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    Yesterday, 04:22 PM
    Most of these are essentially "there is gravity, hence the earth is flat."
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    Yesterday, 03:55 PM
    A lot of the lighter vehicles also happen to be the fuel efficient ones. It's a lot better than tracking people around. Incidentally, if people are going to nitpick about wear and tear on the roads, then the elephant in the room is that they'd have to track me to see which roads I'm on. If I spend a great deal of time on dirt roads or roads that will need very little/no upkeep to be funded by my fuel tax, I'm still taxed the same under all of the proposed systems.
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    Yesterday, 03:51 PM
    "I love fat boys/men"?
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    Yesterday, 03:29 PM
    Burrito Lives Matter. Now they're teaching their young how to destroy young burrito lives.
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    Yesterday, 02:49 PM
    Hell, look at how BLM hijacked this thread, for instance...
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  • MelissaWV's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:40 PM
    People who are disabled are discriminated against. All-stop. If you want to advocate for the disabled, then address the root causes of that discrimination. BLM states on their website that black disabled people are more likely to be discriminated against, so they're focused on that. That's not addressing the root cause. People don't ignore the disabled because they're black. LGBT people are discriminated against. All-stop. Whether one thinks, from a moral perspective, that the discrimination should exist is a separate matter. BLM states that black LGBT people are more likely to be discriminated against, so they're focused on that. That's not addressing the root cause. People don't dislike homosexuals based on skin color. So, no, I'm not hurt about being "excluded" but I do think it hurts the effectiveness of a group to protest loudly and pretend to stand for something they're really not. You were the one who said earlier in the thread that BLM was there to address issues of police brutality, etc.. I pointed out that it's not the case per their own website. "Black Lives Matter" is interjecting race into situations where race isn't the underlying problem. You'll find, for instance, that even taking white drug-related incarceration rates, there's a massive disparity between how someone cooking meth in a trailer and some society girl forging prescriptions for medication is treated. You could even go so far as to make them look alike, be the same age, come from two-parent homes, etc., and you will have the same issue. Take a quick browse through crimes against LGBT motivated by sexual orientation, and you will see an awful lot of the victims are not black. Not "a few" or "the exception," but many.
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  • Theocrat's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:11 AM
    I believe in the decentralization of power, which is a Biblical principle, first derived in Genesis with the formation of the tribes of Israel (I don't have time to delve deeply into that, but it can be proven). So, to answer your question, I would advocate a system that is similar to what we had in our early republic, where local, state, and county governments are formed by Christians from various denominations to assess how crimes should be punished within their respective jurisdictions. So, for example, if a Presbyterian is living in a county full of Roman Catholics, and those Catholics have laws which he believes do not square with Biblical justice, then he can find another county where there are mostly Presbyterians and from there, they can work together to apply God's Law based on their Biblical convictions. That's what we had in the earlier days of America, with entire states being composed of one Christian denomination from another state of a different Christian denomination. It's one of the reasons why the First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," because their definition of "religion" was related to Christian denominations, understanding that each state was by and large composed of a particular Christian denomination.
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    Yesterday, 08:51 AM
    Because if you want to have a just society, then there needs to be an absolute standard for determining what is just and unjust behavior. Once you have established that, then you can deal with how unjust behavior ought to be punished. Why is that? Because God desires holiness from His creatures, not just internally but also externally, which is why God expects us to put away evil from society as it emerges. And, of course, evil is defined by God's Word, not majority opinion nor by current trends of acceptable behavior.
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    Yesterday, 08:45 AM
    If you're a Christian, then you should already know how one determines what governments God has ordained. That's why we have disciplines such as Biblical and systematic theology to delve into the subject on what the Bible teaches about the nature of government. But it is a topic that can be ascertained, and it is one that no other worldview (secular humanism, Islam, etc.) can account for.
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    Yesterday, 08:24 AM
    No, it doesn't make me an anarchist; it just means that I hold to the view that God rules society, and therefore, He is the One Who delegates authority (those who minister to others) and sets their jurisdictions within a civilized society. That's why an elite subset of society should never manipulate the rest by force. All people should be self-governed by God's Law before they take any position of authority within God-ordained governments (family, church, and state) to ensure that an elite group do not take over society by their own whims. When that happens (as it is currently in American civics), then it is a good indication that people in positions of authority are not self-governing themselves in God's Law.
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    Yesterday, 08:09 AM
    Precisely. The gas tax also encourages --- without being an utter asshole about it --- people to consider fuel efficiency when purchasing a vehicle. The consideration may amount to "fuck it; I am getting a muscle car" but it's still in the back of our minds. We went from a small SUV and a Cadillac to two Civics at one point, and the difference was substantial enough to make it a huge consideration going forward.
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    Yesterday, 01:22 AM
    The only way we can answer the question, "Should X be criminalized," is by, first, answering, "What does God say about X?" The two questions go together, when we are discussing what sexual sins should receive civil sanctions. But, of course, it takes wisdom to understand how to apply those sanctions in our modern world, and that can be challenging at times, I admit. But, nonetheless, it still needs to be considered when we're assessing public policy and its relation to sexual taboos. Another thing to keep in mind is that the page marked "New Testament" in our Bibles is not inspired by God. That fact is very important because when we are talking about continuities and discontinuities between the Old and New Covenants, we need to realize that the Old Testament laws still applied when the New Testament was being written. Thus, the authors' approach to how Old Testament laws would apply to them in their own day would not have been riddled with many of the assumptions that we face today in modern Christianity (with ideas such as the "Two-Kingdoms Approach," "Law vs. Gospel" dichotomies, Dispensationalism, and other concepts which inherently but inadvertently pit the Old Testament against the New Testament). Unfortunately, you, yourself, are guilty of those very approaches to the New Testament, which is why you fail at understanding how the Old Testament applies to us today. Remember, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16). If sexual acts were condemned with civil penalties in the Old Covenant, then those penalties apply civilly, in some way, in the New Covenant. Otherwise, you would have to say that God made a mistake when He decreed those sexual acts as punishable by civil law under the Old Covenant. But, once again, it takes wisdom to understand how they apply today because the world has changed since the times of the Old Covenant. But the moral indictment against certain sexual behaviors does not change because moral laws are eternal, by nature.
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    Yesterday, 12:48 AM
    Ronin, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about in relation to Paul's theology. It's funny how you consider yourself more educated about the relationship between Jesus and Paul when world-renown Biblical scholars, such as N.T. Wright, have been applauded for their research and writings about Paul's life and theology. If you have any serious, objective interest in how Paul's theology was consistent with Christ's doctrines, then I recommend that you watch this lecture from one of the best Pauline scholars in the world, and learn something:
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    06-25-2016, 09:20 PM
    What "uncontrolled systems" are you referring to, fisharmor?
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    06-25-2016, 09:16 PM
    Exactly, erowe1. That's all Ronin Truth does. He can't give a definitive, comprehensive rebuttal to anything in which he disagrees with. All he knows how to do is copy and paste links. That's why his credibility, especially in these kinds of discussions, is always suspect because of his laziness and ignorant flippancy of facts that he has no intention of researching. He seriously needs to leave these forums and stick to playing Solitaire online or something.
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  • MelissaWV's Avatar
    06-25-2016, 09:01 PM
    lol Well I have signage up. That's probably the best note on which to bow out and say g'night. :)
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  • MelissaWV's Avatar
    06-25-2016, 08:47 PM
    You can look up "Snakes at Disney" and go through the photos and videos, btw, and realize that's only a matter of time since people are idiots. When that happens, there will be calls for more signs since Disney definitely knows about them, too. Apparently there HAVE been attacks. Where are you guys on this? CBR = Caribbean Beach Resort
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    06-25-2016, 08:41 PM
    A toddler wading at the shore at night where there is a steep drop-off is not the same as you walking with one foot on the beach. "Not so with an alligator" is inaccurate. It's highly unusual for alligators to randomly be aggressive and lunge at you on shore with no cover, unless they're hand-fed, which we've already covered over and over again. The video you posted says the same thing. Yes, I'm aware gators can jump and climb --- and do so regardless of signage. I'm the one that posted the video of one climbing a fence, and it's usually safe to assume you'd need an 8+ foot fence designed not to be climbable to keep out critters in this general category (including the aforementioned snakes and turtles). A stone barrier would be preferable, honestly, as I mentioned before. Look! There IS a sign warning of gators! But not snakes... even though it's way more likely you'd be fending off a water moccasin in that area. Disney's ahead of them on that front. Neither of them seem to care about turtles or fire ants. Frankly, it's amazing any of us are alive.
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    06-25-2016, 08:10 PM
    Shut yo mouth!
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    06-25-2016, 08:09 PM
    Actually now I am wondering why the new shore doesn't have the steep drop-off mentioned. They seemed to think warning about the drop-off would keep people out of the water and hence out of the jaws of alligators (or giant snakes, which is still perplexing), but that didn't work. Now they have signs about gators and snakes, but what if someone doesn't realize there's a shelf there and falls into suddenly deep water?
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    06-25-2016, 08:01 PM
    You're right. Someone should have put up a sign. Want to take a guess as to where this sign is? So my hypothetical, which you seem so interested in discounting, isn't really a hypothetical. This sign was up, and parents ignored it and their toddler was wading right near a steep drop-off. While engaged in what was already an action that endangered their child, another danger came up and snatched him away, likely aided by the deep water. That doesn't make it the parents' fault (maybe they were ready to swoop in if the child lost his footing, and felt they were prepared to guard against the drop-off danger), but for some reason no one seems to be pointing out these signs were there. This is actually a missing piece for me. The story of the body being found yards from shore didn't make sense, but it does now. It's much deeper there, right off shore.
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    06-25-2016, 07:33 PM
    That was what I was asking. You're really on a name-calling binge tonight, btw. I pointed out that hold harmless agreements don't work the way you're saying they do when there are other factors which tip the scales and make it no longer a natural hazard, but you glossed over that. If I say there are alligators in a lake, there's an assumption they are natural alligators, and not hand-fed alligators, and definitely there's an assumption that there's not a huge area under my control where alligators are being allowed to breed and come over to that lake. If those last two things are happening, though, no sign is going to cover me; I've created an unnatural hazard. I could paste several boring paragraphs of case law, but something tells me you will just roll your eyes, stomp your foot, and admit you didn't read it anyhow.
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    06-25-2016, 07:09 PM
    Oh. Okay. So Disney having a sign up that there were alligators would have been sufficient to protect them, even if they had an entire area where they were allowing alligators to breed and get into the lagoon, and knowledge of people feeding them. The sign constitutes equal knowledge and implies that the alligators are hand-fed, park-bred, and unafraid of people. I notice you didn't cite anything new, especially pertaining to the "steep drop-off" part of my question.
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    06-25-2016, 06:31 PM
    Right, but it's not just about corruption in the police department. Their own site goes on to talk about, essentially, how discrimination is MORE discrimination-y when you're black. LGBT? Well it's important to BLM... if you're black. Discrimination against the disabled? It's important... if you're black. The study you linked to is not particularly helpful, btw. It's a reasonably small sample size in a fairly localized geographic area. It doesn't really mention where in Florida the officers are from, which does make a difference. I am also suspicious of a study that goes through the trouble to tell us the racial and gender makeup of the original 50 officers used for the study, then doesn't tell us which two were not included in the final findings during their Method paragraph. Even something as simple as whether or not the officer was right- or left-handed would have a bearing on the study, but it's not mentioned.
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    06-25-2016, 06:07 PM
    I'm more familiar with hold harmless clauses and agreements than I'd like to be, by the way, and they're generally negated in courts of law when there's an even slightly substantiated claim of negligence. In your ski example, if I sign my life away and then someone from the resort left something out on the course and I was injured on my way down, the resort does not get to claim that I signed away my right to sue. They can try, but it won't be particularly effective and it tends to turn those hearing the case against the resort. With your assertion that a sign covers Disney, because it makes the person aware, you're also saying that's the end of the story. If Disney keeps this sign and that fantastic rope fence, but also keeps the alligator breeding ground nearby intact and doesn't work to demolish it, and they also continue to allow rich patrons to feed the alligators from the bungalows just down the shore, then they are actively creating a hazard above and beyond what's natural. The sign is not going to cover that. The sign is also not going to help if a non-English speaker is injured. The sign is not going to help if someone goes just past the edge (the fence ends rather oddly right now, with a sign, but beyond that sign there is more alligator-friendly coast). It's not going to help, btw, in my example of someone finding a snake away from the beach and claiming inadequate or misleading warnings; Disney will find itself liable there, too. So no, a sign doesn't automatically mean the person can be assumed to be fully aware of the risk, and it doesn't render the person putting up the sign automatically safe from litigation or criminal charges.
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    06-25-2016, 04:23 PM
    Said it more than a dozen posts ago. I mentioned the snakes because Disney is acknowledging there are snakes... and the sign clearly implies I won't get bitten if I stay away from the water. This is akin to how people are arguing the sign said "no swimming" but did not mention wading. It's a distinction that can and will be exploited legally and civilly. You didn't actually address the concern about the sign. Disney knows there are snakes, but their signage is misleading. Hell, the alligator signage is misleading. The threat you are perceiving and labeling as assault simply isn't. If an alligator is hissing at you then the fear that it's also interested in eating you is all in your head. It's likely a mother telling you to get away from her nest. They're going to need a LOT more signs, then, and so will most people who live anywhere there's even a bit of wildlife. As for the pertaining case law, it's evolving on the matter of golf courses and the like. None of those "inviting beaches" along lakes I posted have any signs warning of wildlife. I didn't notice any signs regarding lightning during my last few trips to park, even though it injures more people than alligators at Florida parks (and there is nothing quite as reliable as lightning in Florida in the summer).
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    06-25-2016, 03:30 PM
    The part you're missing. I understand that some of you are under the impression that an alligator even hissing at your child is an attack, but it's not. If two alligators were "chasing" a child with the intent to actually grab it, either that man needs to be in the Olympics or the alligators were engaged in posturing rather than attacking. Or the child was all the way in the water, which you did not mention? That would slow the father down even further. Gators don't generally chase down prey on land, and they tire of trying to sprint. Humans don't run too quickly in water, where the alligators would have easily caught up to the child if they were racing towards it. The "pet alligator" comment has been mentioned in this thread already... by me. Hand-feeding alligators does make them liable, as does creating a safe breeding ground for alligators in the old water park. I'm not sure why you're trying to make an argument that a "stay away from the water" sign with alligators and snakes mentioned is enough. If I am walking through a garden area at that resort, and a snake bites me, can I argue that I stayed away from the water and still got bitten? Obviously Disney knows there are snakes, and their sign made me think the snakes were only near the water. Do you see why I say that the signs don't magically remove all liability? The same goes for startling a sunning alligator (on land and not necessarily near the water). I'm not near the water. Disney can say they warned me all they want, but the sign would be very insufficient. It would also not be enough if I lost a few fingers to an alligator snapping turtle. I've seen gators at Sea World, too, btw. I also have seen sharks in the ocean, scorpions in the desert, bear prints in the woods, and gang members in Baltimore. If I'd been harmed by any of the aforementioned, I would hope my family wasn't awful enough to sue. It wouldn't be my fault for getting harmed, but it also would not be everyone else's fault for not putting a sign up to warn me.
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    06-25-2016, 11:56 AM
    Christians have provided evidence that Paul affirmed the doctrines of Christ. It's just that people like yourself refuse to accept the evidence.
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    06-25-2016, 11:53 AM
    The claims that Jesus was an anarchist and that Paul was a statist are simply anachronisms. As such, they make both of your assertions moot points, so there's no need to argue with you about the merits of your claims.
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    06-25-2016, 10:55 AM
    Pro tip: He very likely would not have seen an alligator in dim light (night or twilight) regardless of how well-lit the dock was, but there you go. Signs, lighting, and constant armed patrols. I think that about covers it so far.
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