catching that! +rep
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    12-06-2016, 02:51 PM
    I just don't know how you are so certain that none of Noah's ancestors (including his mother, who is not named) did not have a genealogy leading back to Cain.
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    12-06-2016, 02:45 PM
    There is no consensus within the Orthodox Church regarding the nature of the nephilim. Dogmatically, the Church has not proclaimed a position, although some Church Fathers held the Book of Enoch to be inspired and expressed similar teaching as above. From a source of mine, it seems the opinion of all the Fathers of the first four centuries who addressed the issue of the identity of the 'Sons of God' are as follows: Were the Sons of God incorporeal Angels? b. 100 - St Justin Martyr - YES b. 115 - St Iraneous of Lyons - YES b. 150 - St Clement of Alexandria - YES b. 160 - Tertullian - YES
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    12-06-2016, 02:15 PM
    Yes, but Noah was born over 1000 years after Adam. Cain sired many children, as did Seth. How do you know that in that time there wasnt any convergence in the bloodline genealogy of Noah?
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    12-06-2016, 02:03 PM
    Regarding the Nephilim being offspring of demons, where in the early Church or afterwards was this taught?
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    12-06-2016, 01:59 PM
    How was Noah not a son of Cain?
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    12-06-2016, 01:53 PM
    I'm not sure when in the history of Christianity that some of things being taught here were ever stated. Does anyone have any patristic sources which can corroborate these things? As far as I understand the writings of the early Christians and the Church Fathers, Cain is the son of Adam and we are all descended from Cain.
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    12-06-2016, 08:25 AM
    This is a neat website for those who are interested in the life of St. Nicholas: http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/home/
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    12-06-2016, 08:21 AM
    Sermon by St. Metropolitan Philaret given on December 5/18, 1972: Eve of the Feast of Saint Nicholas: In the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Tonight begins the celebration of the Feast of the holy hierarch and wonderworker St. Nicholas. The Holy Orthodox Church commemorates him with special festivity, and his feast day is reckoned s one of the great feasts of the ecclesiastical year. As we have said before, St. Nicholas left behind no additions to the Church’s sacred literature, to the sublime treasure-chest of the writings of the holy fathers of the Church. Let us recall St. John Chrysostom, let us bring to mind St. Basil the Great and St. Gregory the Theologian along with the rest of the mighty chorus of those giants of theological thought and word. Each of these surrendered to us a tremendous treasure, and the Church celebrates their feast-days, glorifying them as the universal teachers, as hierarchs who through their spiritual influence and authority crossed the borders of their own dioceses and became in fact bishops of the entire universe. Though the sacred services in their honor are very solemn and festive, still they do not exhibit the touching and jubilant character of the service to St. Nicholas, to him who is called among our Russian people “Nicholas the Merciful”. In him, as perhaps in no other saint, are incorporated to an incomparable degree the wondrous virtues of love and compassion. This has moved the pious Russian people to say as a proverb: “Bring your tribulations to Nicholas the Merciful, and he will take them to the All-Merciful Savior.” Yet it must be remembered that this love which illumined the heart of St. Nicholas for our Lord and his neighbor, this love, when confronted by stubborn evil and conscious enmity against the Truth was transfigured into burning and indignant zeal.
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    12-06-2016, 08:19 AM
    Bump! Today, the Orthodox Church commemorates the life of the great St. Nicholas.
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    12-04-2016, 11:28 PM
    This is what happens when Christ is removed from the consciousness of the governing powers, and the Word of God is attacked.. This is why I hope Le Pen will become President. French government votes to ban pro-life websites PARIS, December 2, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) --The socialist government of France passed a bill after one day's debate that criminalizes websites that might dissuade women from abortion.
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    12-03-2016, 06:38 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    Is it irrelevant? My, we will need to dig a little deeper. Unfortunately, I have dinner plans for tonight, so please excuse me. Can we continue this tomorrow?
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    12-03-2016, 06:25 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    I'm so happy you agree! We are making progress! Just wanted to make sure we were in agreement, you know, with all the talk about 'Reptilians' and such on the Internet. Tell me though. These people who work in the 'Fed' and the central banks they make transactions with, are their family members allowed to own corporations?
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    12-03-2016, 06:18 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    So is your answer, yes, that it is an organization comprised of human beings with family and friends?
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    12-03-2016, 06:17 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    Pretty good. Only had to write a few sentences to prove you wrong.
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    12-03-2016, 06:09 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    When and if you are ready to continue the lesson, let me know.
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    12-03-2016, 06:04 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    LOL. Thank you for proving my point that everything you post is suspect.
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    12-03-2016, 05:58 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    What is the 'Fed'? Is it a nebulous term referring to an artificially made robot, or is it an organization comprised of human beings with family and friends?
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    12-03-2016, 05:55 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    But the Fed makes transactions with these banks that make transactions with corporations and individuals, correct?
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    12-03-2016, 05:51 PM
    TER replied to a thread Why Syria? in U.S. Political News
    And the member banks, do they make transactions with corporations?
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