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    Yesterday, 07:12 PM
    This is the sort of lunacy that leads to bloody revolutions where entire classes of people are murdered. So let them keep pushing this nonsense. The day may come when all this freakish stupidity will be put to ends. If such a day comes, it will be spectacularly ugly in result and many innocents will pay for the sins of the guilty. THAT is reason sufficient that we all need to be well educated, carry the right attitude about things such as respect for our fellows, and be MURDEROUSLY intolerant of those who would steer us astray from the most basic proprieties. But we choose otherwise and the cycles continue, always resulting in huge massacres. This has been the history of Empire; why should it be different now?
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    Yesterday, 07:07 PM
    What a load of crap. First of all, the degree of risk is immaterial. Secondly, who determines "minimal"? The language you cite is utterly devoid of semantic value. It talks a lot, yet says nothing. FAIL.
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    Yesterday, 02:24 PM
    That's only one sound. That other one is the sucking noise made by intelligence fleeing the planet the way the residents of Tokyo fled Godzilla. Oh, but it will. It will. Ga-RON-tee.
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    Yesterday, 02:18 PM
    I can see it now... some tranny trepanning his perineum every month for 3 lousy day's pay.
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    Yesterday, 02:08 PM
    What on earth are you talking about?
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    Yesterday, 07:57 AM
    Were black helicopters involved?
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    Yesterday, 06:14 AM
    Two things. 1: The bolded is almost certainly false. 2: Anyone that clueless has no business as janitor at a middle school, much less being POTUS.
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    03-27-2017, 06:09 PM
    Perhaps Trump is seeing this racket for what it is, is saying "screw this", and will work to ensure he is not re-electable.
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    03-27-2017, 05:32 PM
    I mistakenly trusted the cite of the study as being that which was alleged. Having now read the report in summary fashion, I agree that the cite did not accurately describe the nature of the study, at least so far as I have been able to cursorily determine. See how easy it is to own up to one's errors? It makes you a better human being. It bespeaks honor and honesty, not to mention a stout ego vis-à-vis a huge puffed up cruller. The very man who has given you the lesson has augmented it with a real-life example in practice of that which he preaches. Learn from it and make good your wicked self before your fellows. That all said, your assertion that soy proteins do not make their way into the eggs of birds fed on soy products has yet to be demonstrated. Not saying you are wrong, but only that you have provided no evidence to suggest that you are correct. My birds are grain- and grass-fed. Our eggs are fabulous, BTW. As for cults, here is one. Enjoy:
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    03-27-2017, 05:16 PM
    I guess my sarcasm vaporized prior to hitting paper, so to speak. I suck at subtlety because I'm so subtle, nobody knows what in hell I am really saying, including myself most of the time.
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    03-27-2017, 05:14 PM
    Certainly, and that is precisely why I responded as I did, to underscore the reality of what such a move would mean going forward... even though today "forward" == "backward". :(
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    03-27-2017, 01:57 PM
    You make a declarative statement that is impossible to misinterpret. You are demonstrated to be in error. You then backpedal with an old trick - "oh it's so small, it it meaningless".
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    03-27-2017, 01:32 PM
    Therein the greater risk. As I wrote, such exercise of power left unchallenged has a way of leading to more of the same. Some precedents are impossibly dangerous, and yet doing nothing is at least equally so, if not more. What does one do when the population is so indescribably ignorant on the average, so divided, so apathetic, corrupt, cowardly, and greedy that they cannot or will not come together in agreement on the most basic elements of how life shall be? What does one do, given all that plus the fact that there are vested interests so deeply entrenched and accessing of the real power of the throne, so to speak, that not only can they set into motion that which we all claim to hate, but nobody will step up to put it to ends? How much can a president really do in this context? How much can he do when Congress is so basically corrupt that men like Paul, Massie, and Amash constitute a proportion suggesting of a mosquito's fart in a hurricane for influence and the power to bring "real" change? That is why I brought up the notion of martial law as being the LEAST UNLIKELY path to the end in question. They are all unlikely. None of them seem very hopeful at all, but martial law seems the least hopeless... which is really saying next to nothing. That all said, a truly good man in proper control of himself, given the minimal conditions, could perhaps pull off such a move. But once again, the precedent will have been set such that we all pretty well know that the next time a president will deem the situation sufficiently dire, he will repeat the performance. That might be OK, but what if it were another Obama who decided that we are at such a pass that we can no longer afford the BoR? We MUST have socialism for the greater good. He pulls that rabbit out of his ass and then where are we? Dangerville. Slavetown. Fuckitsburg. We're done. And yet, to continue this way... are we any better off, as the general population becomes ever softer, more ignorant, and corrupted?
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    03-27-2017, 01:10 PM
    I hope your characterization is correct. I do agree that some acts merit response, but that is only one side of the coin. The other relates to the precise nature of the response. I have no idea who was killed, or how many were. I can only hope that most, if not all, were bad guys. Trump may be just another bad guy, but if he is not, he is staring down the maw of an endlessly dangerous beast which appears to want war and more of it. Pissing in that creature's cornflakes takes either a complete absence of brains or a pair bigger and of more brass than the average bear can claim. I hope Trump proves the latter, but in that case it will surprise me no whit to find his brains have been used to decorate some sidewalk, somewhere, before much longer. Interesting times.
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    03-27-2017, 06:15 AM
    You are on my ignore list, but something told me that you were going to respond in some unintelligent and dishonest manner. Sure enough. I will say this once and only once, as it has not been my habit to make such statements: you are as a punk of the lowest rent, and dishonest in the deal; apparently lacking the basic language skills to properly parse my statements. Nowhere did I say or imply that I hoped he would do such a thing. You assassinate your own credibility. Do the world a favor.
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    03-27-2017, 06:04 AM
    I must once again register my irritation with this policy of **'ing out words. This is supposed to be a LIBERTY forum. It is supposed to be a place for rational adults to come together and discuss the various issues. I don't see how the policy of infantalizing words accords with adult discourse. Hell, even Q U E E R has become a normalized terms - the Q U E E R S use it all the time. I can see censoring the pejorative use of the term, but the blanket suppression makes no sense. I thought this is why we have moderators. And what about use of Q U E E R to describe things wholly unrelated to gay? Honestly.
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    03-27-2017, 05:57 AM
    Seems to belabor the obvious, but at least its out there. Is the Boston Globe considered "mainstream" the way the Times is, or is it some fringe production? The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum. But if it came to that, I would very quietly remove as many troops from foreign soil as possible without arousing too much notice and set them to work, Tet-style, from sea to shining sea. I would shut NSA down and put the engineers to work on every building with all assets in place. I would do the same with CIA. You literally would have to kill all the higher ranking employees and destroy all the infrastructure with explosives and fire in one fell swoop in order to be effective. After that, all troops come home. All foreign bases closed and demolished prior to abandoning the sites - burned to the ground and into fly-ash. New policy: we mind our own business henceforth, but be ye sorely aware that any move by any foreign power will be met with strict non-equivocation. That would be aimed mainly at China and Russia. We can trade if it please you, but we will destroy you in toto if you make the least gesture to mess with us. After the 12 month adjustment period in the wake of the elimination of all social progreams, during which I am sure thousands of Americans would have to be killed due to rioting, martial law is lifted and we go on as a freer land... or so the theory goes.
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    03-27-2017, 05:28 AM
    That's the bit that buggers my brain. Jones is such a mixed bag. The man has (had?) the ears of so many people and IMO he blew it with spectacularity with his inconsistent behavior. I recall a time when he went all apey in an interview with that Piers Morgan über-phag. What he said was essentially correct, but his going off like a frothing idiot before the camera seemed too scripted... as if he and Über-Phag agreed to it before the cameras rolled. Even so, what does it say about the man if he has not the will or capacity to control himself before millions of people who were presumably and actually paying attention to what he was saying? It appeared almost deliberate an attempt at assassinating not so much himself, but his message; to destroy the credibility of the very idea of questioning orthodoxy. This mix of good and bad, credible and wild idiocy makes it damned nearly impossible to assess the man with precision and accuracy. As is often the case in such matters, the mere appearance of impropriety sets people on edge with respect to trust. How does one trust a man who at 8AM cuts the very picture of rational and honest composure while at 10, reduces himself to a ranting, spewing lunatic? Aside: who the hell is Bill Hicks? Yes, I am indeed that ill-informed. I have no idea who he is, why he looks so much like Jones, or why I should care. Any and all help is appreciated.
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    03-27-2017, 05:17 AM
    My wife gets news from work (United Airlines) frequently. Lately, there has been a rise in the number of child-trafficking intercepts by flight attendants. They are actually trained to recognize the telltales. Just a few days ago wifey showed me the latest story. Apparently the children are so terrified, they don't dare speak out, what with threats made against themselves and their families. Some are apparently drugged, as well. To think that this sort of shit goes on in the 21st century should not surprise me, and I suppose it doesn't. But it sure as hell makes me angry, and few things manage that with me. I adore children and have no stomach for this sort of thing. If this pizzagate shit is true, just imagine the piles of bodies they must have built over the years. What else could one do with them when finished? Send them home? Perhaps they are raised to adulthood to be later harvested for body parts? OK, I just freaked myself out.
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    03-27-2017, 05:11 AM
    What's the value here? Pink elephants COULD fly from my asshole, albeit small ones. Seriously, I found this a bit surprising. Have you any basis for thinking that he HAS? I ask because I see there as being far too much to lose for a guy like Trump. What's his payoff for doing such a thing? Is he that good an actor that he puts up such a front of filial decency while aiding and abetting the rape and likely murder of children? I suppose anything is possible in this world gone mad, but I still need to see a basis beyond "because we can" for such acts. Now, had you made the same assertion about Obama or Clinton, I could more readily accept it on face, but Trump does not readily fit that picture... which may be the real danger there. I don't know. Do you?
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    03-27-2017, 05:01 AM
    God how I dislike these shit-sarcasm headlines. They should be banned. BANNED I SAY!
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    03-27-2017, 04:55 AM
    You may be correct, but what if they were? How does one tell civilians from the rest? Is there a formula? Perhaps the drones have new Insta-Cog(tm) software? Is Trump throwing good money after bad? Or is he being faithful to the admittedly rotten commitment made by the "USA" in the region? After all, things were stable prior to our interference. Have we no obligation to right the wrongs we've made? Just asking questions, mind you. No implicit value judgments here. But there IS something educational in all this. Bush^1 and Clinton went in, each semi-erect. Bush^2 went in with a fair to raging erection. Obama can't get it up, as he is gay and making believe he is straight, but remained in any event. Now Trump appears to be doubling down on the old mistake. So now ask yourselves this: if presumably intelligent adults have not seen the light, then what is wrong with the picture? Twenty six years of unending war and nobody is pulling out? Something is verily amiss here. But what? Trump is not an idiot. Obama... not so sure, but lets give him the benefit of doubt. GWB: Hate him if you want (I certainly don't care for the man), but he's not quite an imbecile. Clinton may be scum, but he's smart scum. Bush^1 was no piker, either. So why, pray tell, have all these men kept us in this state of perpetual war for going on three decades?
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    03-27-2017, 04:43 AM
    https://alibertarianfuture.com/big-government/healthcare-obamacare/house-freedom-caucus-endorsed-rand-paul-obamacare-replacement-bill/ The House Freedom Caucus Just Endorsed Rand Paul’s Obamacare Replacement Bill Rand Paul was elected to the Senate as part of the Tea Party wave of 2010. Since then, the libertarian Republican has sponsored over five hundred bills or amendments and co-sponsored an additional five hundred. Unfortunately, bills to cut government proposed during Obama’s Presidency were almost universally shot down. In fact, only four were eventually signed by the President. That record is due to improve with a Republican President. Rand Paul’s Obamacare Replacement bill is emerging as the preeminent solution and just earned a major endorsement. The House Freedom Caucus, an influential group of conservative Republicans, just announced their support. While the House Liberty Caucus is the predominant group for libertarian Republicans, the House Freedom Caucus represents committed constitutionalists. It’s more than thirty members are lead by Mark Meadows of North Carolina. Although they are technically separate organizations, there is a near fifty percent overlap between the two caucuses. The Liberty Caucus, chaired by Justin Amash, also counts Congressmen Brat, Bridenstine, DeSantis, Duncan, Gosar, Griffith, Harris, Jordan, Labrador, Meadows, Poe, Posey, Sanford, Schweikert, and Yoho among their members. Nonetheless, the Freedom Caucus’ support for Rand Paul’s Obamacare replacement bill is still a huge step forward for the legislation.
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    03-26-2017, 07:37 PM
    A sound approach. If nobody can get even that much done, it would be very telling.
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    03-26-2017, 02:10 PM
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    I find this most disturbing.
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    03-26-2017, 02:06 PM
    Only in Empire cultures. The tribal anarchies of which I have read and seen documentaries were/are plenty free. But you have to be willing to run around in grass skirts and all that sort of thing. I'm good with it. Well, we have had 229 years of opportunities to murder Themme off. Hunt and kill then all, including their children. But no. We were too concerned with what color to get the new BMW. We threw fits over loaves of bread that went moldy after only 4 days, but did nothing as Theye crawled up our asses. We willfully turned our backs on the responsibilities we held to ourselves and our children to be well informed and highly intolerant of the intolerable, as Theye poisoned the minds of the young with their wild idiocies that taught them that everything is relative and that "it's all good". So then, here we are. Having fun yet? I see us at the brink of disaster and still so few of us so much as even speak out, much less act. The hideous future that stands before our grandchildren is not being forced upon anyone. We are buying it.
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    03-26-2017, 01:51 PM
    Plenty of unincorporated places here in WV. Those could be incorporated I suppose. No idea about the details of such a move, though, but I would assume you are, at the very least still under the thumb of the "state", if not the county as well. But if you bought, say, 50K acres and established a town there, replete with "government" and so forth, only to the agreed upon specifications of your 20K residents, I wonder how the bigger dogs would screw with you when they found out you have no public schools, police, property taxes, and so forth. If the property remains privately held in the names of all residents, to what lengths would Theye go to bring Galt's Gulch to heel?
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    03-26-2017, 01:46 PM
    In the past 20 years I've paid a grand total of $1500 and change in taxes. 100% within the law, which is why it pays to have a crackerjack accountant. Property tax, OTOH, is a bit of a bugger, but were we are on +/- 30 acres and pay something like $288/annum. While all taxation is robbery, given it will not go by the wayside any time soon, I can adapt to that level of thievery. Dunno, never been there, but it is a possibility. Have an old friend who lived up there when he was in the CG and he said the mean temperature was actually higher than NJ. No idea if that is the case.
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    03-26-2017, 09:59 AM
    Oh hell, having established family in CH, I could probably move there this afternoon if I wanted to. But it's in Europe and that's a real problem for me. I spent summers there as a child and really have no interest in living that lifestyle, not to mention that I am entirely too "American" for most Euros to tolerate. Were my grandma still alive at 116, I might reconsider. I really love my grandma. She was such a trip. I'd likely end up in a prison somewhere for farting without permission, or clearing my nose, or some such felonious act. Not being able to carry a gun everywhere I went is a wholesale deal-breaker for me. NFW. Forty six years of jujutsu and other MA training have demonstrated to me the grand virtues of the firearm as the "great equalizer" of men. It has also demonstrated to me many other features of humanity that further bolster those virtues, such as the essential unpredictability of populations, individuals, and the fact that we get old. I'm not old yet, but if I last long enough, I will become so. Even now I would not want to face a 20 year old kid, fist to fist. I might be able to get him locked up and break a few body parts to remind him of the proprieties between humans, or I might just get my ass handed to me. Therefore, if I cannot shoot the little darling, I am clearly in a land I do not want to find myself. Thanks, but no.
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I find it amazing to consider just how hopelessly corrupt a land we are, and have been for so very long a time when I read things like this. To think not only that some people would dare usurp the authority to remove those which are the most obvious prerogatives of free men, but also that we as a people would

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Uhm, no. Not all of us. Only most of the countries involved. We few radicals and rebels do what we can to prevent it. Whether that works or not still doesn't change whether it is our fault or not.
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