osan
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I was responding to the OP.

A couple of things. If the story is not vetted, why post it? This is the tactic of inB4, and it is used by scoundrels to establish first impressions that are endlessly difficult to supersede with truth. First-in tends to be the winner. We have all witnessed this countless times. Think of the endless list of reputations ruined by headlines declaring someone guilty of some heinous act, only to be later exonerated. Makes no matter - far too many will always associate the individual with guilt. This is the proclivity of the human brain. The only way to fight it is with a strong will, which most people do not possess because it is too much work. Mean humanity is mentally exhausted and people just don't want to invest the effort to be better men. "Oh fuck it" is the modern mantra, however tacit. Can't win, so why try? Why care? Next: do we not find the timing suspiciously convenient for a "left" that knows it will get its ass handed to it in November, all else equal? The coming election must be vigorously massaged or the Democrats are toast - or so it appears. They're going for the brass ring now, playing no games. They are drowning us in noise of every sort in order to disrupt the mind into some degree of impotence. And in the chaos of noise, election shenanigans become so much more difficult to detect. The left fears Trump's return to office in '24, though I'm not quire sure why. After all, his most crucial campaign promise was left wholly unfulfilled: draining the swamp. Trump may be a good wheeler-dealer, but he sucks at staffing a cabinet and assessing in whom he may safely vest his trust. OTOH, it might not even be his fault. Were it to prove that the corruption is so uttterly pervasive that there were no real choices, I would not be surprised. His only real move, anyone's only move if draining the swamp is a serious goal, would be to declare martial law, dissolve Congress, arrest the likes of Pelosi, McConnell, and Schumer, send them to Gitmo, hold drum-head trials, and execute the lot of them, preferably in one afternoon. But even that hail Mary move is rife and rotten with the worst hazards imaginable, which I doubt I need to list. But this is really the only option now. The people are de-balled by their own hands and the "government" cannot be trusted to tell us water is wet.

Now you whistle a different tune. Before you wrote that it was justifiable to defend people against poor treatment such as torture and morder. By your above statement, it would now seem you have expanded your envelope of justification. What's next, hurt feelings? Anyhow, this is going nowhere. I write "apples" and you choose to read "oranges". This is a vain pursuit, so let us call it a day. If this helps you, then you win.

Really? That's the line? What about false imprisonment? What about financial destruction and decades of penury? There are fates worse than death. My point here is that you have chosen a VERY narrow avenue, which in itself might be OK, were it not so wholly arbitrary and ignoring of other crimes that are easily the equals of those you cite. And then there are the eminently significant practical failings of that which you suggest. Consider human corruption. Consider how corrupt is Mexico- it is their stock in trade, pissing in the vats of Cerveza Corona and taking bribes, just to name two of many flavors. "Hey CHEEEEEECH.... We wan dat California back as part of MEH-hee-coe... How about we send in the army and take it on the pretext dat dee IRS is mean?" Get where I'm going with this? If humans have proven anything, it is that they cannot be trusted to the door where anything political is concerned. And now we're ultra-fucked because there now exists this combination of mass-stupidity and ignorance, coupled with military technologies that cannot be wielded by stupid people without endangering vast populations. Now extrapolate a little and see where that truth brings you. HINT: It ain't far. I do not disagree in principle, but once again the terrain of positive reality varies widely from the map of normative ideals. People are now so wholly head-fucked on the average, how can they be trusted? Were China to send in five million troops, do you think for a minute those soldiers would ever leave? HINT #2: They would not.

Not surprising. And what of national sovereignty? You seem to be tap dancing precariously at the edges of a globalist world view. That is not necessarily bad, but that evaluation turns on the totality of the "globalist" reality of which we speak. The standard for the planet today doesn't cut muster in even the least measure. Actually, it sounds like you might be.

In a better world, that would have been a correct question to ask. In this world, however, it is a vain pursuit because the empty-headed animal is just clever enough to vomit for an response that you think says one thing, when upon closer scrutiny we see that it might mean any of several other things, including nothing at all.

What's stopping you?

So if in the coming 20 years, 30 million Americans (hopefully all progressives) move to Mexico permanently, we would be justified in sending in our troops if the MX "government" were to start treating them poorly, using the same justification of protecting our own? Motives, which speaks directly to intentions, count for nothing at all. Imagine I were to kidnap you because in my mind I knew you were possessed of demonic entities. Would it be OK because of my good intentions, as I set flame to the pyre upon which the stake to which you are bound is mounted? Ukraine is Ukraine, not Russia. The moment a Russian leaves Russia to live in Ukraine, he becomes subject of Ukrainian power. It may not be right; it may be the shittiest deal on the planet, but it is the way things are. The Russians have not been particularly kind to Ukrainians, either - so where do they get off, guilty as they have been in the fatal starvation of six million Ukrainians? What's good for the goose...

Not sick. Evil. The condition of sickness is used to excuse. That of evil is not so easily set to such gymnastics. Who has done this? As for peace, we must be real about such matters: the dead rest peacefully because they are dead. The peace sought by family is not really that of the dead, but of themselves. The peace is that of closure for the living, cold comfort that it may be.

****WARNING: LONG AND POINTLESS RAIL AHEAD. BAIL NOW IF YOU LOVE YOURSELF EVEN A LITTLE**** What does this presentation demonstrate most of all, and in glaring terms? That we are all painted into a corner. If "we"† give in, the Rapacious Russian gets his way and paves a fine and very broad path for more action that looks a little too suspiciously like a reconstitution of the Soviet Onion. There will be grand parades with much masturbating as Soviet eyes stare dreamily into the distant horizons of the blue future of glory returning. If Russia gives up, they are through as a "super power" for at least the foreseeable future, and they become a laughing stock. This is the lesser of the evils, if viewed objectively, but Russians will not be rational about it because... well, Russians - or more broadly stated, humans. We are an eminently irrational species, not as matters of capacity, but of will - which is why have been teetering on the brink of self-extinction for the better part of 100 years. And let us face it, chances of dousing the light are better than fair at this point, given everything to which we are subjecting ourselves... like war in Ukraine, my son is really my daughter, and so on. This circumstance has reduced the general situation to one of a zero-sum. Imagine the utter stupidity of these people, and I mean every last stinking one of them. Those around Putin should shoot him in the head and draw down from Ukraine because Russia as no valid business there, despite the idiot Putin's claims that he's on a mission of mercy. Bull. Shit.