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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 04:03 PM
    Case death rate.. death rate based on the number of known cases. That just means there are a lot more unknown cases that are not severe or asymptomatic. Even the New England Journal of Medicine recently published an article saying that I was right, and it is most likely closer to the death rate of the seasonal flu, or maybe a particularly bad flu. 0.1% or so. The good news is new deaths were down almost 20% yesterday, and new cases were down about 30% or so yesterday.
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    Today, 03:58 PM
    Private insurance available for everybody is not universal healthcare.
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    Today, 03:56 PM
    Thousands of Doctors: Yes, Hydroxychloroquine Works Against Wuhan Coronavirus https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=&bcid=5372ce04eea400f4f9b55d0a12ac4325&recip=19271176
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 03:51 PM
    Still doing it today..
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  • Theocrat's Avatar
    Today, 11:40 AM
    Thanks for the video! Rep. Massie is on fire! :fire:
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Today, 10:29 AM
    Trump says it about 100 times a day during his press conferences trying to get doctors to prescribe it, and the mainstream media is still putting out garbage about how its an unproven treatment not approved for use with this brand new virus...
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  • Theocrat's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:54 PM
    Red herrings don't dismiss the fact that your views of "monetary intervention" are helpless in resolving the present decreases in economic growth.
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  • Theocrat's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:49 PM
    It's mystical-thinking to believe that the CARES Act is going to deliver us from a greater depression than the previous one. You can't give more power to the federal government (and by extension, the Federal Reserve) and expect positive results from their pumping more Dollars into an economy that isn't producing anything. Seriously, Krugminator2, why are you here?
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:37 PM
    It will not be a significant number. The characteristics are getting more solidly indentifiable. History, physical exam, imaging studies and labs are extremely reliable in suggesting who has the disease without confirmatory testing. Will many be counted that actually had another similar looking process? Sure, but overall, I don’t think it will be that much of a significant factor. I could be wrong. Hopefully they do postmortem testing to get more accurate results.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:31 PM
    It certainly doesn’t look to have the same mortality rate compared to the flu when looking at the numbers coming out of Western Europe and the US. Until we get more testing done (and importantly serological testing to see who has had it and didn’t know it which is still an unknown though I think a small relative number), it is just speculation. What we do know is that this is a true and vicious pandemic, serious and deadly, and because it is novel and there is no herd immunity, it will continue to spread and cause lots of death. Even if it’s final mortality rate is close to the flu at 0.1% (which I think is very much on the lower end because of its fast spread and overcoming of the health care system because of it being novel), if everyone gets it, that is 350,000 people dead. I don’t think that it will get that high but only because I think many states are getting better prepared and new treatment strategies are coming out every week.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:28 PM
    The CDC ordered them to report them all as COVID-19 deaths. So the deaths will be inflated until they can be corrected.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:25 PM
    I had someone fact check me on this so I went straight to the order from the CDC. They say that without a test, if it is assumed to be COVID-19 related report it as such, and they will follow up later when test results are available and correct the data at that time.
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    Yesterday, 03:13 PM
    Lol, no the case mortality rate.. apples to apples.. I've heard case mortality rates from the flu as high as 10% and that 1 in 161 people who get the flu get tested, which puts you at about a 0.1% fatality rate. The case mortality rate for Covid-19 is about 1-2%, I'm guessing the overall mortality rate is closer to the flu. But I thought you might have different numbers on the case mortality rate for the flu, I think it might be higher than Covid-19 but I can see with the current situation why more people would want to get tested for Covid-19 compared to the flu. You can go into the doctor and have the flu and just get drugs and never get tested. On the other hand, until recently it has been difficult to get tested, so it is really hard to say what the actual numbers are for this, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence it is that much worse than the flu. The people who get it bad may get it worse, and the contagion rate appears to be higher, but the overall mortality rate doesn't appear to be significantly higher..
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:04 PM
    That is true, which is why they modeled that without mitigation, if it does have such a mortality rate, upwards to 2 million Americans could die. Time will tell after more data what the true rate is. But with so many unknowns, it is better to assume the worst and then scale back as needed. We may find out it’s rate averaged out is closer to a bad flu, but in hotspots with overrun medical care, that number could be relatively higher.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:57 PM
    And that is for a very serious flu. Our last flu pandemic in 2009 (swine flu) had a mortality rate of 0.02% So this could go up to 100 x increase in mortality rate if it ends up at 2%
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:45 PM
    No. Seasonal flu mortality rate is about 0.1%
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:44 PM
    Isn't the seasonal flu 1-2% case fatality rate?
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:41 PM
    But they are giving him tools in the budget to improve Americans lives in other ways and tools to take out the deep state. He wouldn't be getting those if he just fought for a balanced budget. Then the economy would correct and he would lose the election to some deep state tool. You have to remove the deep state from power first, otherwise anything he does is worthless. How is he not going to be President much longer?? I just posted his poll numbers are going up. He is going to win in a landslide. If he took your advice and died on the hill of balanced budgets, he would surely lose. Which is why it is so great that Trump is President and you aren't. Your plan leaves libertarians as a footnote in history, a defeated ideology by the fake news mainstream media.
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    Yesterday, 02:37 PM
    Two emails I received from MoveOn.org today: First email calls for a national lock-down: Second email basically tells everybody that since the public has been watching Trump's press conferences and his handling of the coronavirus situation, his poll numbers are going up - it is infuriating to them and they can't figure out why!! I can tell them why, they haven't been doing what other Americans are doing and watching the press conferences to figure out their head is filled with bullshit.. not unlike the bullshit Warlord's head is filled with, he just isn't a socialist:
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:36 PM
    It’s all speculation at this time until broad surveillance serological studies are performed to see who has antibodies. But I won’t be surprised if it is 1-2% case fatality rate which is very high for a highly contagious respiratory illness. Again, ultimately the case fatality rate also depends on medical services available. In a perfect system with endless resources, the rate would be lower than during a severe pandemic.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:33 PM
    One of the factors that determine how sick you get is the initial viral load you receive. For example, if you touch a contaminated service and then touch your mouth, you may receive a smaller initial load of virus. By the time this multiplies to become a formidable army and overtake your immune system, you have a chance to build antibodies and fight it off. However, if someone who is teaming with virus coughs in your face or you sit close to someone for a while who is breathing/coughing, you canít get exposed to a large viral load initially. Because of that, this army grows very quickly and can overtake your immune system before you can develop antibodies. Most of the very sick young front line patients are because they were exposed to a large viral load all at once (intubating someone, getting coughed on, etc). Other factors also weigh in (ones baseline immune status/co morbidities/genetics etc), but it seems one of the greatest factors is how high of an initial viral load you are exposed to.
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    Yesterday, 02:29 PM
    Trump can't balance the budget, congress does that. But that isn't the goal right now. The goal is to take out the deep state so that we can get back control over our government and do things like balance the budget. As far as being a leader and getting us through this crisis, he is doing a fantastic job. So many people want him to lock-down the whole country. He keeps saying it is the governor's job, they are doing fine, and it isn't Constitutional anyway. You have no idea how lucky you are to have Trump as President from a liberty perspective. The problem is you listen to too much nonsense on twitter.
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  • dannno's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:24 PM
    Not everybody "gets worse", some people don't end up getting very sick at all. Especially young people with certain genetics.
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    Yesterday, 02:23 PM
    Thank you for confirming. This helps us confirm that the true fatality rate is much lower than 1%, it is probably in the 0.08% - 0.4% range, with the seasonal flu being 0.1%
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    Yesterday, 02:21 PM
    Right, so you admit the people with certain genetics and low viral loads, most of them are NOT getting tested. The limited testing tends to be prioritized for people with bad symptoms. But the people without bad symptoms still got the virus. So is it fair to create a fatality rate without including them? Of course not. That is all I'm saying. That is what everything I have said comes down to.
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    Yesterday, 02:18 PM
    If I had to pick one person in the entire world to get us through this situation right now as President, I would pick Trump. The press conferences have been informative and entertaining. He has been nailing the fake news to the wall. He is a showman, a great leader and cares just as much about our country and the people of this world than anybody. That is what a lot of the country and the world is finding out by tuning into these press conferences. And you are wasting your time on twitter.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:17 PM
    I can tell you that the numbers infected in the US is significantly higher than what is being recorded due to the lack of testing up until recently. Even now, we are not testing patients suspected with mild symptoms, as the tests are limited and the treatment up until now has been the same. I would guess half the patients I see and I suspect don’t get tested because they do not fit criteria. As we get more tests, this should change and then we can get more accurate data.
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    Yesterday, 02:14 PM
    Ok, what about Rand Paul? As far as I know he is asymptomatic. From what I've heard, young people especially under 20 are largely asymptomatic or have extremely mild symptoms. Most younger people are still having extremely mild symptoms. That is both here and in China. Even if asymptomatic doesn't exist, mild symptoms for young people still exist, and a lot of them aren't getting tested. Additionally, testing has not been available for everyone until very recently, so that is another barrier to getting everybody who has it tested. If you were smart enough to realize that what you are trying to convince me is that nearly 100% of the people with covid-19 get tested and test positive, then you wouldn't be trying to make the argument you are making.
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