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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 01:47 PM
    That's a bad analogy. A better analogy would be if 100 people came into your store, 99 people bought things and one person stole something, did everything from your store just get stolen?
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 01:46 PM
    I'm saying they were probably 95%+ responsible.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 01:45 PM
    If you paid attention to my previous post, I debunked what you just said, twice now, this is the third time.. Slavery didn't enrich white people, it held everybody back - the industrial revolution would have started much sooner if slavery had ended sooner, so there is no wealth that white people have because of slavery, in fact, white people have LESS wealth because of the government institution of slavery.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 01:42 PM
    Uh, let's start with the fact that no, I did not make that argument. I said that is what the narrative is. Try to pay attention...
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 01:41 PM
    What a crock of shit, how does what they did help ANYBODY?? Or anything? It doesn't. At all.. In fact all it does is take Cosby's positive messages about family values and drags them through the mud... at this point it would have been better if they just stayed silent.. Now, if they had come forward when it actually happened, preferably with some sort of evidence, then they could have stopped it from happening to other women. Ok, fine, nobody tries to justify the priest molesting kids by saying he is helping people too... but what purpose does this serve so long after the fact?
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 01:40 PM
    Trump was all over the map. He said that Obama pulled out of Iraq too early. How is that "non-interventionist?" He flip flopped continually during the campaign. And Rand has been better already than how he campaigned. During his first campaign he endorsed testimony from torture.
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 01:36 PM
    What? Let me get this straight. You actually believe that a group that has been stolen from has the right to steal from other people who were not born when the stealing took place? That is your argument? Seriously? Okay I get it now. You are not as intelligent as I thought. You just really lack any kind of libertarian intellectual rigor. Let me help you out. Socialism is simply impractical. Look at the Soviet Union itself. The Russians had indeed been oppressed and stolen from by the czars. People shouldn't be able to take from others simply because they were born with a noble title and have an army to back them up. That doesn't make what happened in the Russian revolution good. If you lack the brains to understand that then please educate yourself before you try any further to advocate for libertarian causes Dannno. I never said it did help any white people today. That said, there are people living today who have generational wealth derived from slavery, so your point is another lie. To say it didn't help any white people today is to pretend that generational old money wealth that traces back to slavery doesn't exist. Now it doesn't help most white people today and it didn't help most white people when it existed and it was never designed to help them.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:59 PM
    No, no, no.. you can't make the narrative "white people stole from black people, but the answer is not for black people to steal from white people". That is not a very convincing argument, even if it is correct. But as I've said, the premises are wrong and we have to get back to discussing them. Slavery happened, it helped some white slave owners alive 200 years ago, it did NOT help any white people alive today. White people abolished slavery, white people went around the world and helped to end slavery. Black people enslaved black people, Muslims enslaved black people for tens of thousands of years it was a common institution and white people helped end all that (although it still exists today, not in any white countries..).. and another thing.. they don't have a lot of black people living in Iraq.. why? Because they castrated all their black slaves. But hey, leftist culture says Muslims are great people and we need to bring millions of them here, and white people are evil racists. Don't you see a huge problem with this?? Black people aren't oppressed by white people, they are oppressed by the government. White people are oppressed by the government, to an even greater degree, through taxation. This tax money goes to black people on welfare. White people are slaves to black people. This is the third time I've said that, how can you POSSIBLY claim that I have ignored the issue of "present day oppression" when I've now repeated it three times without it being addressed?
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 12:59 PM
    I agree.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:47 PM
    Why are you analyzing his tweets? I haven't even seen his twitter feed. There are a couple of relevant tweets, but that's about it. We are analyzing his thoughts on racial issues in the US which he has expressed in speeches in his concerts, youtube/periscope videos, his thoughts on Candance Owens, how the left is reacting to Kanye supporting Trump and telling people the fake news media is keeping them in the matrix or whatever.. If all you did was read his tweet about Candace Owens, but then you didn't go and listen to media interviews with Candance Owens and learn about what she discusses then you are not talking about what we are discussing in this thread, you are simply talking about pop-culture. We are actually discussing important issues related to race relations and black oppression and such.
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 12:46 PM
    I didn't say it wasn't on topic. I said it had nothing to do with my point. And it didn't. Slavery did happen. There was an effect. Resources were stolen. And there is ongoing oppression. That said, socialism is not the answer. What you seem to lack the intelligence to understand is that you can focus on helping yourself without pretending what happened to you somehow didn't happen. If you were molested as a child, spending all of your time being mad at your molester doesn't fix your problems. But neither does pretending the molestation didn't happen or that somehow the molester is a "victim too" because his life sucked after being put on the abuse registry. Yep, slavery hurt white people too. Your point? Ron Paul is capable of reaching black people because, once he finally distanced himself from the assholes who wrote his newsletters, he was actually able to talk about real problems in the black community, acknowledge that systematic racial government oppression still exits, then ask the question "Do you really think more government will fix the problem" where the answer to that is obviously no.
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  • fisharmor's Avatar
    Today, 12:41 PM
    Well, my opinion of Italy just went up substantially.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:38 PM
    But that has nothing to do with anything we are discussing here. We are never going to have a bunch of clones fighting for liberty who all have the same theological beliefs.. What is Kanye saying about race relations and racial issues? How does this relate to the current political climate?
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:33 PM
    The most effective way to bring a movement down is to promote ineffective leaders :cool: Rand, being HIGHLY effective, the most effective leader we have had, is the opposite. It's not easy when your movement has 1 person out of 100 in the Senate. He is doing fantastic.. and he got POTUS on Sec of State to promise to bring the troops home soon. Will they? I dunno. But if they don't, then they probably won't have Rand's cooperation in the future when they promise him something again. We are playing the long-game here.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:30 PM
    Everything I have said is specifically on topic.. We are talking about Kanye. Kanye claims that black people need to stop focusing on racism and blaming white people for their problems and focus on themselves. The current narrative is that black people are only impoverished because of slavery, white people stealing resources from Africa and black oppression - and that white people profit from all of these things and that is why white people are rich and black people are poor. You responded that a portion of the narrative was correct. I said that a portion of the narrative being correct does not make the entire narrative correct nor the conclusion, and I challenged you on what you believed to be true (re: resources, slavery, oppression) and went in depth regarding how black oppression and slavery does not particularly benefit white people in the present day and how harvesting resources on legitimately acquired land is a free market activity - and how white people are currently enslaved and oppressed by the government arguably worse than black people through taxation (which is slavery). I suggest you go back and read the post in detail because there is a lot more there, but would you argue that black slaves put in more time as slaves for the 200+ years of black slavery we had in the US, or do you think that white people have put in more time as slaves paying welfare for black people in the 50+ years we have had welfare? I don't know the answer, but I'm curious what your opinion might be.
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 12:26 PM
    ^This. This is soft power. This is what all of the people who gave Rand a blank check to sound as teocon as possible when he first ran for Senate are really signing up for even if they didn't understand it! Rand wasn't going to run for senate sounding like Ted Cruz and then get there and become a clone of Ron Paul. Sheesh! I still contend he could have won without got so deep into teocon territory, but what's done is done. Either the strategy will pay off long term, or it won't. I expect that by 2020 when Trump is running for re-election we will still have troops in Afghanistan and Syria. I suspect Rand won't primary Trump. I suspect we'll still have troops in Libya and Syria in 2024. What happens after that, God only knows.
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 12:19 PM
    Yes you did lie and you are still doing it. I copied and pasted part of what I said that you ignored. And I responded to your bullshit argument by pointing out that THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING I WAS SAYING! The fact that slavery affects whites and black does NOT have anything to do with my argument. And again, you did not at all respond to my fact list that I put in about current oppression. Here it goes again liar. And you will snip it out again because that's just what you do. We shall see if the black Somali immigrant officer who killed the blonde haired, blue eyed white woman from Australia gets off. He might. He's got the same "I was afraid" excuse. And in this case his partner was also afraid. And yes, there have been other whites murdered by police. Kelly Thomas comes immediately to mind. The teenager on his way home from the church basketball game also comes to mind. And the homeless guy that got shot on video for no apparent reason. However that doesn't take away from the racist origins of the police force. As Tony Brown used to say "Blacks are the canary in the coal mind. Whites should pay attention. What happens to blacks will ultimately happen to them." I have lived to see that with the mostly black crack epidemic morphing into the mostly white meth epidemic and now the mostly white opioid crisis. More and more whites are being abused by police. Abortion was originally aimed at blacks and its affecting the white community now. The pit you dig for someone else you often fall into it yourself. And that's not even all that I wrote that you did not respond to.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:15 PM
    No you didn't, I went into great detail discussing what happened to Africa's resources, how slavery in the past affects both whites and blacks today and about who is really enslaved today and who is oppressed and you responded to NONE of that. Zero. All you did was say that when I discussed taking resources from Africa that I also meant slaves, which I didn't at all. I was talking about resources, not people. I talked about people later on, and you never responded to that either. I would appreciate a response to what I said if you are going to repeat the talking points I already responded to and then ask me to respond to them again..
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 12:13 PM
    You are an absolute liar. I responded to everything you said. You snipped out 90% of what I said. Anyone with half a brain who looks at the posts quotes will see that. I don't mind people disagreeing but I can't stand lies. Here is an example of something you did not respond to. We shall see if the black Somali immigrant officer who killed the blonde haired, blue eyed white woman from Australia gets off. He might. He's got the same "I was afraid" excuse. And in this case his partner was also afraid. And yes, there have been other whites murdered by police. Kelly Thomas comes immediately to mind. The teenager on his way home from the church basketball game also comes to mind. And the homeless guy that got shot on video for no apparent reason. However that doesn't take away from the racist origins of the police force. As Tony Brown used to say "Blacks are the canary in the coal mind. Whites should pay attention. What happens to blacks will ultimately happen to them." I have lived to see that with the mostly black crack epidemic morphing into the mostly white meth epidemic and now the mostly white opioid crisis. More and more whites are being abused by police. Abortion was originally aimed at blacks and its affecting the white community now. The pit you dig for someone else you often fall into it yourself.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:12 PM
    :rolleyes: You can tell who is here for the sole purpose of trying to bring down the liberty movement. Rand just got Trump and Pompeo to admit there is no military solution in Afghanistan and Syria and got a promise from them that they plan on bringing the troops home soon, so let's attack him!!! I mean, how transparent can you be?
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:07 PM
    Which SUV has the highest towing capacity :confused:
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  • pcosmar's Avatar
    Today, 12:02 PM
    Any surprise the "INVESTIGATION" took 40 years?
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 12:01 PM
    Um, ok, but I responded to all of that already and you have yet to respond to what I said. I'm not going to repeat it, you will have to go back up and read it.
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 11:34 AM
    Would you rather they be women and children who would more likely need a handout and be eligible for DACA or to have anchor babies?
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 11:33 AM
    It's funny how you claim to not be disagreeing with what you are disagreeing with. Again: Except....resources were stolen from Africa...labor was stolen through slavery....and oppression is still going on. Resources, human and otherwise, were stolen from Africa. Anytime you take something without paying for it and it's not a gift, that's theft. That taxation is also theft is non sequitur to the point. Labor was stolen through slavery. That's not even debatable. And oppression is still going on. Hence my quoting Ron Paul.
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  • jmdrake's Avatar
    Today, 11:28 AM
    You did not at all respond anything I said about police brutality. One of the "resources" was human. And you can't go into someone else's country, take millions of their people off in chains, and then say you were just "harvesting" the gold, ivory, copper etc. I tell you what. Let some people break into your house, kidnap you at gunpoint, and then say "We just harvested all of his electronic equipment." Another lie. I responded to your idiocy about slavery. I said it was a straw man argument as I have long said that ending slavery was good for the south. \
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